ASK FATHER: Can I be godparent of the child of a Lutheran couple?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

My 2nd cousin who was raised catholic and is now a lutheran (along with his wife) are having a child in a few months. They have asked me to be a godparent of the child. As a catholic am I allowed to be a godparent?

Leaving aside the apostacy of your cousin, ordinarily a Catholic should not serve as the official godparent or baptismal sponsor at the baptism of a Lutheran child.

The Catholic understanding is that a godparent represents the ecclesial community in which the child is baptized and undertakes responsibility for helping form the child in that community’s faith.   Since Lutherans hold erroneous beliefs, etc., we can’t help raise the child in their ecclesial community.  It is an “ecclesial community” and not a “church” because they do not have have valid apostolic succession.

However, a Catholic may participate as a Christian witness to a Lutheran baptism, especially when there is a close family relationship or friendship, provided this is permitted by the Lutheran parish.

The Catholic must avoid making promises that would contradict the Catholic faith.

So, in short, official Lutheran godparent/sponsor: no. Witness or honorary “godparent” in a social sense: permissible, subject to the Lutheran congregation’s rules.

There is broader latitude with Eastern Orthodox baptisms because Catholic and Orthodox Churches recognize a closer sacramental and ecclesial relationship; the Ecumenical Directory expressly permits Catholics to serve as godparents in an Eastern Church under certain conditions.

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Day 3 & 4 Conference for Priests: St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology

The conference has been great. It is so pleasant to meet up with friends and also to meet young and older priests who have bene reading this blog, some for a very long time.

Mike Aquilina has written some 70 books.

Some of the facilities.  A chapel with the Blessed Sacrament.

Well… not so much this… this shows how many readings there are from Augustine in the Office of Readings compared to others.

Individual Mass chapel.  Others concelebrate.

Some bits of sanity are available.

Food is uniformly good, served buffet style.  There are usually a choice of different types of salad and different types of meat, fish or chicken.

The dining area.

After the conferences there is social time.   I wound up playing some chess.  Others had other games.

Next year… since there will be construction here, there will be fewer available spaces.

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FOR PRIESTS: Wherein, prompted by this conference, Fr. Z posts something for CONFESSION

I’m at the annual conference for priests held by the St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology. They have these three times a year. I’ve been going for year and wouldn’t miss it. There is great fraternity and the presentations, on a different topic each year, are of the highest quality. This year the focus is on the Psalms. I’ve a lot about the over structure of the Psalms in the last couple of days. The St. Paul Center very much changed my approach to Scripture.

One of the opportunities offered for the priests here is to go to confession. Believe it or not, some priests have a hard time getting to confession regularly for various reasons. Some of them have a lot on their plate and the next parish is a hike. Sometimes there are anonymity questions. This is a good opportunity.

With that in mind, here is something I haven’t posted for a while.  It’s from an old prayerbook for priests which I’ve had since before my ordination.  These old books are dense with wisdom.

Here are two prayers, in Latin and English, for priests, for before and after they make confession their own confession.

I’ve added accent marks.  In the translations I used an archaic style.  The content might seem a little flowery in our age of tweets and dumbed-down prose, but… there’s nothing wrong with that!  There are a couple tricky bits in the Latin, but I believe I’ve found the right solutions.

In this these troubling times, I suspect many priests, discerning the particular need and/or in good discipline, will seek to make their own confessions soon.  I hope these prayers could be of use.

ORATIO ANTE CONFESSIONEM SACRAMENTALEM

Súscipe Confessiónem meam, piísime ac clementíssime Dómine Iesu Christe, única spes salútis ánimae méae, et da mihi, óbsecro, contritiónem cordis, et lácrimas óculis meis, ut dé?eam diébus ac nóctibus omnes neglegéntias meas cum humilitáte et puritáte cordis.  Dómine, Deus meus, súscipe preces meas.  Salvátor mundi, Iesu bone, qui te crucis morti dedísti, ut peccatóres salvos fáceres, réspice me míserum peccatórem invocántem nomen tuum, et noli sic atténdere malum meum, ut obliviscáris bonum tuum; et si commísi unde me damnáre potes, tu non amisísti, unde salváre soles.  Parce ergo mihi, qui es Salvátor meus, et miserére peccatríci ánimae meae.  Solve víncula eius, sana vúlnera.  Emítte ígitur, piíssime Dómine, méritis puríssimae et immaculátae semper Víriginis Genitrícis tuae Maríae, et Sánctorum tuórum, lucem tuam, veritátem tuam in ánimam meam, quae omnes deféctus meos in veritáte mihi osténdat, quos confitéri me opórtet, atque iuvet et dóceat ipsos plene et contríto corde explicáre. Qui vivis et regnas Deus per ómnia saécula saeculórum.  Amen.

Accept my confession, O most merciful and most gentle Lord Jesus Christ, sole hope of the salvation of my soul, and grant to me, Thy priest, I beg, contrition of heart and tears for my eyes, that day and night I might beweep all my failures with humility and purity of heart.  O Lord, my God, accept my prayers.  Savior of the world, good Jesus, who gave Thyself to the death of the Cross so that Thou mightst make sinners to be saved, look upon me, a miserable sinner invoking Thy Name, and heed not my evil in such a way that Thou shouldst forget Thy goodness. And if I have committed that by which Thou canst condemn me, Thou hast not lost that by which Thou art accustomed to save me.  Spare me, therefore, Thou who art my Savior, and be merciful to my sinful soul.  Free its bonds, heal its wounds.  Hence, most merciful Lord, by the merits of Thy Mother, the most pure and immaculate ever-Virgin Mary, whom Thou didst entrust as a Mother especially to priests, and by the merits of Thy Saints, into my soul send forth Thy light, Thy truth which all my defects require, and assist and teach me to unfold them fully and with a contrite heart. Who livest and reignest, God, forever and ever. Amen.

ORATIO POST CONFESSIONEM

Sit tibi, Dómine, óbsecro, méritis beatae semper Vírginis Genetrícis tuae Maríae et ómnium Sanctórum, grata et accépta ista conféssio mea, et quidquid mihi défuit nunc, et de suf?ciéntia contritiónis, de puritáte et integritáte confessiónis, súppleat píetas et misericórdia tua et secúndum illam dignéris me habére plénius et perféctius absolútum in caelo. Qui vivis et regnas cum Deo Patre in unitáte Spíritus Sancti, Deus, per ómnia saécula saeculórum. Amen.

O Lord, I beseech Thee, by the merits of Thy Mother, the ever-Virgin Mary, and of all the saints, let this my confession to have been pleasing and acceptable to Thee, and whatsoever was now lacking in me and in the sufficiency of my contrition, and in the purity and completeness of my confession, may Thy mercy and compassion make whole and, thereafter, deign to hold me fully and perfectly absolved in Heaven.  Who livest and reignest with God the Father in the unity of the Holy Spirit, forever and ever.  Amen.

This post is intended for bishops and priests and perhaps seminarians, for now to ponder.

Mary, Queen of the Clergy.  Pray for your sons.

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Day 1 & 2 Conference for Priests: St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology

215 priests from 85 dioceses and 4 countries. Pretty good turn out.

Lots of familiar faces and old acquaintences. It’s great to be here an catch up.

 

John Bergsma is giving us the structure of the Book of Psalms and the trajectory of the five books of Psalms.

Dr. Owens burned about 4000 calories in his presentation on how Augustine reads psalms.  Over all a bit remedial for me after the Augustinianum, but still informative and engaging.

The danger zone.

The other zone… they work in tandem.

Receptions in the evening after Scott Hahn’s presentations.  I brought a chess set and some of the guys are engaging.  Fun.

 

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19th Anniversary of Summorum Pontificum – Thoughts on how this might end.

What a day that was. I was still at the “Sabine Farm”, like Horace away from Rome’s summer heat. The days were bright and full of hope. A friend stopped in to share a bottle of “The Widow”. What a day.All this madness will pass one way or another.

Today is the 19th anniversary of the release of Summorum Pontificum, the saintly Pope Benedict XVI’s “emancipation proclamation” for those who desired what they ought to have had all along: freedom to use the Church’s traditional Roman Rite.

That endured – although hampered by those who hate those who love Tradition – until it was shut down, again an act of hatred of those who love Tradition, under the cruel document Traditionis custodes and subsequent incoherent burpings of dyspeptic micromanagement from what is now called the “Dicastery”.

Traditionis custodes is to Summorum Pontificum what Plessy v Ferguson was to the Emancipation Proclamation.  If that trend holds, who shall issue the parallel to Brown v. Board?

They won’t win.  Too much is at stake.  Too many people are now involved with traditional sacred liturgical worship.  Too many people hardly involved in anything are dropping away.  Too much information is available on the internet.

The other day Card. Koch suggested that it was time to rescind TC.

So, it is going to end, someday.  I foresee different possibilities.

First, perhaps Pope Leo will give more than 15 minutes of personal attention to this issue which he, more than likely, knows little about. It wasn’t an issue in S. American, nor among the Augustinians to any extent. It is very complicated and it will take both desire and effort to get up to speed.  Therefore, he would do well to find a few “coaches” who could guide him through the theological questions the SSPX raises and through the canonical realities. Will he? I suspect most of his energy is directly toward things that the UN would be interested in. And “unity”.

Second, people will simply, in larger and larger numbers, ignore the cruelty and will take matters into their own hands without – NBwithout malice or any sense of separation or schism from legitimate authority legitimately exercised.  Home chapels and perhaps even purchased places, plenty of cancelled priests to help, lots of willing and happy hands, ready to build the ark and ready to turn it all back to normal when the storm ends.

Third, the chaos born of ignorance (like the ignorance about the Explanatory Note) will continue. Leo indicated to the French bishops that they should be generous (yeah… right). Meanwhile, in these USA bishops are being anything but generous with a new spate of repressions of the people who desire the ancient forms. Coincidently, they are the sort of Catholics you would think bishops would want to support and foster. It seems that bishops or their mandarins are not able to figure out what the Explanatory Note is and ISN’T, leading to bishops frightening and confusing their flocks.

Forth, do I think that, in the wake of 1July, a new Summorum Pontificum is in the offing? No. Nor will there by another Pontifical Commission.

Fifth, the Lord will return.

Sixth, in lieu of the Lord returning, there may be an extinction level cataclysmic event, such as a massive meteor that strikes the planet.

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Daily Rome Shot 1655: inconsistencies

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At The Roman Post there is a piece about about Roman’s use some free time during the day.  This pretty accurately describes certain moments of my daily routine.

Tra le abitudini più comuni ci sono:

    • Il caffè preso al bancone.
    • La passeggiata nel quartiere.
    • Una sosta al mercato rionale.
    • L’aperitivo dopo il lavoro.
    • Due chiacchiere con il barista o con i vicini.
    • Il passaggio nei negozi di fiducia.

A lesson in reading.

What the writer says the SSPX says: The Novus Ordo lacks “the True Sacrifice, the Real Presence, [&] the ministerial priesthood,”

What the SSPX piece says: The Novus Ordo “is not evil by positive profession of heresy. It is evil in lacking what Catholic dogma should profess: the True Sacrifice, the Real Presence, the ministerial priesthood”.

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. The writer says that the SSPX is saying something it doesn’t say. The SSPX is saying that the rites of the Novus Ordo do not clearly or adequately reflect the Church’s teaching about the Sacrifice, Presence, and priesthood. The writer says the SSPX says that the Novus lacks those things. That’s not the same thing.

Meanwhile,

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My View For Awhile: Westward

A priest friend and I are now about to zip across the Commonwealth to West Virginia and the annual conference for priests held by the St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology.  We hope for clement weather and safe byways.

I’ll experiment with updating via my phone along the way.  I did it the other day and it seems to have turned out well.

Meanwhile, I was sent some photos of some odd liturgical choices.   Here’s one.

UPDATE

Susquehanna

So far so good.

Hey… wait a minute!

Arriving at the resort where the meeting is taking place.

More later.

It was a pleasant drive.

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SSPX “Out The Door”… literally on Sunday, at their chapels

Each week when I post “Your Sunday Sermon Notes” I ask about news where you are and about developments, attendance.

In the wake of the SSPX consecrations and the Holy See’s sloppy draconian reaction, I thought it might be interesting to see what the result has been at SSPX chapels.  I am also, of course, interested in FSSP and, especially, diocesan chapels and churches.

First… Idaho

Brazil…

Barcelona…

Perhaps there will be more.

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Your Sunday Sermon Notes – 6th Sunday after Pentecost (N.O.: 14th Ordinary) 2026

Too many people today are without good, strong preaching, to the detriment of all. Share the good stuff.

Was there a GOOD point made in the sermon you heard at your Mass of obligation for this 6th Sunday after Pentecost in the Vetus Ordo (14th Ordinary Sunday in the Novus Ordo)?

Tell us about attendance especially for the Traditional Latin Mass.  I know there has been upheaval.

Any local changes or (hopefully good) news?

A taste of what I offered at 1 Peter 5 this week.  I wrote about the 2nd Sunday after Pentecost but related it to the great feasts nearby.

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St. Augustine, preaching on this Gospel in Sermon 95, compares expounding Scripture to breaking bread. In one English rendering: “What you eat, I eat; what you live on, I live on. We share a common larder in heaven.” The preacher does not own the bread. He breaks what he has received. Augustine’s startling verb eructare gives the image a jolt. Latin eructo means to belch or bring up. Scripture is to be received hungrily and then brought up again in praise. Just as cows chew their cud by throwing it back up again (rumination), when it comes to Scripture and the mysteries of faith, we, too, must ruminate. The heart chews the divine word, draws nourishment from it, and returns it to God. The Marian Introit gives the same image: “Eructavit cor meum verbum bonum: dico ego opera mea regi …My heart has brought forth a good word: I speak my works to the king” (Ps 44:2 Vulgate). The Blessed Virgin heard the angelic word, pondered (ruminated) it, carried it, and then burst forth in the Magnificat. She is the perfect ruminant of revelation. She receives the Word, guards the Word, bears the Word, and gives the Word. As we approach the Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel – anniversary of Traditionis custodes and the suppression of God’s people who desire traditional worship – we ask her mantle over those who are wounded by shepherds, over parishes deprived of their inheritance, over priests tempted to timidity, and over the faithful who must keep clean hearts in dirty times.

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Daily Rome Shot 1654: another jackass

There is an AP piece today which features my home parish in St. Paul.  HERE

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Meanwhile, the people who want the TLM must be deprived.

I’m sure he’s a great guy. Versus populum is such a gift to the People of God.

No matter where you stand on the whole blessing of the block thing…

This… along the way we hear about how everyone should be welcomed…

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