Daily Rome Shot 1648: contradictions

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Meanwhile… these guys not only get a pass from the top, they get applause from the top. How does that work, exactly?

Interim, motus ad lusorem cum militibus albis pertinent. Scaccus mattus, scilicet mors regis, IV in motis veniat.

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8 Comments

  1. OKC Catholic Dad says:

    Re: Muslims buying Catholic Churches. Unfortunately this is not new. I remember reading about this happening in at least one (I’m assuming more) Diocese in the Northeast. Much of it under the auspices of needing cash to pay for abuse settlements as well as low Mass attendance. It saddens me deeply.

    I do wonder- presumably there is a way to de-consecrate a church? How would that work? Personally I’d rather they tear it down and sell the land then sell the sacred space itself to the Muslims but I forgot we’re supposed to be happy happy joy joy with them now.

  2. JonPatrick says:

    In Washington we have 500 souls in a church at this “alphabet soup mass”, 500 sinners (as we all are) in need of salvation and the Church instead of throwing them a life preserver, throws them an anchor. “You are fine just the way you are”. Whatever happened to the concept that the primary role of the Church was to save sinners?

  3. mickeyfitz says:

    After ten years our weekly TLM at St Gianna parish in the Camden New Jersey Diocese is being banned after June 28. Our TLM has been extremely well “integrated” in the parish, but it didn’t matter in the slightest to our new Bishop. All of our pleas for charity and mercy have been rebuffed without every actually engaging our concerns. Until ten years ago when our then new pastor brought the TLM to our parish I had no appreciation for the ancient liturgy even though it was the Mass of my childhood and I still have my John XXIII Missal from 1963 given to me by my parents on my Confirmation. I had no real memory of the TLM and to learn to understand it in the classes that our pastor gave before starting the TLM. I had no idea what I had been missing. Interestingly, there are very few people of my generation at the TLM they’ve largely made their peace with the Novus Ordo long ago. Rather, it is heavily attended by devout young families and sadly I suspect that’s a major reason for the hostility to the TLM. It’s now clear that the love of the TLM is not a matter of nostalgia by a pre-Vatican II generation which is dying off, but rather a hidden treasure being discovered anew and cherished by young people and that is exactly makes it so dangerous. Of course, sadly many times over the years the Church as an institution has disappointed me, but never before have I been so directly hurt and disillusioned.

  4. amenamen says:

    Necessity?

    Can. 932 §1. The eucharistic celebration is to be carried out in a sacred place unless in a particular case necessity requires otherwise; in such a case the celebration must be done in a decent place.

    We have a long history of dedicating sacred places for Mass.

    Granted, Mass may be celebrated outside of a sacred place, in a particular case, if necessity requires it. The pope celebrates some Masses in the piazza outside of St Peter’s, when the crowd is too large for the basilica. Catholic high school Masses may take place in a large auditorium. Chaplains may say Mass on a battefield.

    But it is hard to see how Mass can be forbidden to take place in a sacred place when one is avaiable. Why have Masses in a gym, next to an empty church?

    Do any canon lawyers see a problem with this?

  5. WVC says:

    @mickeyfitz – Prayers for you and your TLM community. This whole thing is insane, destructive, and evil. There is absolutely no justification for it, and there is absolutely no excuse for Pope Leo to have not addressed it. I have little comfort to offer you other than I promise you are not alone, you are not suffering alone, and that our collective suffering cries to Heaven. May God hear our cries and move the hearts of priests and bishops to fight for instead of against the Church and the faithful.

    @amenamen – Sadly, the Church of “obedience” uber alles has rendered such considerations moot. If the pope says, “X” then “X” must be adhered to dogmatically with no other considerations mattering. Not cannon law. Not Sacred Tradition. Not the teaching of previous popes. Not the spiritual good of the faithful. Not even the financial stability of the parish being impacted. Anyone who questions “X” is declared schismatic, and legion of well-intentioned but thoroughly unhelpful “conservative” Catholics and pope-splainers will expend hours of labor explaining why “X” – no matter how obviously wrong it might seem, is actually the bestest thing that the pope could possibly have commanded or at the very least a thing that must be obeyed in order to be considered Catholic.

    It’s a sad and pathetic state of affairs.

  6. revueltos67 says:

    White to move and mate in 4

    1. Qd4+ Re4 {forced}
    2. Qf2+ Kxg4 {or *A Ke5}
    3. Qg3+ Kf5 {or *C Kh5}
    4. Qg5# mate

    If *C
    3. Qg3+ Kh5
    4. Qg5# mate

    If *A
    2. Qf2+ Ke5
    3. Qc5+ Kf6 {or *B Kf4}
    4. Qg5# mate

    If *B
    3. Qc5+ Kf4
    4. Qg5# mate

  7. mickeyfitz says:

    What’s really so disappointing is that when it comes to the Traditional Latin Mass some bishops become so rigid and legalistic, rather than exhibiting charity and compassion for the people. I suspect that its because we’re considered the “wrong” people.

  8. hwriggles4 says:

    About sacred spaces, our current bishop and our last bishop began having the ordination Masses (priests and deacons) at some of the larger size parishes in our diocese. The Cathedral was running out of space for these events and a Church is a more appropriate place than a large hotel ballroom or a convention hall. These milestones need a sacred space.

    Also many parishes in my diocese within the last 20 years have built sanctuaries that look like a Church and others were remodeled to be a more sacred space. Some of this could not have taken place without generous donations from parishioners. I really don’t want to see our Churches returning to the “bank building”, “felt banners”, “hey Father X don’t make Mass longer than 45 minutes so we can get the boat to the lake” mentality.

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