ASK FATHER: Can I marry my godfather’s daughter?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

Is it okay, if I marry my godfather’s daughter? We are not related by blood.

An excellent question.

St. Thomas Aquinas – whose feast it is today in the Vetus Ordo – wrote of spiritual affinity and the impediment it created in Question 56 of the supplement to the Summa Theologica.

The relationship between godparents and their godchildren is referred to as a relationship of “spiritual affinity.”

Spiritual affinity also occurs between the minister of baptism (who could be a lay person) and the one baptized. It is not the same as consanguinity (the relationship arising from sharing a bloodline) or simple affinity (the relationship that arises by way of marriage), but it is a relationship nonetheless.

In the Latin Church, until the 1983 Code took effect on 27 November 1983, spiritual affinity did create an impediment to marriage. Godparents could not marry their godchildren. A baptizer could not marry a baptizee.  However, the relationship of a confirmation sponsor to the confirmand is not the same as that of a godparent to godchild, so the impediment of spiritual affinity did not arise.

The Church understands the impediment of spiritual affinity to be ecclesiastical law, not divine law. Therefore, a dispensation from this impediment could be given, and the law could be changed.

In fact, the Church did change the law for the Western Church with the 1983 Code.  Spiritual affinity is no longer an impediment for Latin Catholics.

The Eastern Church, however, have retained it. Can 811 of the 1990 Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches states in paragraph 1, “From baptism there arises a spiritual relationship between a sponsor and the baptized person and the parents of the same that invalidated marriage.” Paragraph 2 explains that the relationship of spiritual affinity does not arise with the sponsor used in a conditional baptism. Thus, for Eastern Catholics the impediment exists not just between the baptized and his godparents, but also between the godparents and the parents of the one baptized.

The fact that spiritual affinity is no longer an impediment to marriage in the Latin Church does not mean that it should not be taken into consideration.

Not infrequently, when an unbaptized spouse wants to become Catholic, the Catholic spouse wants to serve as a sponsor. This is no longer prohibited, but that doesn’t mean it is a good idea.

The relationship between a godparent and a godchild is of a different category than between spouses.

Similarly, a confirmation sponsor has a different role than a spouse. There may be cases where this would be appropriate.

Since the Church no longer calls it an impediment in the Latin Church, people should be free to make these choices, but some caution should be taken.

So, in a nutshell, in the Latin Church godparents and godchildren can marry each other if they are Latins.  Eastern Catholics cannot marry a godparent/godchild.

With the relative of a godparent, there is no issue canonically (Eastern or Latin).

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Daily Rome Shot 436, etc. – new addition

I’m trying to provide some daily amusements in one post rather than pepper the blog with individual entries.

Today, I post about LENTLE, developed in India, Wordle for LENT. HERE

Today’s daily Mass fervorino: HERE

Buying or selling a home?  Use one of their realtors and some of the sale will go to prolife activity.

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Your Sunday Sermon Notes: 1st Sunday of Lent

Too many people today are without good, strong preaching, to the detriment of all. Share the good stuff.

Was there a GOOD point made in the sermon you heard at the Masses for the 1st Sunday of Lent?

Tell about attendance especially for the Traditional Latin Mass.  I hear that it is growing.  Of COURSE.

Any local changes or (hopefully good) news?

Those of you who regularly viewed my live-streamed daily Masses – with their fervorini – for over a year, you might drop me a line.

I have some written remarks about the TLM Mass for this Sunday – HERE

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Private: CQ CQ CQ: Ham Radio – #ZedNet reminder – 6 March ’22

Fellow hams, here’s a reminder about ZedNet for Sunday 6 March ’22 – evening at 2000h EST. (0100h ZULU Monday).

We now have the site running:  http://zednet.xyz

Zednet exists on the…

  • Yaesu System Fusion (Wires-X) “room” 28598, and 83466 which is cross-linked to
  • Brandmeister (BM) DMR worldwide talkgroup 31429 (More HERE)
  • Echolink  WB0YLE-R

Fellow hams who have access locally to a Yaesu System Fusion repeater, a repeater on the BM network, or a multi-mode hotspot registered with BM can get on and have a rag chew…. 24/7/365

Want to get involved? WB0YLE provided a Bill Of Materials, with links, for what you need. HERE  THIS WAS UPDATED on 22 March 2021

I created a page for the List of YOUR callsigns.  HERE  Chime in or drop me a note if your call doesn’t appear in the list.

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Daily Rome Shot 436, etc.

Daily Mass Fervorino HERE

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3:16 isn’t just in John.

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But remember… the problem is the Traditional Latin Mass!

But remember… the problem is the Traditional Latin Mass! If only we could shut it down, the seminaries would fill up again.

Right?

Time, the inexorable “biological solution” is going to grind our presbyterates into the dust to which we all return.  It is happening fast now, dear readers.

In 2016 I wrote that a priest friend, during my trip to his southern US diocese, said that they were going to lose 50% of their priests to retirement or death in five years.    It will only get worse there and elsewhere.

Ah, the Church of Rahner’s dreams! It’s a new Pentecost!

Snark aside, unleash the TLM and every other aspect of the Vetus Ordo and you’ll soon find that there isn’t room enough in seminaries.

Dire numbers.

Loss of 50% in 5 years.

38 dioceses ordained ZERO.

Delere reprimere fallere falsis nominibus unitatem ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

A priest friend told me that this year there would be NO priests ordained for the Archdiocese of New York.

That didn’t just “happen”, unforeseen out of the blue.  “Wow!  Look what happened to us!”  No.

It was engineered.  This is what the Church of Rahner and Co. wanted all along.  That, and THIS: From LifeSite – “Austrian bishop hangs banner of nude trans activist over main altar for Lent“. Really.  Get it?

Undermine the priesthood from within and you accomplish so much more than the Protestant Revolt could ever, and that was, at heart, an attack on the priesthood.

I saw a video from the “live Mass stream” of a regular diocesan parish.  It was for a morning TLM.  Interesting detail: there were a bunch of (I’m told) seminarians present in choir dress.  After Mass there was Exposition of a goodly length.  Checking the parish’s bulletin, I found that, during Exposition, the priest was “in the box” hearing confessions.   This was followed by Benediction.   The number of seminarians for that diocese that chose to be at that Mass was, if the diocesan webpage is any indication, more than half of their total seminarians for the diocese.

Time grinds on and the foes of traditional sacred worship have their blades out, but the TLM cannot be stopped.

It is the way.

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Daily Rome Shot 435, etc.

Photo by Jacob Stein of Crux Stationalis.

Daily Fervorino from live Mass stream: HERE

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Daily Fervorino HERE

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And now for something completely different

Here is something different to start, or to continue your day.

A crusader song of the 12th century.

The text is by one of the earliest troubadours, Marcabrus, and is – I think – in Old Occitan.

There is a mesmerizing quality to this piece. One can imagine it being sung of a night around a fire off the edge of a road on the way to Spain, men adjusting their gear, leaning on elbows with the light flickering off metal and eyes, everyone joining in the chorus.

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“Breviaries! Getchyer Roman Breviaries!”

ORIGINALLY Published on: Mar 3, 2022 at 14:37


So I don’t “bury the lead”.

I have some sets of the beautiful 3 volume, Latin/English Roman Breviary from Baronius Press.  I must sell them.  

If you are interested in buying one for someone else, rather than for yourself – for example, FOR a priest or seminarian – let me know.

More on this, below.

Some years ago, Baronius Press in England put out an updated version of the old Collegeville, Latin and facing English in columns, three-volume edition of the Breviarium Romanum, called Divine Office.

The Baronius Press volumes are well-made, updated, and beautiful. They have, as the old Collegeville edition did, facing Latin and a sound translation in English. The Psalter is the good one (not the Pius XII).

Here are some photos of when I unboxed a set.

Helpful cards.

I say the Office in Latin, but from time to time I like to refresh my familiarity with the Psalms in English.  Throughout the Psalter there are good commentaries along the way.

These breviaries would be extraordinarily helpful for those whose Latin is not the strongest, but who want to recite the traditional Office, whether because he has the obligation or she wants to do so out of devotion.

I have a limited number of these sets. Unopened.

I must sell them.

One set has already been bought, shipped and received, so the system works.

Write to me at buybreviaries@protonmail.com

Indicate your:

NAME
ADDRESS of shipping
NUMBER of sets desired

I will write back with the price and details.

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