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Alright, on the one hand this is humorous. On other other hand, is this not a profane (sacred vs profane)treatment of a holy, consecrated person, the Pope, and of our most holy possession as a Catholic people, the Mass?
After decades of Jack Benny, Johnny Carson, Jay Leno and the like, we Americans have a highly developed comedic sense, but there is a limit is there not?
Several months ago in a homily a priest here in Portland wondered if perhaps miracles are more rare and less spectacular in our time partly because of our light treatment of holy things. I know the familar, modern American response, “O come on!” but God is not an American. Our ways are not His ways, nor our thoughts His thoughts.
If my priest friend was right, and I think he is, we do have a problem because this sort of humor is pandemic throughout our monasteries, seminaries, rectories and convents.
Of course, we should laugh at ourselves, but using sacred persons and things to get a laugh is quite a different matter. Of course, we should be joyful, but sacrilege is not a fruit of the spirit.
There are (mostly) wonderful blogs that have this sort of humor day after day, but what precedent is there for this sort of thing in the lives of the saints or the history of the Church? It is an American phenomenon.
Trying to assemble a book of this kind of humor from the lives of the saints and the Fathers would be a very hard slog, indeed. Of course, there are many wry expressions in St. Jerome, at least one in St. Augustine, and one from St Theresa, one or two from Pope John XXIII that I can think of. There is Thomas More going up the scaffold. There is St. Philip Neri, but his humor was in an entirely different vein.
Well, okay, refute me by regaling me with jokes from the saints that make use of holy things in this fashion. You can’t. And that suggests that if we wish to be saints we should avoid this kind of thing like the plague. MHO
And a dead silence fell upon them all.
Awesome. But turn on spell-check! (Someone fix “liturgist” at the bottom right.)
If my priest friend was right, and I think he is, we do have a problem because this sort of humor is pandemic throughout our monasteries, seminaries, rectories and convents.
Of course, we should laugh at ourselves, but using sacred persons and things to get a laugh is quite a different matter. Of course, we should be joyful, but sacrilege is not a fruit of the spirit.
Comment by lmgilbert
I disagree completely. The humor above is NOT making fun of the sacred but rather of those who are disrespectful of sacred things.
It is an American phenomenon.
Comment by lmgilbert
Incorrect. I suggest you read the very Catholic Geoffrey Chaucer (14th century).
In a more contemporary vein, when I was in Italy I saw a TV movie with Robert Benigni. One of the characters he played was satiring a a “relevant” priest. It was very, very funny.
And then there’s the local priest, whose uplifted arms sway from the left to the right when he says so that from east to west a perfect offering may be made . . .
Should be: One of the characters he played was satirizing a “relevant” priest. It was very, very funny.
Imgilbert, I agree with you completely. I believe that we should not make our religion or sacred persons the subject of humor, caricature or satire. This really is a matter of life or death. The world does enough to try to bring the Church down to its level.
I have seen this kind of thing routinely on American Papist and Whispers in the Loggia. I think it may have its origin in a certain type of humor that one encounters in seminaries.
It stinks, frankly.
wolfeken, it seems to me that “Litrurgist” is actually the perfect word for that pitch. :-)
people who cannot laugh at themselves are pretty sad, dour folks, like the Calvinists. Tom
Cute but rather than laughing made me more wistful. I would turn in my New Car if we could get an orthodox priest in our parish.
I can laugh at myself.
I will not laugh at the Holy Father.
If we make fun of ourselves, others will make more fun of us. If we are irreverent to the Holy Father, others will be more irreverent. I personally do find this funny, but inadvisable. Where is the line? It is a matter of personal taste, which is why I think we should generally keep this sort of profane humor well clear of our Catholic identity.
I’ve always found that if I make fun of myself, then I’ve already beaten everyone else to the punch.
In this case, I think the Pope would be laughing right along with us.
LOL!
Imgilbert, I agree with you completely. I believe that we should not make our religion or sacred persons the subject of humor, caricature or satire. This really is a matter of life or death.
It stinks, frankly.
Comment by Timothy Mulligan
Matters of life and death are the best situations for humor because they lighten a heavy load.
“God save us from sour-faced saints.” – St. Teresa of Avila
Many have died defending the dignity of the Holy Father. It’s not something to treat lightly. Here’s a little reminder: http://www.tyburnconvent.org.uk/home/index.html. [You are becoming tiring.]
*Matters of life and death are the best situations for humor because they lighten a heavy load.*
Exactly. Yes, the ridiculous looking men in the picture are consecrated to GOD. Wow, that’s incredible. Just look at the power of GOD to turn such laughable critters into dispensers of sanctifying grace. It’s perhaps the biggest joke there is – but the punch line is our very salvation. I hope the long-haired clergyman gets it all out of his system!
Dearest priests, God LOVES you. You are reminders of Christ Crucified.
Whoever cropped this photo forgot to crop out the wedding ring on the left hand! The men whose Bride is Holy Church always have their wedding ring on their *right* hand.
I don’t find this humor to be disrespectful at all. As the old saying goes, “if you don’t laugh once in a while, you are going to cry, cry, cry (seeing the lamentable state of affairs for the Church).”
The distinctive mark of Catholic dissidents is their lack of humor.
It is clearly NOT mocking the person of His Holiness, Pope Benedict, nor the papacy.
Questions : Would the pope laugh at it ? Does the pope have a sense of humour ?
– I think so.
He laughs a lot which surprised me as he is German
I think it’s funny, not irreverent!
But then, that’s me….
I don’t think this is irreverent at all. For a start, it’s laughing at hippy-dippy dissenters, not the Holy Father.
I also disagree with lmgilbert when he/she says that this sort of thing is “an American phenomenon”. I come from Australia, and, to my mind, if anything, there is a somewhat dour, puritanical and calvinistic streak in parts of the American church. It must come from living amongst all those Mayflower puritans and sour-faced prots. You’ve picked up some of their worst character traits… Only an American Catholic (as opposed to an Irish, Polishk, or Italian Catholic could get sooooo offended by this.
In this country, a large proportion of our early congregations were Irish. So my protestant relatives think of priests as boisterous, drinkers, gamblers, and jokesters who can hold their own in a bar-room brawl…
Obviously, I was wrong about the American phenomenon. Chaucer is not one of the saints or fathers of the Church I was referring to.
To me it is very simple. Both the Church and Scripture teach that holy persons and things should be handled in a reverential manner. Isn’t that practically the very definition of holiness? Persons and things set apart. Isn’t the office of the papacy holy? Isn’t Pope Benedict consecrated to the Lord?
Is the above treatment of the Pope and the Mass reverential? Is it a sacred or a profane treatment? It is profane treatment, as if he were not set apart, holy, consecrated.
It is irrelevant whether it is funny.
It is irrelevant whether the pope would find it funny.
It is irrelevant that it is not malicious.
It is serious matter.
I don’t mean to be a wet blanket, but…wait, YES I DO! This kind of stuff has got to stop. We are cutting the ground out from under our own prayers.
What would be the logic of that? IF this is sacrilegious in the eyes of God, and I believe it is (our modern sensibilities to the contrary notwithstanding) then we are not in conformity with the will of God and therefore our prayers will not be heard. In fact, we may be setting ourselves up for chastisements of various sorts. Vocations crisis, anyone? Scandal? Obviously, I am not referring merely to this one incident, but to this entire vein of humor.
In seminaries and monasteries it kills devotion, and leads by degrees to more irrecverent treatment, as I heard a priest once refer to his archbishop sneeringly as “Supershepherd.”
“He who contemnth small things shall fall little by little.”
And we have fallen a long, long way. This kind of humor was part of our fall.
Does this only partain to priest or can bishop’s be turned in too?
good point ssoldie, I know not a few people who’d like to trade in the south coast mafia :)
lmgilbert,
Chaucer is not one of the saints
Neither are you.
nor fathers of the Church I was referring to.
The Fathers produced formal works.
I readily recognize that this type of humor doesn’t appeal to everyone. But I think it’s a bit pretentious (as well as priggish) [good word] for someone to pose as a spiritual guru warning those who think this is funny.
BTW, the problem in monasteries and seminaries is not humor like this, which implicitly promotes Catholic doctrine and Latin liturgy and makes fun of liberalism. The problem is that the liberals are making fun of Catholic doctrine and