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  • 29 July 2008

    PCED response about TLMs for children

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 4:41 pm

    One of the WDTPRSers sent me a copy of an interesting response to a question put to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei.

    I don’t have the original letter of the sender containing the question(s), but we can perhaps discern what was going on.

    Here is the main part of the PCED response:

    You raise the question as to whether school children are permitted by right to be exposed to the celebration of the Eucharist in the extraordinary form provided all necessary catechesis is offered.  the answer is obviously positive.

    Of course, they are permitted to be exposed to the celebration of the Mass according to the extraordinary form.  No doubt, a number of them already assist at this Mass with their parents on Sunday.

    We trust the the priests of the Institute of Christ the King and those who collaborate with them will help engage the children’s participation in some way with songs or chants.  we would also suggest that the readings for Masses be read in the vernacular as this is in full accord with the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum and could further help to maintain their attention.
    I am guessing that the question we put to the PCED because someone suggested to the writer that TLMs are too hard for children, that Latin isn’t appropriate for them.

    A couple things.  First, we don’t know what age "school children" are.  They might be 6 or 16, with rudimentary English or, perhaps home-schooled with Latin.  Common sense must be used.

    Also, from the onset after the text of the Motu Proprio was released I spoke of my option that the vernacular could be used during TLMs.  That doesn’t mean I think it should: I am saying that Summorum Pontificum permitted it (as did the PCED’s guidelines many years ago).  I am not sure about the best way to handle this, however.  Perhaps the priest could do as he would during a low Mass on a Sunday, leave the altar and read the readings a second time.  Perhaps he would not read in Latin, but rather read them in English.  Perhaps someone else would read them in English while Father was reading them normally in Latin.  I don’t know.

    However, what the PCED wrote was a suggestion.  It can be taken or not.

    Also, songs and chants could be used to "engage the children’s participation".  Well… okay.  But I suppose that means having  Missa cantata.  Otherwise are we now into the thorny problem of the role of "hymns" and "songs" versus the actual liturgical texts of the Mass?  I don’t know.

    Another thing, and interesting, is that children have the right to be exposed to the TLM.  They have a right.   If they have a right, then pastors of souls have a duty to respond.  And since there are children pretty much everyone, as memory serves, then pastors of souls pretty much everywhere have the duty to see that the rights of those children are being met.

    Furthermore, since children themselves don’t know their rights or know clearly what is good for them, and they might even from time to time resist what is good for them, pastors of souls should nevertheless persevere in building up the TLM in parishes.

    By extension, adults also have these rights.  Pastors of souls should also see to the needs of their spiritual children even if no request has been made.

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    PODCAzT 67: St. Augustine on Martha, active v. contemplative lives; don Camillo (part II)

    CATEGORY: NAPLAM, PODCAzT, SESSIUNCULUM, don Camillo — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 3:43 pm

    Today we are joined by the mighty Doctor of Grace, St. Augustine of Hippo (+430). 

    He preaches to us from sermo 103 about the tension of the contemplative life and the active life, about being attentive to the needs of the poor and about being quiet and reserved, about St. Martha, whose feast today is, and about her sister Mary. 

    Also, we have another installment of stories about the fictional don Camillo Tarocci, (+ A.D. ... ?) parish priest of "The Little World" created by Giovanni Guareschi.

    I began a new project in the last PODCAzT, namely, to read stories from The Little World of Don Camillo.  At this point, some thousand or so of you have listened. 

    These delightful pieces are set in post-war Nothern Italy. 

    They blend brilliant insight into the human condition with solid applied Catholic Faith. 

    Today we hear two tales:

    On the Trail  ... and
    Night School.





     
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    066 08-07-25 don Camillo (part I): VM - advice on getting TLMs & “pro multis”
    065 08-07-19 St. Ambrose “On mysteries”; Interview: Fr. Robert Pasley
    064 08-07-15 Bonaventure on Christ “the door”; Interview – Fr. Timothy Finigan
    063 08-07-12 Interview: Fr. Justin Nolan, FSSP; consecrated hands, Holy Communion and the Rite of Baptism
    062 08-06-26 Interviews with and by Fr. Z; What has Bp. Fellay really said?
    061 08-05-17 Pope Leo I on a post-Pentecost weekday; Fr. Z rambles not quite aimlessly for a while
    060 08-05-16 Pentecost customs; St. Ambrose on the dew of the Holy Spirit
    059 08-05-15 Leo the Great on Pentecost fasting; Benedict XVI’s sermon for Pentecost Sunday
    058 08-05-14 Ember Days; Chrysostom on St. Matthias; Prayer to the Holy Spirit
    057 08-05-13 John Paul II on the unforgivable sin; Our Lady of Fatima and the vision of Hell
    056 08-05-12 Octaves – Fr. Z rants & Augustine on Pentecost
    055 08-05-03 Tertullian, again; Fr. Rutler and Fr. Z on Archbp. Marini’s book
    054 08-04-29 Pro-Abortion Politicians and Communion; St. Ambrose and Emperor Theodosius






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    Benedict XVI: What I did on my summer vacation.

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 10:37 am

    His Holiness will be able to relax for his August break in a place well-known to him.

    Hopefully he will be able to finish the second volume of Jesus of Nazareth and get something done on the "social" encyclical.

    This is where his family came rather often on their vacations and His Holiness has been here many times, as Archbishop, Prefect and now Pope.

    Here is a video from SKY TG24 with the very able Stefano Maria Paci on location.

     
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