Some stuff from my mail

These came to my mail. A little levity in a serious matter.

And, in language the left can understand…

Twitter provides more grist.

This from Beans..

Dear Beans, this isn’t hard.

How much damage?  Ridiculous question.

As far as “what happened to the ‘ontological’ change in priests who wound up being criminal pervs… nothing happened to it.  It’s a indelible change, a change in the soul of the man who received orders.  The criminal perv priest remains forever a priest.  He will be so in this life and in the next, whether in Heaven or in Hell.  For the priests out there who are reading this: consider the addition pains of Hell for a priest.

All Christians have an ontological change to their souls at baptism and, again, at confirmation.  These sacraments impart a character to a soul that is indelible, permanent, lasting even beyond death.  They cannot be repeated.  Priesthood does the same thing to the soul of the man who receives it.  Priesthood cannot be lost.  However, the Church can forbid a man from exercising his ordained priesthood.

In any event, this guy had a good response had a good response to Bean’s interminable agitprop.

Now for some journalistic brilliance from ultra-liberal David Gibson.

First, that’s just nasty.

Second, Sarah did nothing of the sort.  Sarah cannot and did not try to “invalidate” the ordinations of married Catholic priests.   To return to the ontological, indelible point, above, once a man is ordained, he is forever a priest.  For-eh-vur.

By the way, people who are married also have an ontological bond with each other.  That bond ends with the death of one of the spouses.   The bond is not merely juridical or moral/ethical.  This is a reason why a man can’t marry a man and a man or woman cannot be married to more than one person at a time.

Meanwhile, it seems that – incredibly – Francis had another chat with inveterate Communist and anti-Catholic publisher of La Repubblica Eugenio Scalfari.

It’s mostly blah blah.   At the beginning, however, Scalfari, who famously says he doesn’t take notes or recordings, who says that Francis says rather fantastic things, gives his own version of the events surrounding BOOKGATE.  Scalfari says that Francis has just brushed this off as no big deal.  He does, however, paint Sarah in a bad light.  Yawn.

Also, in La Verità there is a message from Archbp. Viganò: Padre George ha isolato il Pontefice emerito.

Viganò says that Gänswein throttled the information given to Benedict.  Of course that’s what executive secretaries do.  He recounts that Card. Harvey, former head of the Apostolic Household, told him that Benedict once pointed at Gänswein and called him “Gestapo”.   It’s all a bit strange.

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11 Responses to Some stuff from my mail

  1. ex seaxe says:

    ” That bond ends with the death of one of the spouses.” – The Orthodox Churches, I believe, teach that the marriage bond does NOT end at death. Thus if the remaining spouse wishes to marry again this, as I understand it, is not a normal sacramental marriage even though the church may permit it after a due penance. The discipline is the same for an abandoned spouse, though not the penance which in the latter case involves exclusion from Communion for years.

  2. Tara Tremuit says:

    The Orthodox Churches get a lot of things wrong, not least of which is the rejection of the gift of priestly celibacy, but also the above bizarre teaching on marriage and the whole penance-for-communion practice for abandoned spouses. It is wearisome in the extreme that the Orthodox compromises and errors should be used as a cudgel against the perennial practice of The Roman Church. The Roman Church is the last bastion. If we reject this gift of priestly celibacy and til death do us part Matrimony, may God help us.
    And furthermore, how about somebody go in and #Free Pope Benedict, or at least get him caretakers who will give him respect and better care, and maybe comb his hair before the cameras roll in. Someone has pointed out that Francis doesn’t keep anybody around unless they are 100% in for his agenda. So why is Ganswein still around? If it’s his word vs. Cd. Sarah’s I’m with Cd. Sarah.

  3. Benedict Joseph says:

    Faggioli’s Twitter avatar — garbed in a tux. A picture is worth a thousand words.

    [Sorry… I don’t get why that’s significant. What’s wrong with a tux? Which thousand words does it mean?]

  4. chantgirl says:

    The biggest piece of news here is that Francis went back to Scalfari for another interview, after the last several Scalfari interviews attributed some pretty incredible heretical ideas to Francis.

    Francis has not publicly corrected any of the strange ideas that Scalfari has attributed to him. I can only conclude that Francis is the heretic that Scalfari paints him to be, that Francis likes causing confusion, or that Francis has dementia.

    I can only pray that Christ awakens before Francis scuttles the ship.

  5. chantgirl says:

    Ok, real question here:

    Marriage is for life and the Church cannot allow someone who is truly married to marry another. Ordination is for ETERNITY and yet somehow priests are allow to be laicized and receive permission to marry. How in the world is the bond between man and woman, which only lasts for a lifetime, unable to be broken, but the bond between priest and the Church can be broken?

    [You have answered your own question.]

  6. Gab says:

    It’s quite astonishing seeing the pandemonium break out over a book written by two faithful prelates of the Catholic Church. They’ve done nothing other than explain the discipline of priestly celibacy, which is faithful to Apostolic Tradition and the coherent development of the Church’s understanding both of the priesthood and of human sexuality.

  7. JonPatrick says:

    I think of the Church right now being like a B-17 bomber in a ww2 story I’m reading now, after heavy flak and attacks from German fighters it has 2 engines out, half the stabilizer shot away, all its guns jammed, leaking hydraulic fluid but somehow miraculously the plane keeps flying and they make it home.

  8. Suburbanbanshee says:

    Apparently Scalfari does this junk to everyone he interviews. The reason people let him do it is that it conveys that one is simpatico with the Italian left and its leaders.

    So yeah, it is stupid to let him interview you. Especially if you’re the Pope. Nobody is going to think you are cool for sucking up to the left.

  9. robtbrown says:

    Massimo Faggioli says,

    Someone still has to explain what happened to the “ontological change” conferred by priestly ordination in the case of abusive priests.

    The above indicates–not to any surprise–that MF has no clue of Sacramental Theology.

  10. robtbrown says:

    David Gibson writes,

    +Sarah: “The priest’s capacity for spousal love is entirely given to and reserved for the Church. The logic of the priesthood excludes any ‘other spouse’ than the Church.”

    Future Pius XIII just invalidated ordinations of thousands of married Catholic priests.

    Gibson make Minimo Faggioli seem theologically competent . . . well, not quite.

  11. chantgirl says:

    Thanks for the answer, Fr. Z. That’s what I figured. It’s not a comforting answer, but the truth is rarely comfortable these days.