ASK FATHER: What does Jesus mean by “where the body is, there also the vultures will gather” (Luke 17:37)?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

At the end of His teaching on the the Day of the Son of Man in St. Luke’s Gospel, Jesus says something that has always left me puzzled. What does Jesus mean by “where the body is, there also the vultures will gather” (Luke 17:37)?

Okay, let’s have a stab at this.

First, Fathers of the Church, such as Jerome and Augustine have their allegorical discussions.  I won’t go into them just now.

The Lord uses this image twice, Luke 17:35 and Matthew 24:28. The contexts are slightly different. The parallel of Matthew 24 is Luke 21. So, it seems that this is a phrase that the Lord used more than once, in different contexts. There are slight differences in the grammar, but the meaning is pretty much the same.

This comes around in the Church’s traditional liturgical calendar on the Last Sunday after Pentecost, the end of the liturgical year.  I do not think that it every is read in the Novus Ordo, from either Luke or Matthew.

In Matthew, the Lord is talking about the Abomination of Desolation and the Great Tribulation. His prophetic language and images are about the proximate destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. It is clear he is talking about Jerusalem, because in the end times, it isn’t going to make any difference if you take what is in your house or you stop to get your mantle. It won’t make a difference if people flee to the mountains of Judea. That would only make a difference if it was the coming of the Romans, not the end of the world. The Abomination of Desolation (described in Daniel 9) is the desecration of the Temple that would occur after the death of the Messiah when the Romans came. Look to Josephus’ account of the destruction of Jerusalem to learn of the tribulation.

Christ talks about the sign of the coming of the Son of Man. When you see certain signs you know that something is coming. When the fig tree puts out its leave, you know what time of year it is, summer is near. But Christ is still talking also about Jerusalem not the end of the world. Even the talk about “stars will fall from heaven” in the Old Testament is used by the prophets to describe the destruction of cities. The image of “coming on the clouds” is also an image of divine judgment against a wicked city. And he says that this generation will not pass away but these things will come to pass. Moreover, the Jews saw the Temple as a microcosm of the whole universe, with an ocean (a big basin for purification), a court decorated with plant life for the land, and the inner part decorated with stars and planets, etc., for the heavens. The Temple is the entire created universe. The destruction of the Temple was like the destruction of the entire cosmos for the Jews in that time. So, the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Romans is aptly put in terms of the end of the world.

That image of the fig tree putting out leaves means you know that summer is coming. In fact, it is inevitable that summer is going to come. The sequence is determined.

The image of the carcass or body and the eagles or vultures is another determined sequence. Is there a carcass? The vultures are going to show up. It is inevitable.

Luke 17 is a little different. The Apostles ask “Where, Lord?”… is this going to happen. Two will be in a field, one will be taken, etc. V. 37: And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” The enigmatic answer seems to have the same impact about inevitability. It doesn’t make any difference. Christ had just been talking about the people of Sodom and the people in the time of Noah who were paying no attention to God, but were mired in the world. The “carcass” is wherever the negligent or wicked soul is and it is inevitable, as the night follows day, as summer follows spring, that when the moment of the parousia arrives, those who have faith will be removed to the place and those who were worldly will be put in their place. Another aspect of this may come out if the eagles/vultures, birds of prey, are punishing demons. Where the dead ones are, the demons will have their way.  On the other hand, those who keep their eyes fixed on God, asking for mercy, etc., will be saved just as assuredly as those who don’t are punished.  It’s as sure as vultures showing up when there is a carcass to be had.

This business about one being taken and the other left, is NOT about a “Rapture”, which is a pernicious cobbled-up notion straight from Hell.

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GALLUP: US Church membership declining FAST

I’ve been incessantly writing and talking about a “demographic sinkhole” opening up under the Church in these USA.

Gallup published (oddly, under “Politics”) about US Church membership.  When you go over there to read the article, be aware that they use the word “traditionalist” to identify people born before 1946.  It has nothing to do with liturgical choices.

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Americans’ membership in houses of worship continued to decline last year, dropping below 50% for the first time in Gallup’s eight-decade trend. In 2020, 47% of Americans said they belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque, down from 50% in 2018 and 70% in 1999.

U.S. church membership was 73% when Gallup first measured it in 1937 and remained near 70% for the next six decades, before beginning a steady decline around the turn of the 21st century.

As many Americans celebrate Easter and Passover this week, Gallup updates a 2019 analysis that examined the decline in church membership over the past 20 years.

Gallup asks Americans a battery of questions on their religious attitudes and practices twice each year. The following analysis of declines in church membership relies on three-year aggregates from 1998-2000 (when church membership averaged 69%), 2008-2010 (62%), and 2018-2020 (49%). The aggregates allow for reliable estimates by subgroup, with each three-year period consisting of data from more than 6,000 U.S. adults.

The decline in church membership is primarily a function of the increasing number of Americans who express no religious preference. Over the past two decades, the percentage of Americans who do not identify with any religion has grown from 8% in 1998-2000 to 13% in 2008-2010 and 21% over the past three years.

As would be expected, Americans without a religious preference are highly unlikely to belong to a church, synagogue or mosque, although a small proportion — 4% in the 2018-2020 data — say they do. That figure is down from 10% between 1998 and 2000.

Given the nearly perfect alignment between not having a religious preference and not belonging to a church, the 13-percentage-point increase in no religious affiliation since 1998-2000 appears to account for more than half of the 20-point decline in church membership over the same time.

Most of the rest of the drop can be attributed to a decline in formal church membership among Americans who do have a religious preference. Between 1998 and 2000, an average of 73% of religious Americans belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque. Over the past three years, the average has fallen to 60%.

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That’s the generic nutshell.

What about Catholics?

Between 2010 and 2020 there was a big drop.  Why could that be?

Also, note the difference in the drop between Republicans (-12) and Democrats (-25), Conservative (-14) and both Moderate and Liberal (-21).

Protestant (-9) and Catholic (-18).  Could that be because Catholics are dropping out to go to megachurches?

Also,… NB: mention of pandemic…

The U.S. remains a religious nation, with more than seven in 10 affiliating with some type of organized religion. However, far fewer, now less than half, have a formal membership with a specific house of worship. While it is possible that part of the decline seen in 2020 was temporary and related to the coronavirus pandemic, continued decline in future decades seems inevitable, given the much lower levels of religiosity and church membership among younger versus older generations of adults.

Churches are only as strong as their membership and are dependent on their members for financial support and service to keep operating. Because it is unlikely that people who do not have a religious preference will become church members, the challenge for church leaders is to encourage those who do affiliate with a specific faith to become formal, and active, church members.

While precise numbers of church closures are elusive, a conservative estimate is that thousands of U.S. churches are closing each year.

[NB] A 2017 Gallup study found churchgoers citing sermons as the primary reason they attended church. Majorities also said spiritual programs geared toward children and teenagers, community outreach and volunteer opportunities, and dynamic leaders were also factors in their attendance. A focus on some of these factors may also help local church leaders encourage people who share their faith to join their church.

Let’s jump over to that link about sermons.

Sermons and Music Matter More to Protestants Than Catholics

While the rank order of priorities is similar between members of the two Christian branches, Protestants (including those who identify as simply “Christian”) attach much more importance than Catholics to the content of sermons, as well as to the quality of music.  [When you don’t have sacraments….]

Catholics and Protestants attach nearly the same levels of importance to the more social or pragmatic aspects of church, including access to youth programs, community outreach opportunities and social activities. However, Protestants are not significantly more likely than Catholics to care about the style of their religious leaders, saying the presence of dynamic leaders who are interesting or inspiring is a major factor. [When you don’t have sacraments….]

Reasons Protestants vs. Catholics Attend Church
% Major factor
Protestant/Other Christian Catholic
% %
Sermons that teach about scripture 83 62
Sermons that help connect religion to own life 80 67
Spiritual programs for children/teens 68 63
Community outreach and volunteer opportunities 61 56
Dynamic religious leaders 53 47
Social activities 49 48
Choir or other spiritual music 44 29
Based on those who attend church monthly or more often
GALLUP, MARCH 9-29, 2017

Overall, Catholics rate none of the factors as more important reasons for attending than do Protestants, suggesting that the latter group — with dozens of denominations and branches of Protestantism to choose from — may be more attuned to specific dynamics of what they prefer in their church experience than Catholics.

I wonder about that last component, “Choir or other spiritual music”.   Could it be that Catholics have been hammered with musical dreck for so long that they’ve tuned that aspect out?  I know one case, a parish in NYC which the Archdiocese was trying to close, that massively revived especially through having several sung TLMs during the week at a time when people were getting off work.  It was expensive to start, because they had paid singers.  However, once it caught on the contributions by far outweighed the expense.  Numbers at the evening Masses grew.

Another example, when I as a seminarian and then deacon was assigned to a church in Rome, San Nicola in Carcere, I got some of the other seminarians to come to serve Masses but also to sing Gregorian chant.  There was also a schola entirely of women, many of whom worked for the Comune.  We started leaving the doors of the basilica open and people walking by came in and then stayed.  The regular attendance at Sunday Mass began to grow.    I did the same thing when I was rector of a church, also in Italy.  A very good local choir would sing chant and polyphony for a Latin Novus Ordo Mass.  We left the doors open.  People passing by came in and stayed and returned the next week.  Attendance grew.

The plural of anecdote is “data”.  I’m sure you readers have music and liturgy related anecdotes.

When the sinkhole has taken the “beige” and the juggernaut of time, the biological solution, has taken our dear seasoned Catholics, there will be left only the highly motivated and committed: trads, converts, charismatics, etc.  These groups will have to find each other and unite to stay vital as Catholics in devolving modern society.  The key will be traditional sacred liturgical worship which will inform the sort of evangelical zeal and principles which the young and committed will surely embrace, especially regarding works of mercy and strong catechesis.   Rather like the ancient Church.

And the TLM is growing… growing… growing…. hear that you bishops?…. growing.

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Card. Zen writes an Open Letter to Card. Sarah about the St. Peter’s Suppression of Masses

CNA posted a translation.

“It was night.”

 

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Daily Rome Shot 117

Photo by Bree Dail.

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#ASonnetADay – SONNET 131. “Thou art as tyrannous, so as thou art…”

The other version… recorded way out of sequence back when Sir Patrick Stewart said he was skipping 131 because he didn’t like it.  Well, I did it… and then I forgot to post it!  I just rediscovered the other version when I went to save the new video and I was asked if I wanted to replace the other one.

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Card. Sarah – @Card_R_Sarah – calls for reversal of the St. Peter’s Suppression of daily Masses

At the National Catholic Register (never to be confused with the Fishwrap), we read that Robert Card. Sarah has joined his voice to those of Cards. Raymond L. Burke, Gerhard L. Müller and Walter Brandmüller, who have objected to the St. Peter’s Suppression (SPS) of individual morning Masses.

Since the SPS, the Basilica has been pretty much lifeless.

Sandro Magister posted seven point from Card. Sarah.

In Sarah’s point #2 on concelebration, I suggest a look at what Fr. John Hunwicke has written recently.  Look at 23 March and the following days for additional entries.

Sarah makes an ironic point: according to the SPS, a priest who wishes to celebrated Mass individually and not be forced to concelebrate, is now forced to say the Extraordinary Form without the freedom of choosing the Novus Ordo.

Another good point: The altars of the Basilica have the relics of saints, some of them very well-known saints.  By suppressing daily individual Masses,  “such altars are almost condemned to death.”  Instead of being tombs of saints, they are “mere works of art”. “Those altars, instead, must live, and their life is the daily celebration of the Holy Mass.”

Sarah also points out something that I was truly horrified by.  When writing about the limitation of the Extraordinary Form, the Traditional Latin Mass, the Cardinal raises the issue of priests of non-Roman, non-Latin Catholic Churches.  If a priest of an Eastern Rite comes to the Basilica, must be forced to concelebrate in the Latin Rite, in Italian?

This whole thing reeks.

You should all take careful note of those who have cheered the Suppression.

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“If great big bishops will not guard the noble deposit, then it may be time to depose them.

At Crisis today there is a well-written, well-argued piece by Regis Martin which merits wide attention.  Share it.

Does the Church No Longer Defend the Deposit of Faith?

The writer laments that we are living in strange times: “Times in which faithlessness, not fidelity, gets rewarded.”

As proof of this all manner of sycophantic slobber is sluiced over a certain homosexualist activist Jesuit, who constantly erodes moral principles while claiming to minister to an “oppressed” group.

Martin, Regis Martin that is, the writer of the offering at Crisis, not the recipient of the slobber, turns his attention to bishops who openly support mortal sin.

You may know that bishops really shouldn’t do that.  As my friend Fr. Murray reminded us (and them) the other day, when bishops are installed they take an Oath of Fidelity that includes the following: “I promise that in my words and actions I shall always preserve communion with the Catholic Church. . . .I shall hold fast to the deposit of faith in its entirety; I shall faithfully hand it on and explain it, and I shall avoid any teachings contrary to it. . . .So help me God.”

Martin points to bishops in Germany.  An obvious group.  My emphases and comments:

 … certain rogue bishops in Germany, who have lately become infatuated with the idea of Church blessings for homosexual unions. They appear to be in a great hurry to enact sweeping changes in the Catechism of the Catholic Church in order to accommodate what used to be called sodomy. The bishop of Mainz, for example; one of several spearheading the effort.

His fixation on the subject has driven him to the extremity of whitewashing practices that, until the day before yesterday, were classified as mortal sins. “As to the demand for chastity,” he asks “what does it mean from the perspective of people who experience same-sex attraction? I think that few of them would consider this demand as tactful and respectful because,” as he patronizingly continues, “this inclination is not self-selected.” [Which is not at all apparent and which, even if true, not an excuse for sin.  Read on.]

Is he kidding? What has “self-selection” got to do with it? Has he never heard of concupiscence? [Hey. He’s a German bishop.] Or ever experienced the least tug of appetite for pleasures which, in the light of reason and with an aim toward greater self-mastery, demand that he say no to? Or is it only heterosexual temptation that needs to be resisted? Why should only married couples feel the need to exercise chastity when enticement comes around? Is moral heroism a vocation only for “straight” people to pursue? [NB!] How insulting it is to exempt whole categories of human beings from having to travel the high road of holiness and sexual purity!

If great big bishops will not guard the noble deposit, then it may be time to depose them.

Depose them.

“You’re fired.”

That’s a great idea.  How that is to be accomplished, I don’t know.  We have to struggle, in the midst of this pleasant idea, with the admonition from the Lord about the Pharisees who have the seat of Moses.  They may be really lousy bishops, but they are still bishops.  They may be feckless cowards who cave under the least pressure, but they are still bishops.  They may be slaves to the wisdom of this world, but they are still bishops.

St. John Eudes who said that bad priests are a sign of God’s anger.

‘The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clerics’ who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and affection of devoted shepherds. Instead of nourishing those committed to their care, they rend and devour them brutally. Instead of leading their people to God, they drag Christian souls into hell in their train. Instead of being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, they are its innocuous poison and its murky darkness. St. Gregory the Great says that priests and pastors will stand condemned before God as the murderers of any souls lost through neglect or silence…. When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, “Return, 0 ye revolting children . . . and I will give you pastors according to my own heart” (Jer. 3, 14-15). Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge visited upon the people in consequence of sin.”

If that is true, then of what level of divine wrath are bad bishops a sign?

This is where I refer the readership to the astonishing

Rite of Degradation of a Bishop.

Read and shudder.

It should be publicly televised.

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#ASonnetADay – SONNET 130. “My mistress’ eyes are nothing like the sun”

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No vaccination? No confession! NJ parish now exercises the “power of the syringes” – UPDATE

UPDATE 29 March:

It seems that an option for confessions for the non-jabbed has been added to the schedule.

I note with fascination that, although the priest there seems to be extremely worried about infectious penitents, he will have “face to face” confessions!

Is there some dissonance?

UPDATE 29 March:

Yes, this is a real thing.   I saw an email from someone who called the parish and spoke to the priest there.  He confirmed: “I asked if I was aware of being in a serious state of sin and asked him to hear my confession, would he do it, even though I wasn’t “vaccinated” and he said no.”


Published on: Mar 28, 2021

All.  GO TO CONFESSION… while you still can.

I picked this up from Ann Barnhardt.

What think you of this?

I went to the parish website. HERE

Yes, it really does say that.

Confessions Are Now Available
for Those Who Are Vaccinated
Only those vaccinated may come to the Sacrament of Penance in order to protect yourself, and more importantly, to protect others in case you are asymptomatic and contagious.

“Only those vaccinated…”.

I am wondering if there could be a justifiable reason for this, for example, an almost exclusively elderly demographic of high risk parishioners… maybe the priests themselves are frail… perhaps the Bishop of Trenton ordered this… maybe…. maybe… maybe.

Surely this parish has provisions also for those who are not vaccinated.  After all, Catholic morals should allow for those who choose not to receive any of the troubling vaccines to have a sacramental life.

But there is nothing on their website suggesting that.

I’ve heard of the “principle of the double effect”.

Is there now a “principle of the double jab?”

Does this pastor now wield the power to excommunicate? After all, the excommunicated can’t receive the sacraments until the censure is lifted, absolution is imparted.

In Monmouth Beach, absolution is injected.

An exercise of the power of the syringes.

 

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