500 signatures collected for old rite in Milan

Andrea Tornielli of il Giornale reports that in Milan some 500 signatures have been collected from people who desire to participate at celebrations of Holy Mass in the older rite.

My translation of Tornielli’s piece:

The signatures of 500 people requesting the application of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, also in the Ambrosian diocese, have been delivered to the chancery of Milan.  … As you might recall, a good part of the Diocese of Milan follows the Ambrosian Rite and formally in the papal document only the Roman Rite is cited (the head of the rite for Ambrosian rite is Card. Dionigi Tettamanzi).  On the face of it, the derestriction would be applied only to parishes that follow the Roman Rite.  Even in this matter, however, a notification from Msgr. Manganini, episcopale vicar, dodged the issue by sustaining that in the diocese there do not exist any groups attached the the old Rite.  The position of the Curia of Milan roused up some tempers in the highest floors of the Vatican.  Even if, formally it is on solid ground, in fact the decision of the Curia of Milan certainly does not show any understanding of the intention of the Pontiff.  The more than 500 signatures were collected during the last weeks via the internet.  Among these, the internet site     totustuus, which promoted this initiative, reports that about half (47 percent to be precise) are of people who are less than 50 years.


You might remember there was some about this from Card. Castrillon Hoyos, which I posted about in the entry The correction of Milan.   Tornielli said then:

Moreover, it seems to me that Cardinal Castrillòn, President of Ecclesia Dei recently had a conversation (I think by telephone) with one of those people in charge of the Ambrosian Rite, in the course of while he presented the diappointment of the Holy See for the non-application of the Motu Proprio in the Lombard capital.


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  1. RichR says:

    The Summorum Pontificum website that allows for an online collection of signatures has really disappointed me. If there is to be a petition in my area, it would require standing outside parishes collecting signatures. While this may sound easy in theory, in practice it is likely to cause problems with the pastors.

    One of two situations will arise if the pastor is against saying a TLM:

    A) He will be upset that you are going over his head and collecting signatures anyway because it will be siphoning parishioners (and money) off to some other parish where the priest will offer a TLM.


    B) He will be upset because it may mean that the Ordinary will require him to take on the additional duties of learning the TLM, preparing extra homilies, etc. Who wants the celebrant of the Mass to be embittered?

    What’s the best way to do a petition? Who’s having success?

  2. Any word if there is interest in the traditional Mozarabic Rite as well?

  3. Brian says:

    Fr. Z,

    I don’t know if you’ve seen this interview of Archbishop Piero Marini by John Allen yet:


    I’m sure many of us would enjoy your comments on it.

  4. Chironomo says:

    Right after the MP came out in July, I wrote a “what might happen” article and hit on EXACTLY what you touched on in your comment. When will Pastors start “seeing the light” about the TLM? They will start seeing the light when the parish across town has taken away 5% of their parishioners, and because of the nature of TLM attendees, they will all be big donors! I know it is not the reason we would like, but we all know full well that Mass attendance equals money in the collection. When the local “TLM Parish” starts showing significant growth and increase in collection, it will suddenly become a great idea.

  5. Scott says:


    You hit the nail square on the head!

  6. woodyjones says:

    I agree with RichR, Chironomo and Scott: despite the attachment to the parish that some traditionalists and conservatives elevate almost to dogma, the only thing to do in the current circumstances is to vote with one’s feet. And wallet.

    An anecdote of proof of the possibility of good results: the new cathedral for the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston was originally designed in a kind of Crystal Cathedral spaceship style (vide Oakland). There was much grumbling, but the design was only scrapped when several of the large donors of the diocese went to Abp Fiorenza and told him they would not donate to build such a structure. Sure enough, it was then redesigned into the realtively tasteful version that is now being built. Archbishop-emeritus Fiorenza will happily participate in its dedication this coming April.

  7. Fr. Wymer says:

    To Fr. Z.’s faithful readers, would anyone know that if Milan begins the celebration of the Extraordinary Form of the Mass would it be in the Roman Rite or the beautiful Ambrosian Rite, or how would all of this work out? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  8. PMcGrath says:

    To RichR:

    Here’s one suggestion for petitions:

    I set up one on ThePetitionSite.com for a petition I wrote asking Cardinal Egan to have the Extraordinary Form for Christmas Midnight Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral. The petition opened in early August and closed 25 November. I was able to collect 465 signatures from around the world. You can see on that second link some of the comments that people left.

    I chose that site because it was the easiest to manage of the several petition signature gathering sites that are out there. Don’t worry that many of the other petitions on that site and its parent, Care2.com, are a bit Greeney. It did OK, and no one from the site ever bothered me.

    To publicize it, I wrote several news releases and punted them out to blogdom and various other places. However, most of the signatures came through people just wandering through cyberspace and finding the petition. I do know, though, that some Una Voce groups found out about it and spread the word among themselves — this was very fruitful.

    So there’s one suggestion for you.

  9. Patrick says:

    There is already an Ambrosian Rite Latin Mass in the Diocese of Milan (one!).
    It is held on Sundays and Feast Days at 10 AM in San Rocco. It is a parish
    linked to the more famous San Gottardo, which also supplies its wonderful
    organist/cantor. The Ambrosian Rite is absolutely beautiful and not terribly
    difficult to follow for those familiar with the Roman Rite Latin Mass. They
    do provide handouts of the Mass, but Latin-Italian, obviously. I highly
    recommend it. Once you’ve been to the Novus Ordo Ambrosian Rite, you will
    see that they are not very different from the Roman Novus Ordo.

    Piazza Tito Lucrezio Caro, 7
    Comune MILANO
    Provincia MI
    CAP 20136
    Regione Lombardia
    Stato Italia
    Missio Coreana- Ss. Martiri Coreani

    due messe festive:
    La Messa Latina Ambrosiana Antica accompagnata dal canto della Messa degli Angeli alle ore 10,00;
    La Messa per la Comunità Coreana Cattolica accompagnata dal coro coreano alle ore 11,30.

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