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  • 8 July 2008

    ZENIT Interview in Italian now (some translation quirks… but… oh well…)

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 2:28 pm

    We are Italian now.

    Well.. I am Italian in a sense already… but… the One Year Later interview I did with ZENIT (in two parts here and here) is now coming out in Italian.

    Part 1 (Part 2 on Wednesday)

    Samples:

    C’è stata una grande richiesta della Messa tradizionale in latino dopo il motu proprio “Summorum Pontificum”?

    Padre Zuhlsdorf: Sì e no. Non abbiamo visto orde di fedeli battere alla porta dei rettorati per chiedere la Messa in latino, ma c’è stato un costante aumento delle parrocchie in cui la Messa tradizionale in latino viene ora celebrata regolarmente.

    Le gocce stanno formando un ruscello. ...

    There are some problems with the translation.  For example, where I said "rectories", they said "rettorati", which are really "rectorates", another idea entirely.  They would have done better to say "canoniche", which is a house where a priest lives.

    Another example:

     

    Molti Vescovi diocesani, incredibilmente, hanno posto ostacoli irragionevoli ai provvedimenti che il Santo Padre aveva generosamente promulgato. Questa resistenza si sta ora sgretolando sotto l’esame della gente e la pressione della Santa Sede. 

     

    I did not say under the scrutiny of the "people", but under the scrutiny of the "blogosphere"... "blogosfera". 

     

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    Church of England bishop will lead Anglicans to Rome

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 2:04 pm

    We are watching the Anglican implode this week.

    No surprise.

    But this is rather interesting.  Damian Thompson has this to report, as I picked up from my friend Fr. Blake:

    [Church of England] bishop will lead Anglicans to Rome
    Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 04:30 PM GMT

    The Bishop of Ebbsfleet, the Rt Rev Andrew Burnham, is to lead his fellow Anglo-Catholics from the Church of England into the Roman Catholic Church, the Catholic Herald will reveal this week.

    Bishop Burnham, one of two "flying bishops" in the province of Canterbury, has made a statement asking Pope Benedict XVI and the English Catholic bishops for "magnanimous gestures" that will allow traditionalists to become Catholics en masse.

    He is confident that this will happen, following talks in Rome with Cardinal Levada, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and Cardinal Kasper, the Vatican’s head of ecumenism. He was accompanied on his visit by the Rt Rev Keith Newton, Bishop of Richborough, the other Canterbury "flying bishop", who is expected to follow his example.

    Bishop Burnham hopes that Rome will offer special arrangements whereby former Anglicans can stay worshipping in parishes under the guidance of a Catholic bishop. Most of these parishes already use the Roman liturgy, but there may be provision for Anglican prayers if churches request it.

    Anglican priests who are already married will not be barred from ordination as priests, though Bishop Burnham would not be able to continue in episcopal orders, as he is married and there is an absolute bar on married bishops in the Roman and Orthodox Churches.

    In his statement, Bishop Burnham explains why he is rejecting the code of practice offered to traditionalists by the General Synod last night. "How could we trust a code of practice to deliver a workable ecclesiology if every suggestion we have made for our inclusion has been turned down flat?" he asks.

    "How could we trust a code of practice when those who are offering it include those who have done most to undermine and seek to revoke the code of practice in force for these last 14 years? ...

    "What we must humbly ask for now is for magnanimous gestures from our Catholic friends, especially from the Holy Father, who well understands our longing for unity, and from the hierarchy of England and Wales. Most of all we ask for ways that allow us to bring our folk with us."

    I pray that these men, and the people who follow them, will have strength and courage to stand up to the pressure they will face now that they have made these statements.  

    May they come to Rome.

    They have with humilty asked for a magnanimous gesture from Pope Benedict. 

    Can you think of anyone else who perhaps should be watching their good example?

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    USCCB: “Dick and Jane” translation theory again triumphs for a day - Eerie!

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 1:44 pm

    I am caught in a dilemma. 

    I am simultaneously filled with admiration of those bishops who know how to manipulate the rules of order for the Conference of Bishops, the "process", in order to delay something they don’t like (such as approval of the draft translation for the Proper of Seasons), ... (hghghh!)

    ... over and against my desire to rain invective down on them for holding up the whole English speaking world and the use of a new translation of the Missal …. (hghghh!)

    ...all because a few of them think you are too stupid to understand the hard words or long sentences.

    So perhaps the way to cope is to honor them with this piece from the Curt Jester.

    By now I am sure that you have heard that the US bishops rejected the proposed translation of Roman Missal.  I do have an exclusive thought.  The bishops have sent along some guidance to the International Commission for English in the Liturgy (ICEL) as to what would be acceptable. The following are some actual example pages shown.

    Dick and Jane Agnus Dei

    Along with some rubrics for the GIRM.

    Dick and Jane play with Holy Water Font

    Bishop Trautman called the sample changes "Great for both John and Mary Catholic and Dick and Jane Catholic."

    Catholic blogger Father Z called these proposals ineffable and that he would rather be strung up on a gibbet than use this translation for Mass.

    Darn right! 




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    Simply wonderful: Novus Ordo 2.0

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 1:22 pm

    For the following, many thanks to the first in the trail of bread crumbs, His Hermeneuticalness, and then Creative Minority Report.  Kudos.



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