Thanks for posting these wonderful photos of Archbishop-designate Carlson. I particularly liked the fact that the seminarians were wearing
their cassocks when greeting their new spiritual leader. We’ve come a long way in the last several years! Tom
A friend of mine from Michigan, commenting on the rapid success of Bishop Carlson’s vocations program in Saginaw, quipped, “he must have brought the seminarians with him in his suitcases; either that or he grew them like sea-monkeys.”
I got to know Archbishop-Designate Carlson when he was the Bishop of Sioux Falls, SD. He is a wonderful bishop. Congrats to the people of St. Louis. They should be popping open their bottles of champagne!
I absolutely LOVE the picture of His Grace with the Pink Sisters! They are Perpetual Adorers. They never leave the convent except for moments like this.
Im troubled by his press conference statement ” I’m not Burke” St. Louis and the other dioceses need the likes of Archbishop Burke, I hope Archbishop Carlson isn’t going to turn into a media/people pleaser, there is a Jesuit college St. Louis University that will test him .
He is no Burke. Amongst the American bishops, Msgr. Burke is in a class of his own. I’m an old world reactionary, but if I had to accept an American as Pope it would be Burke ;)
How great. Since Fellay isn’t going to be head of the diocese–Father Z–this great already. ;) Since The Pope chose him to head Saint Louis, I really think we can be assured this man is of sound Teaching and Tradition. I wonder if Archbishop Burke may have added his dollar’s worth to the Holy Father’s process. We pray for him nonetheless.
BTW, doesn’t that seminarian, Corey Greene, just look priestly? I think so. He looks alert, ready–and in a cassock!!!
Father Z, are you going to this installation also? How fun.
TG he is not Burke. STL looks forward to a pastoral foot washer like the Christ… There are MANY vocations in STL, they just aren’t male celibates wearing cassocks… [Sounds pretty sour to me.] If cassocks, Latin and fancy vestments make good priests and eccesiology, what messages does that convey? [What it conveys to me is that you may not have understood well what sort of man Archbishop Burke is.]
So sorry you apparently don’t believe in aggiornamento or Chardin’s Omega… [ROFL!] I too love Gregorian chant and Latin (6+ years of it), but my fellow Christians actually enjoy being able to understand the prayers and being able to say them WITH the priest, who celebrates WITH the Body of Christ.
“So sorry you apparently don’t believe in aggiornamento or Chardin’s Omega…”
I don’t know about aggiornamento, but Chardin’s teaching was condemned by the Holy Office, and that condemnation remains in effect. It’s interesting stuff to read, but defective as theology.
And that’s enough of that rabbit hole.
Carlson is no Burke, but then neither is anyone else. [Right. Let Carlson be Carlson.] He will have his own style. But he has shown in the past his willingness to speak out in defense of Church teaching, and I expect that to continue in St. Louis.
Archbishop-Designate Carlson has some pretty big shoes to fill and my hope is that he will follow in the footsteps of his predecessor. It was nice to see pictures of him praying, on his knees no less, and this indicates to me he has his priorities in order. Surely, he knows what a tall task is before him. I pray for him and ask all to do likewise.
Bishop Carlson served a three year term as head of the bishops’ committee on the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. He has celebrated Mass at the local Catholic charismatic parish I attend (which currently has 22 seminarians out of a population of about 800 or so registered families). Great choice for St. Louis. If you want an extended anecdote about him, see my blog Catholic Analysis.
I know me too, I also like to understand what it is that I am singuing and that is why I am studying Latin.
Every Catholic from a young age needs to get a basic education in Latin and that is something that we got away from after the VII, which we should not have done. That is of course among a long list of things we should have stopped doing.
“So sorry you apparently don’t believe in aggiornamento or Chardin’s Omega…”
Dominican Student…buddy…what time machine did you just step out of or get stuck in? The year is 2009, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is now gloriously reigning and the ’60’s and 70’s are over(thank God). Why don’t you join us?…;)
Chardin? Aggiornamento? Yikes!
You gotta love all those cassocks at the seminary!
The seminarians have made a video about discerning the call. Look for it on the front page of the seminary website (kenrick.edu). It’s quite good.
TG he is not Burke. STL looks forward to a pastoral foot washer like the Christ… There are MANY vocations in STL, they just aren’t male celibates wearing cassocks… If cassocks, Latin and fancy vestments make good priests and eccesiology, what messages does that convey?
Comment by Dominican student
Your comments indicate that your concept of “vocation” is decidedly un-Dominican.
If cassocks, Latin and fancy vestments make good priests and eccesiology, what messages does that convey?
Dominican Student: If you continue to read this blog as I hope, you’ll soon be able to answer this question for yourself.
Cassocks: the message is that exterior appearances should convey and conform to the interior reality — in this case, a Catholic man who has consecrated his life to the liturgy.
Latin: the message is that liturgy must have qualities of sacredness, timelessness, mystery, and universality.
Vestments: the message is that our very best is none too good for God — not because he needs anything from us, but because we need to offer him our most precious things, as indeed we do in offering the body and blood of his Son.
If you are yourself here in STL, you would know that we seminarians very much value both our celibacy, and our Cassocks. They form a part, unequally of course, of our priestly identity. You would also know of our love for St. Louis Archbishop Emeritus, Raymond Leo the Great, whose example of pastoral charity and courageous witness to the Truth (which, I suspect, should interest you, a Dominican) opened our eyes — many of us, at any rate — to the wonder of Christ. Archbishop Burke left a mark on our hearts and minds that will never vanish. I express my gratitude to the Blessed Lord every day in my Holy Hour for Archbishop Burke, and all that he has been to us.
Needless to say, we are also very optimistic about our new Archbishop, who seems every bit as pastoral as Archbishop Burke. We look forward to knowing him better.
I will pray for you, dear Dominican, that you may open your heart to wealth of the Church’s liturgical expression, which indeed reflects the nature of the priesthood, and our Ecclesiology: the priest is ordained to offer the eternal sacrifice for and on behalf of the people.
With all due respect, I believe the proper term is “Archbishop-Designate” Carlson. He has yet to take canonical possession of his see, and being from Michigan, I can assure you that the only metropolitan see is that of Detroit.
To Archbishop-Designate +Robert CARLSON: Many years!
As a Michiganian with a summer home in his diocese, Bishop Carlson seemed fairly orthodox to me. However, I cannot comprehend how he allowed the practice of having the people continue to stand during the Mass from the Our Father through communion to be the standard in the diocese of Saginaw. If you are not going to get down on your knees at that time and say “Lord I am not worthy”, and prepare for the reception of the Holy Eucharist, just when are you supposed to kneel? I sincerely hope he does not take this atrocious liturgical practice to St. Louis. As for me, I’ll continue to kneel at that time, as I have always done.
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Thanks for posting these wonderful photos of Archbishop-designate Carlson. I particularly liked the fact that the seminarians were wearing
their cassocks when greeting their new spiritual leader. We’ve come a long way in the last several years! Tom
Looking at those pictures, it appears that the new Archbishop has already met most of St. Louis! What a great day this is for the city!
A friend of mine from Michigan, commenting on the rapid success of Bishop Carlson’s vocations program in Saginaw, quipped, “he must have brought the seminarians with him in his suitcases; either that or he grew them like sea-monkeys.”
I got to know Archbishop-Designate Carlson when he was the Bishop of Sioux Falls, SD. He is a wonderful bishop. Congrats to the people of St. Louis. They should be popping open their bottles of champagne!
Woo hoo! I’m moving to St. Louis in June.
I absolutely LOVE the picture of His Grace with the Pink Sisters! They are Perpetual Adorers. They never leave the convent except for moments like this.
Im troubled by his press conference statement ” I’m not Burke” St. Louis and the other dioceses need the likes of Archbishop Burke, I hope Archbishop Carlson isn’t going to turn into a media/people pleaser, there is a Jesuit college St. Louis University that will test him .
ED, do you have a link to the press conference? Out of context, “I’m not Burke” sounds like humility rather than anything to worry about.
He is no Burke. Amongst the American bishops, Msgr. Burke is in a class of his own. I’m an old world reactionary, but if I had to accept an American as Pope it would be Burke ;)
How great. Since Fellay isn’t going to be head of the diocese–Father Z–this great already. ;) Since The Pope chose him to head Saint Louis, I really think we can be assured this man is of sound Teaching and Tradition. I wonder if Archbishop Burke may have added his dollar’s worth to the Holy Father’s process. We pray for him nonetheless.
BTW, doesn’t that seminarian, Corey Greene, just look priestly? I think so. He looks alert, ready–and in a cassock!!!
Father Z, are you going to this installation also? How fun.
TG he is not Burke. STL looks forward to a pastoral foot washer like the Christ… There are MANY vocations in STL, they just aren’t male celibates wearing cassocks… [Sounds pretty sour to me.] If cassocks, Latin and fancy vestments make good priests and eccesiology, what messages does that convey? [What it conveys to me is that you may not have understood well what sort of man Archbishop Burke is.]
It conveys that there is still a lot of work to be done in order for the Roman rite to regain much of its lost identity.
So sorry you apparently don’t believe in aggiornamento or Chardin’s Omega… [ROFL!] I too love Gregorian chant and Latin (6+ years of it), but my fellow Christians actually enjoy being able to understand the prayers and being able to say them WITH the priest, who celebrates WITH the Body of Christ.
“So sorry you apparently don’t believe in aggiornamento or Chardin’s Omega…”
I don’t know about aggiornamento, but Chardin’s teaching was condemned by the Holy Office, and that condemnation remains in effect. It’s interesting stuff to read, but defective as theology.
And that’s enough of that rabbit hole.
Carlson is no Burke, but then neither is anyone else. [Right. Let Carlson be Carlson.] He will have his own style. But he has shown in the past his willingness to speak out in defense of Church teaching, and I expect that to continue in St. Louis.
Archbishop-Designate Carlson has some pretty big shoes to fill and my hope is that he will follow in the footsteps of his predecessor. It was nice to see pictures of him praying, on his knees no less, and this indicates to me he has his priorities in order. Surely, he knows what a tall task is before him. I pray for him and ask all to do likewise.
Bishop Carlson served a three year term as head of the bishops’ committee on the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. He has celebrated Mass at the local Catholic charismatic parish I attend (which currently has 22 seminarians out of a population of about 800 or so registered families). Great choice for St. Louis. If you want an extended anecdote about him, see my blog Catholic Analysis.
I know me too, I also like to understand what it is that I am singuing and that is why I am studying Latin.
Every Catholic from a young age needs to get a basic education in Latin and that is something that we got away from after the VII, which we should not have done. That is of course among a long list of things we should have stopped doing.
I meant to say NOT stopped doing on my last sentence.
“So sorry you apparently don’t believe in aggiornamento or Chardin’s Omega…”
Dominican Student…buddy…what time machine did you just step out of or get stuck in? The year is 2009, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is now gloriously reigning and the ’60’s and 70’s are over(thank God). Why don’t you join us?…;)
Chardin? Aggiornamento? Yikes!
You gotta love all those cassocks at the seminary!
The seminarians have made a video about discerning the call. Look for it on the front page of the seminary website (kenrick.edu). It’s quite good.
Dominican student: “Weze to stuupid to prey in latten!” Come on friend, drop the condescension and join the modern Catholic Church. Tom
For an interesting take on Chardin’s Omega, read Malachi Martin’s Hostage to the Devil.
What nice pictures of the new Archbishop with his flock!
I love the seminarians in their cassocks! Woo hoo!
TG he is not Burke. STL looks forward to a pastoral foot washer like the Christ… There are MANY vocations in STL, they just aren’t male celibates wearing cassocks… If cassocks, Latin and fancy vestments make good priests and eccesiology, what messages does that convey?
Comment by Dominican student
Your comments indicate that your concept of “vocation” is decidedly un-Dominican.
If cassocks, Latin and fancy vestments make good priests and eccesiology, what messages does that convey?
Dominican Student: If you continue to read this blog as I hope, you’ll soon be able to answer this question for yourself.
Cassocks: the message is that exterior appearances should convey and conform to the interior reality — in this case, a Catholic man who has consecrated his life to the liturgy.
Latin: the message is that liturgy must have qualities of sacredness, timelessness, mystery, and universality.
Vestments: the message is that our very best is none too good for God — not because he needs anything from us, but because we need to offer him our most precious things, as indeed we do in offering the body and blood of his Son.
Again, I always love that people who write nastily don’t sign by name.
Dear Dominican,
If you are yourself here in STL, you would know that we seminarians very much value both our celibacy, and our Cassocks. They form a part, unequally of course, of our priestly identity. You would also know of our love for St. Louis Archbishop Emeritus, Raymond Leo the Great, whose example of pastoral charity and courageous witness to the Truth (which, I suspect, should interest you, a Dominican) opened our eyes — many of us, at any rate — to the wonder of Christ. Archbishop Burke left a mark on our hearts and minds that will never vanish. I express my gratitude to the Blessed Lord every day in my Holy Hour for Archbishop Burke, and all that he has been to us.
Needless to say, we are also very optimistic about our new Archbishop, who seems every bit as pastoral as Archbishop Burke. We look forward to knowing him better.
I will pray for you, dear Dominican, that you may open your heart to wealth of the Church’s liturgical expression, which indeed reflects the nature of the priesthood, and our Ecclesiology: the priest is ordained to offer the eternal sacrifice for and on behalf of the people.
STL Seminarian. Your response to Dominican was beautiful. I wish you all the best. Tom
STL Seminarian,
Woohoo!
Preach it brother!
“But he has shown in the past his willingness to speak out in defense of Church teaching, and I expect that to continue in St. Louis.”
I hope that a bishop is willing to speak in defense of Church teachings.
With all due respect, I believe the proper term is “Archbishop-Designate” Carlson. He has yet to take canonical possession of his see, and being from Michigan, I can assure you that the only metropolitan see is that of Detroit.
To Archbishop-Designate +Robert CARLSON: Many years!
As a Michiganian with a summer home in his diocese, Bishop Carlson seemed fairly orthodox to me. However, I cannot comprehend how he allowed the practice of having the people continue to stand during the Mass from the Our Father through communion to be the standard in the diocese of Saginaw. If you are not going to get down on your knees at that time and say “Lord I am not worthy”, and prepare for the reception of the Holy Eucharist, just when are you supposed to kneel? I sincerely hope he does not take this atrocious liturgical practice to St. Louis. As for me, I’ll continue to kneel at that time, as I have always done.