As we wait for the next shoe to drop – something from the Congregation for Religious – there is this official news from the FSSP
Your support is important. Thanks in advance.
To donate monthly via Continue To Give use your phone's camera to activate the Q code or text 4827563 to 715-803-4772 (US) for a link.
For Zelle and Chase, etc., use
frz AT wdtprs DOT com.About this blog…
“This blog is like a fusion of the Baroque ‘salon’ with its well-tuned harpsichord around which polite society gathered for entertainment and edification and, on the other hand, a Wild West “saloon” with its out-of-tune piano and swinging doors, where everyone has a gun and something to say. Nevertheless, we try to point our discussions back to what it is to be Catholic in this increasingly difficult age, to love God, and how to get to heaven.” – Fr. Z
Coat of Arms by D Burkart
ABORTION PILL RESCUE NETWORK
Everyone, work to get this into your parish bulletins and diocesan papers.
Polls
Loading ...
Donate using VENMO
GREAT BEER from Traditional Benedictine Monks in Italy
CLICK and say your daily offerings!
A Daily Prayer for Priests
Do you have a faithful Catholic website that needs competent and reliable tech support?
NEW OPPORTUNITY – 10% off with code: FATHERZ10
Fr. Z’s VOICEMAIL
Nota bene: I do not answer these numbers or this Skype address. You won't get me "live". I check for messages regularly.
WDTPRS
020 8133 4535
651-447-6265YOUR RECENT COMMENTS
on ASK FATHER: Are there still “partial indulgences”? Notes on indulgences in general.: “Imrahil, 1. Great handle. 2. Thank you very much for that explanation. Copied, pasted, and printed for my use.”
on ASK FATHER: Does “for all” instead of “for many” make the Mass invalid? Should I receive Communion if I doubt validity?: ““Just one of the many advantages of Mass in Latin is that it keeps the ad libbing to a minimum.”…”
on Happy 17th Birthday to the Blog!: “Happy Anniversary! I think I’ve been reading this almost as long as it’s been here. You are on my prayer…”
on Happy 17th Birthday to the Blog!: “Gosh I think I’ve been reading your blog 17 years! As a convert at 50 I have depended on you…”
on Happy 17th Birthday to the Blog!: “You have done well raising this 17 year old Father Z. You have given him a lot of knowledge, a…”
on Happy 17th Birthday to the Blog!: “Happy 17th Birthday to Fr Z’s Blog! And many more! On this day, I’d just like to thank you for…”
on NOVENA for the Immaculate Conception (8 Dec): Day 9 – FINAL: “Thank you so much for providing this novena!”
on The Federalist’s reaction to the “Hell’s Bible” hit piece against TLM-going Catholics: “I read the NYT piece on the TLM. Normally, the NYT does deserve the title of Hell’s Bible. [Ummm… ]…”
on ASK FATHER: Are there still “partial indulgences”? Notes on indulgences in general.: “I once asked a wise and knowledgeable old priest (he died well into his 80’s over a decade ago), the…”
on ADVENTCAzT 2022: 11 – Wednesday 2nd Week of Advent: Candid and fearless: “12 years of parochial education never elucidated the 4 Latin Drs. I am considering the other 3 may be St.…”
on ASK FATHER: Are there still “partial indulgences”? Notes on indulgences in general.: “Mind you, it might not have been prudent _then_ and it might not be prudent _now_ to grant things like…”
This REALLY helps! And it’s great coffee (and tea)
I use this when I travel both in these USA and abroad. Very useful. Fast enough for Zoom. I connect my DMR (ham radio) through it. If you use my link, they give me more data. A GREAT back up.
This blog has to earn its keep!
PLEASE subscribe via PayPal if it is useful.
That way I have steady income I can plan on, and you wind up regularly on my list of benefactors for whom I pray and for whom I periodically say Holy Mass.
In view of the rapidly changing challenges I now face, I would like to add more $10/month subscribers. Will you please help?
For a one time donation...
Be a “Zed-Head”!
CHALLENGE COINS!
My "challenge coin" for my 25th anniversary of ordination in 2016.
Want one? I do exchanges with military and LEOs, etc.
PLEASE RESPOND. Pretty pleeeease?
Loading ...This is really useful when travelling… and also when you aren’t and you need backup internet NOW! I use this for my DMR “Zednet” hotspot when I’m mobile. It’s a ham radio thing.
If you travel internationally, this is a super useful gizmo for your mobile internet data. I use one. If you get one through my link, I get data rewards.
WDTPRS POLL
Loading ...Fr. Z’s stuff is everywhere
Help support Fr. Z’s Gospel of Life work at no cost to you. Do you need a Real Estate Agent? Calling these people is the FIRST thing you should do!
They find you a pro-life agent in your area who commits to giving a portion of the fee to a pro-life group!
GREAT causes to support
Help Monks in Wyoming (coffee – UPDATED LINK) and Norcia (beer) and the wonderful "Soap Sisters" of Summit, NJ!
Please follow me on Twitter!
Hmmm. Maybe. But it’s hard not to be suspicious. It’s hard not to feel that the Pope is OK with the FSSP for now, as long as they don’t become too popular. And it’s hard not feel that this might well just be a case of “keeping your ‘enemies’ closer”.
Could we also assume that this would apply to ICKSP parishes as well?
I have no good will or benefits of doubts left for Pope Francis. When he says that the gesture of fidelity to the papacy should be “preserved, protected and encouraged” I hear “you better toe the damn line exactly or punishment will be swift.” When he assures them that the current abomination of a Motu Propio does not effect them, I hear “because I’m gonna handle you people in a completely separate manner.”
The next shoe, er… “papal slipper” seems to be a decree from Franciscus whereby he condescend to grant the FSSP, by his benign authority, the privilege of faculties to use that which they already possess by virtue of particular law and established custom!
https://fssp.com/decree/
FSSP congregations have been praying and sacrificing intensely since July all over the world. We bless God for this. NOW we must decide how to defend diocesan priests who want to say the holy mass, and how to defend the rest of the smaller Ecclesia Dei communities. This is not even the end of the beginning yet.
Huge development!
This is very good news. I couldn’t help but notice that the Holy Father’s decree is dated 2/11/22 – the same day the FSSP completed their novena and consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Very magnanimous of him to “grant” them something that they’ve always had, but I guess, at this point, we should take the victories where we can get them.
OK but how does that work?
If they are allowed to use the old Pontificale, but they don’t have any of their own bishops, then… what? A loophole? Or another “you can, but only on paper…”
If they are allowed to use the old Pontificale, then it can’t be abrogated.
Sigh. I’m tired of these games.
I imagine that this is welcome news, but it also seems to reinforce in its own way the notion that the offering of the TLM is contingent upon receiving permission to do so. Or am I reading too much into this?
Pending further developments, of course, should we now advocate for a kind of “third order” affiliation with the FSSP, for the benefit of those of us diocesan clergy who are happy to provide the Mass and sacraments in the ancient form, yet face many of the faithful who want the Mass, especially, according to the 1970 Missal?
This development seems to present clergy and seminarians with a tough choice: either a path along which you may never be allowed to partake of the ancient forms, or a path along which that is all you may do. If I were a vocations director for a diocese, I would not want this landscape, because some number of otherwise desirable candidates would look at it and say, thanks but I’ll go FSSP.
I, for one, would be very interested in being a third-order member of the FSSP. I think many other diocesan priests would pursue it.
Another thought: does anyone at all think that the pope and other higher ups would refuse an FSSP cleric who said, may I occasionally celebrate Mass and sacraments in the contemporary forms?
In other words, if you want more options for the future, go FSSP (or a like institute).
In the linked unofficial English version of the Decree of 11 February, what is ther character of “except for the celebration of private Masses” (in the official Latin, “excepta Missae privatae celebratione”) – is that an innovation, and a restrictive one?
FSSP Reprieve – Deo gratias, a light in the Pachamama-darkness. Hopefully prog bishops will not expel them anyway. We faithful could worship in caves… or construct priest-hideouts in our homes.
I’m surprised he’s not wearing his signature grumpypants look, being in the unfortunate presence of rigid trads and all.
Not wanting to verge into conspiracy territory here, but am I the only one who thinks the picture of the two priests with the pope looks kind of odd? Like, photoshopped even? The lighting is kind of strange. I had to look closely at it to figure out whether that was actually Pope Francis or one of those cardboard cutouts you see everywhere.
Dustin, I thought the same thing. The ‘image’ of the Holy Father looks like he’s 5 years younger. My impression.
Father fox, how does it work if a priest is affiliated with a group as a third order or oblate or a member of some other group? Can you fulfill your clerical obligations by saying the breviary of the group? Can you celebrate the rituals of the group or only those approved by the bishop?
Chrisc:
I don’t know that much about how third orders work, other than being a third order member associates you with that group’s spirituality and practices in a come-and-go sort of way. That’s why I spoke of a “kind of” third order arrrangement with the FSSP, so that diocesan priests could have some flexibility. If I gave the impression of being especially knowledgeable about third orders, I apologize. I’m not a third order anything, despite many invitations.
To add to the equation, on February 8 of this year, Pope Francis received Father Pagliarani, the Superior General of the SSPX in a private audience.
Hallelujah!
The FSSP says:
“Not being a religious order, we do not run a third order as such, but we could offer our faithful the support of a sodality….
Please note that the Confraternity is not for lay Catholics only. From the beginning, consecrated persons, either religious or clerics, have been expected to join as well.
https://fssp.com/confraternity-of-st-peter-letter-from-the-general-chaplain/
The sodality is the Confraternity of St. Peter.
Stay on that reservation now ye hear, and don’t even think about finding a new one.
I’m thinking that this may have been done for one reason only. What is the alternative? If right now today he throws a bunch of restrictions on the FSSP or shuts them down, there is as good chance that many of those priests will go right back to SSPX and he would rather not be the recruiting arm for them since then he loses all control. Now he can address the FSSP “issue” by creeping incrementalism. Every so often add another “minor” change or restriction with the threat of pulling this permission if they don’t.
FSSP is now controlled opposition and will start doing the Pope’s dirty work of undermining all other traditionalists.