Una Voce reports conversation with Holy Father about Motu Proprio: soon

The reps of Una Voce were in Rome.  They met with… well… read what they reported on their site (emphases mine):

FIUV Meetings in Rome – 200711th/13th June 2007
short preliminary report

Dear Friends,

Leo Darroch, Monika Rheinschmitt and I have just returned from a visit to Rome. On Tuesday 12th June We were received in separate meetings by Dario Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos and Mgr Perl of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei and Archbishop Ranjith of the Congregation of Divine Worship.

On Wednesday morning 13th June we were at the General Audience of Pope Benedict and were granted seats on the "Prima Fila" (="first row"). This gave us the opportunity of having some private words with the Holy Father for a couple of minutes. Conversations with the Holy Father are confidential but we can confirm by the words of His Holiness that the Motu Proprio will come soon.

Both Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos and Archbishop Ranjith were very open and friendly. We gave them some papers about the situation in our countries and said that a great many lay people and priests are waiting patiently, and impatiently, for news from Rome about greater freedom for the traditional liturgy; not only the Mass but all the liturgical books. We gave them each a bound volume of all the public manifestos that have been published around the world in the past few months in support of the Holy Father.

We expressed our regret that some bishops conferences had written to Rome against the forthcoming indult but gave our opinion that they had not consulted anyone about their decisions and, in this matter, they did not speak for their people or for many of their priests. We were urged to pray for the Holy Father and the whole Church in these difficult days.

Best regards
In Christo
Jack P. Oostveen

Foederatio Internationalis Una Voce
President

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23 Responses to Una Voce reports conversation with Holy Father about Motu Proprio: soon

  1. Theodoricus says:

    What a wonderful news at last! Where is that bottle of Veuve?

    Cheers Father and AD FUNDUM!

  2. Mr Neutron says:

    I’ll believe it when I see it. Alas, the 7th bottle of Chimay never made it to the weekend. Number 8, now, awaits. For the sake of my liver, I hope we see the motu proprio very soon.

  3. Prof. Basto says:

    I´m raising the stakes: chilling La Grande Dame Rosé 1995.

  4. This is going in the wrong direction. I am removing some comments.

  5. Jack says:

    Hopefully a long series of Novenas in petition may make way for many Masses of thanksgiving and gratitude
    Jack

  6. nab says:

    “Greater freedom for the traditional liturgy; not only the Mass but all the liturgical books,” Does that mean other older Rites of the sacraments will be able to be used as well? Is this something we knew? This seems like news to me.

  7. Brian Crane says:

    It would be nice if we could use the “Collectio Rituum” again, instead of the “Book of Blessings”, which has come to be called the “Book of Wishes” by many… I guess we’ll find out soon enough!

  8. I have just seen this fascinating post from Rorate Caeli translating an article which actually quotes from the cover letter to the imminently released Motu Proprio.

    Things are getting interesting!

  9. RBrown says:

    We expressed our regret that some bishops conferences had written to Rome against the forthcoming indult but gave our opinion that they had not consulted anyone about their decisions and, in this matter, they did not speak for their people or for many of their priests.

    What happened to their pastoral concern?

  10. Cody says:

    I’ll get my “Return of the Traditional Mass” blog post ready…

  11. Br. Pius says:

    July 3 marks the 100th anniversary of Pius X’s Lamentabili. Seems like as good a day as any to issue this document.

  12. RJ Talley says:

    Sweet Jesus, Thank you! I was praying this would come in my life time!

  13. Augustinus says:

    The Bishops of England and Wales, not surprisingly, are fighting this all the way. – see article in this morning’s Daily Telegraph:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=RQIIKEBUYF5JDQFIQMGSFFWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/06/16/nmass116.xml

    If they’re true to past form, “the MP will not apply in E and W” will be their mantra.

  14. Ansjo says:

    From that Telegraph article linked above:

    “The Tridentine Rite, which dates back to the 1560 Council of Trent, differs from the new Mass in that it is celebrated in Latin with the priest leading the people in facing east, the direction from which the Church believes Jesus will appear on the Last Day.”

    Huh? Is that really the rationale for facing East? I don’t think I’ve ever heard that explanation given before.

  15. Jordan Potter says:

    “Is that really the rationale for facing East? I don’t think I’ve ever heard that explanation given before.”

    It’s part of the rationale, but it’s quite misleading to baldly state that ad orientem is about the Second Advent appearing in the East. Christ is the New Dawn, the Daystar bringing the light of life and truth. At his First Advent, His Star appeared in the East. His Second Advent will be seen by all, as the spectacular light of the sun that shines from the East to the West. In Ezekiel’s visions of the New Temple, the Lord enters the Temple from the East, passing through the eastern gate of the city which is then walled up so that no one else can pass through it (which Catholics have traditionally interpreted as a typological anticipation of the Perpetual Virginity). So, ad orientem has to do with expecting the coming of the Lord and being ready to meet Him when He comes, and has to do with looking toward the light and being open and docile before it. But it isn’t just about Christ’s Second Coming first being seen in the East. It’s far more than that.

  16. Jordan Potter says:

    From that Telegraph article: “He is also understood to have excluded a Good Friday prayer calling for the conversion of Jews that some felt could have upset the sensitive relations between the two faiths.”

    Well, we know that’s impossible. The Motu Proprio is about extending permission for the 1962 Roman Missal. There’s no reason to believe Benedict XVI has decided to create a new edition of the pre-Vatican II Missal, and Cardinal Kasper explicitly told a Jewish group that, sorry, there’s nothing that could be done about the Pope’s decision to broaden permission to use the 1962 Missal. The secular press, especially the British press, can’t be trusted to get this story right.

  17. Augustinus says:

    Hadn’t the so-called offending language “perfidis” already been removed? It’s certainly not in the 1962 Missal I possess.

  18. RBrown says:

    Although there are certain reasons for facing east, it is more important that the celebrant shouldn’t be facing the people–they should be facing the same direction.

  19. As for facing East, Jordan your explanation is simply excellent.

    Every liturgy is a manifestation of the Parousia – the “now and the not yet” of the Eternal Kingdom. I thought some of you might find this interesting…
    http://www.marquette.edu/maqom/parousia

    The ancient rites of Christian Initiation call for a repudiation of the sin, corruption and darkness of Satan/Evil (even spitting) while then turning towards the East to ebrace the illuminating light and life of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In that sense the whole assembly now “faces East” liturgically – turning away from sin and towards God.

    Although I agree with RBrown that it is critical that both priest and congregation face the same direction, the ideal remains an assembly and its clergy facing the actual geographic East.

    Grace builds upon nature, after all! ;-)

    A small anecdote about a recent experience: A few weeks ago I attended a fairly traditional Ordo of Paul VI with a priest who was facing the people. (The chapel even had a rood screen!) He seemed to be wrapt in ecstatic prayer at the moment of the elevation, but I could not help but think how difficult it must be for him knowing that we are also looking at his face. Some things are best left veiled, IMHO. This is obviously not a substantinve argument in favor of ad Orientem, just a general observation from the pew.

    God bless!

    Gordo

  20. Fr. D says:

    Could it happen on the Solemn Feast of St. Benedict, July 11th?

  21. RJ says:

    JMJ
    Has anyone thought about the MP being issued on the 19th anniversary of the ED MP, on
    July 2, 1988?
    Just a wild guess.
    RJ