Is this what Rep. Stupak really thought all that time he was giving the impression that he was fighting for the life of the unborn?
This video is from a town hall meeting in November 2009.
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He’s a Democrat. Nuff said. Tom
Looking at the Stupak video and reading the timid language in the first paragraph of Richard Doerflinger’s letter to Congressional Aides about the meaninglessness of an Executive Order (“We’ve consulted with legal experts on the specific idea of resolving the abortion funding problems in the Senate bill through executive order. We know Members have been looking into this in good faith, in the hope of limiting the damage done by abortion provisions in the bill. We believe, however, that it would not be fair to withhold what our conclusion was, as it may help members in assessing the options before them”)…
With these two outrages in mind, I’ve concluded that Sunday’s healthcare endgame was really a well planned and cleverly scripted event produced by you-know-who as the closing act of the healthcare battle, starring catholic Pelosi and catholic Stupak, aided and abetted by a hungry catholic UCCB advisory tempted so badly for universal healthcare “justice” that they went gently into the dark night.
With these two outrages in mind, I’ve concluded that Sunday’s healthcare endgame was really a well planned and cleverly scripted event produced by you-know-who as the closing act of the healthcare battle, starring catholic Pelosi and catholic Stupak, aided and abetted by a hungry catholic UCCB advisory tempted so badly for universal healthcare “justice” that they went gently into the dark night.
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This sounds a little like a conspiracy theory; however I do find very believable
bruno
Thanks for posting the video, Father Z.
TJerome (at 10:18) said it.
Catolic Democrats: The Democrat Party is their religion.
He led us on for months for what was never intended to be more than an empty gesture. I am in shock.
I am (was) a Catholic pro-life Democrat. My grandparents were devout Catholics and staunch Democrats. This health care vote has convinced me that it’s no longer possible to be both.
I read a newslink about this back in November and sent a follow-up letter to Stupak telling him to retract my support for his candy ways. I never blew the whistle about it because I hoped he would deliver once he saw all the backing. My facebook update said it well: Why Bart, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the world; but for Michigan? St. Thomas More, pray for us.
elmo, congratulations on your conversion. Just so you know, I was a Democratic Party Official at one time. But my conversion came much earlier, when the alleged “big tent” Party did not allow Catholic Governor Casey of Pennsylvania on the Platform at the 1992 Democratic Convention because he was pro-life. That did it for me. Tom
Sounds like “the Seamless Garment” theology wins again. Thanks Cardinal Bernadin for your unfortunate legacy on this and many more issues…
We should have known all along – especially since the president can as easily rescind his executive order this afternoon as he gave it on Sunday…
“abortion has been the law of the land for many, many decades…”
Slavery was law of the land for many, many years. We must keep up the fight!
This is why I never vote for any democrat.
Benedict Arnold/Judas=Stupak
Do you realize there are fewer hits on Life by the Libertarians than by the Democrats? Because the Libertarians refuse to fund anything they end up being more pro-life than Democrats!
the government is insane to the harm of all–lets all vote for good people who will bring some sanity to the government for the common good!!
Rep. Stupak says in the video that in the event public funding for abortion remains in the proposal, he would ‘stay true to his principles’ ‘vote his conscience’ and vote for it.
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This approach highlights the pastoral nightmare wrought by post VII thinking. It also suggests that Rep. Stupak was less committed to life as he indicated.
As others have commented, this entire gambit was wasted energy since the Hyde Amendment doesn’t really restrict abortion funding in the way many, including the USCCB, suggest.
Furthermore, the bill should never have hinged on abortion alone; the 2 000 page plus enigma is a mockery of subsidiarity. It also reinforces the false notion that only secular state initiatives can help people.
Catholics command a majority on the Supreme Court. Let’s see if they have a deeper understanding of the faith than legislators (confidence is NOT high.)
We now know that there WAS 700,000 pieces of silver involved too! I am beginning to think that what we have here is a pretender/poseur Catholic. Also, it was interesting that it has been reported that the final pen that BHO used to sign the bill was given to the president of the CHA!
There are no pro life Democrats. They vote for the pro abortion leadership and stick w/ the abortion president.
Stupak voted to finance abortion. That is beyond ‘pro choice’, since it takes away my choice to support Big Abortion or not.
He voted pro abortion.
“Section 213 [of the bill] describes the process in which the Health Benefits Commissioner is to assess the monthly premiums that will be used to pay for elective abortions under the government-run plan. The Commissioner must charge at a minimum 1$ per enrollee per month.”
The sham ‘executive order’ can not overtake a law that was passed.
A Pro-Life Democrat is an oxymoron.
When are the Bishops going to actually do something vs taking the “pastoral” approach? The “pastoral” approach is not working when it comes to our elections and our elected officials. I would challenge the Bishops to show us how its working.
If you support abortion politically, financially, or mentally there has to be clear and actionable consquences, otherwise our country & world will continue to fall farther into a living hell.
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Breaking: Bishops applaud health care expansion, concerned about deficiencies in the bill. Details coming.
Just saw this on twitter. Are the Bishops really on board? Bishops- a picture of Courage in Faith…my aunt fanny’s backside
kelleyb – You need to read the whole statement…
http://cnsblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/u-s-bishops-issue-statement-on-health-care-reform/
You cannot be Catholic and “prochoice”, ergo, you cannot be Catholic and Democrat
kelleyb (et al),
The full statement:
BTW, any thoughts on Randall Terry’s latest gig? Vatican Demonstration Calls for Nancy Pelosi´s Excommunication
The problem is too many Bishops are busy being politicians instead of Bishops. Charity and Love should NEVER be forced upon anyone. Making me contribute to pay for someone else is WRONG. That is the definition of SLAVERY.
I am all for helping those who are truely in need as I am able to. I am NOT for helping people at the behest of the state, especially when that help may result in the death of another. The bishops seem to totally miss this. We did have Catholic hospitals in the past that provided for those who could not pay. Since the Bishops mostly abdicated their role in these institutions they now only have a bully pulpit and many have been sucked into the political instead of the pastoral realm.
When are the Bishops going to actually do something vs taking the “pastoral” approach? The “pastoral” approach is not working when it comes to our elections and our elected officials. I would challenge the Bishops to show us how its working.
Actually the pastoral approach is what is needed. They need to start publically defending the faith and it’s morals. They need to call out publically those who publically scandalize others. That is truely pastoral because it teachs everyone what it means to be Catholic.
The mess we have now is because we have a lack of pastoral action of our Bishops.
Might I suggest this as a possible action for ANY bishop in todays world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym6Qgj55e3Y
Public politicans need to see what the consequences are for their actions.
A foolish man who built his house upon the sand…
Here are 89 other Catholic Democrats that need our prayer. Stupak was just the guy who lead us on the most.
YES VOTES from “catholic” Democrats
Joe Baca, California
Xavier Becerra, California
Timothy H. Bishop, New York
John Boccieri, Ohio
Robert Brady, Pennsylvania
Michael E. Capuano, Massachusetts
Dennis A. Cardoza, California
Christopher P. Carney, Pennsylvania
William Lacy Clay, Missouri
Gerald E. Connolly, Virginia
Jim Costa, California
Jerry F. Costello, Illinois
Joe Courtney, Connecticut
Joseph Crowley, New York
Henry Cuellar, Texas
Kathy Dahlkemper, Pennsylvania
Peter DeFazio, Oregon
William D. Delahunt, Massachusetts
Rosa L. DeLauro, Connecticut
John D. Dingell, Michigan
Joe Donnelly, Indiana
Michael F. Doyle, Pennsylvania
Steve Driehaus, Ohio
Brad Ellsworth, Indiana
Anna Eshoo, California
Kirsten E. Gillibrand, New York
Charlie Gonzalez, Texas
Raul M. Grijalva, Arizona
Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois
John J. Hall, New York
Phil Hare, Illinois
Brian Higgins, New York
Maurice D. Hinchey, New York
Ruben Hinojosa, Texas
Paul Kanjorski, Pennsylvania.
Marcy Kaptur, Ohio
Patrick J. Kennedy, Rhode Island
Dale E. Kildee, Michigan
Mary Jo Kilroy, Ohio
Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona
Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio
James R. Langevin, Rhode Island
John B. Larson, Connecticut
Ben Ray Lujan, New Mexico
Dan Maffei, New York
Betsy Markey, Colorado
Ed Markey, Massachusetts
Eric Massa, New York
Carolyn McCarthy, New York
Betty McCollum, Minnesota
James P. McGovern, Massachusetts
Jerry McNerney, California
Michael H. Michaud, Maine
George Miller, California
Harry E. Mitchell, Arizona
James P. Moran, Virginia
Patrick J. Murphy, Pennsylvania
John P. Murtha, Pennsylvania.
Grace F. Napolitano, California
Richard E. Neal, Massachusetts
James L. Oberstar, Minnesota
David R. Obey, Wisconsin
Frank Pallone, New Jersey
Bill Pascrell, New Jersey
Ed Pastor, Arizona
Nancy Pelosi, California
Tom Perriello, Virginia
Charles B. Rangel, New York
Silvestre Reyes, Texas
Ciro D. Rodriguez, Texas
Lucille Roybal-Allard, California
Tim Ryan, Ohio
John T. Salazar, Colorado
Linda T. Sanchez, California
Loretta Sanchez, California
Jose E. Serrano, New York
Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania
Carol Shea-Porter, New Hampshire
Albio Sires, New Jersey
Hilda L. Solis, California
Bart Stupak, Michigan
Ellen Tauscher, California
Mike Thompson, California
Paul Tonko, New York
Nydia M. Velazquez, New York
Peter J. Visclosky, Indiana
Diane E. Watson, California
Peter Welch, Vermont
Charles A. Wilson, Ohio
Thank you for the links. My jaw dropped when I read the little tweet…gave impression to me that the Bishops embraced the bill….I will stop my knee jerk reactions to stuff. I promise.
This is not too different from Sam Brownback who, when asked if he would support a pro-choice Republican candidate, replied, yes you have to stick with the party.
As my young sons reminded me…stupak backwards is KA puts…we should have known what he was going to
pull. I am disappointed. I hope the RTL will no longer endorse him. He has failed us, and more importantly he has failed in his duty to God to protect the innocent.
Stupak doesn’t even get a souvenir pen, but Sr. Keehan does. See NRO here:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDY5NjQzNDNiYTcyNzRjOTRiNmNhN2FlMGQ5NDVjOWY=
There are Pro-life Republicans, and Pro-choice Republicans…. but there is NO SUCH THING as a Pro-Life Democrat… it is not an issue to be “moderated” in their political view.
As my students say, when confronted with someone who has betrayed them: “Loooo-sahhhh!”
Nice catch. “We were set up” and this was a show directed by the dems to look like they care about the Pro-life movement. Everyone who has eyes should see and ears should hear.
I posted in a hurry above with the list. Rep Jack Murtha is obviously dead and did not vote. I pull the 9 Catholic votes out of the list and forgot about the dead guy, although had Jack been a live to cast his vote I’m sure he would be in the yes vote company.
Looks like there are plenty of Bishops who should publically rebuke those Catholics how voted for this.
Comment by priest up north — 23 March 2010 @ 11:25 am:
He never signed the executive order. It was just a political sham.
When I saw Stupak’s turnaround, I thought that maybe the whole thing might had been a setup. It looks phony.
I have just been to the funeral Mass of a baptised baby, (here in Sydney), who lived only a few days. This life mattered both to the relatives and to God. The lives of the unborn also matter to God. He will not leave their killing unpunished.
John 6:54: Let’s not forget the 19 other Democrats (some Catholic) who did vote against the bill in the end — they too need our prayers, for protection, wisdom and discernment. I know one of them was Congressman Dan Lipinski of Illinois. He is Catholic and cited abortion as one of several reasons he switched his vote from “yes” in November (when the Stupak Amendment was included) to “no” this time.
In the long run I still believe it would be best to have a pro-life presence in BOTH parties, so that the pro-life movement does not lose everything it has gained whenever the inevitable swings of public opinion take place and people tire of one party’s rule and switch to the other.
But given that the present leadership of the Democratic Party is firmly committed to promoting abortion on demand, and has made it virtually impossible for pro-life Democrats to have any support or influence in the party, the only way to effect that change is to make an all-out effort to defeat EVERY Democrat who runs for office at any level for the foreseeable future. When the Dems lose the White House, Congress, multiple governor’s mansions and state legislatures, etc. and does so repeatedly over several election cycles, then maybe they will get the message that they can no longer afford to diss pro-lifers.
Genuinely pro-life Democrats such as Rep. Lipinski and the 18 others who voted “no” on the bill should be encouraged to consider switching their party affiliation to Republican or Independent. If they stick with the Dems, however, I think we should vote against them unless they happen to be running against a staunchly pro-abort, grossly incompetent or corrupt Republican — and in that case, I’d probably go third party or not vote at all.
Something else to keep in mind: Yes, I was outraged by Stupak’s last minute cave in and I hope the voters of his district send him (pardon the pun) Stu-paking in November. That being said, let’s not pile on him too much. Until just a few months ago hardly anyone outside of Michigan had ever heard of him. Suddenly he becomes a national figure and he ends up at ground zero of the most heated and controversial Congressional vote in decades. He said prior to the vote that he had been forced to disconnect his home phone because he was getting harassing phone calls at all hours of the day and night. Plus we have no idea what kind of pressure Obama and Pelosi were putting on him. Just following the debate drove me crazy with stress and anxiety — imagine what it did to him and the other members of his coalition. They still need our prayers too.
Stupak’s vote was not a last minute cave in. It was carefully orchestrated and he intended to vote yes all along. For most “catholic” democrats politics is their religion…it isn’t Catholicism.
He was looking for some pork. He got it and he bolted. He’s a democrat, what can I say?
I hope the whole damn bunch of them lose their jobs in December.
Er, November. The sooner the better.
You know, when Thomas More and Martin Luther were exchanging polemical letters over the Reformation, Thomas More wrote of Luther’s lies that he was ashamed even to discuss them, because “while I clean out the fellow’s shit-filled mouth I see my own fingers covered with shit.”
That’s about how I feel about even discussing the so-called “Catholic” Democrats. Maybe it isn’t the saintliest of language to use, but their words and actions are so revolting that they aren’t deserving of saintly language. Where is our Thomas More, the politician who honestly serves the public while truly upholding the Church?
St. Thomas More, pray for us!
I stopped putting my faith in either the Republican or Democratic parties years ago. The Republicans are acting like petulant children. They couldn’t stop the bill, so now they’re holding up Congress by not voting to extend work past the statutory 2pm close. I’m sure the Democrats would find obstructionist means if the angst were on their side. I’m also convinced that most GOP lawmakers care about the economics of health care. Abortion isn’t the main concern of most GOP pols. This entire bill is a textbook example of the utterly dysfunctional nature of a two-party bicameral system.
It may be true that the Church and the faithful have nowhere to turn but the GOP. GOP behavior as of late has been frightening, to say the least. If we must vote for one party, we must also be cognizant of the dysfunction our votes implicitly support.
I’m an independent, tired student. But the disfunction is almost entirely on the democratic side this year, from Obama to Al Gore, from Pelosi to this health care fiasco. They’ve been the scary ones.
The system itself, regardless of party, is corrupt and dysfunctional. Our founding fathers predicted it when they said that to remain viable as a nation we as a people must rely on God. We haven’t. We’ve taken God out of schools, out of the public square and substituted “it’s all about me” for what should be proper and moral values. Rome, Part II. Pray
Bill Haley There is a difference, though. Even a pro-abortion Republican will vote for a Republican Senate Majority leader and a Republican House Speaker, both of whom will be pro-life. A ‘pro-life’ Democrat (oxymoron) will vote for pro abortion leadership.
Big difference.
Consider this:
This is a moment in the life of the Republic (what’s left of it) that, like every other political answer to a moral question, defines the next stage in either the building up, or tearing down, of that institution. Any institution guided by man is able to be perverted by man. Our faith speaks to the hereafter. Satan uses our desires for the ‘here and now’ to cloud the vision of what can be with empty promises of making it easy in this life so as to forfeit the next.
While respecting the OFFICE of our joint and several bishops, we should not forget that they are human like the rest of us, and subject, just a much, to the sins we all face: pride, covetness, etc. That they were or appear to be useful pawns as individuals does not lessen their office per se, but certainly makes me wonder just what they were thinking. The old saying…you lie with dogs, you get fleas certainly applies here…and appearances count. The opponent knows this. And you can say what you want, rail mightily against the orchestrators of this. But, give them credit for absolutely deflecting the USCCB as a whole, to the point that they accept the legislation with the necessary ‘but…’ tagged at the end in an attempt to at least salvage some of their (now minimal) authority to speak with any sort of power.
The 8th beatitude from St. Matthew’s Gospel: “Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” is the fate of the now sanctioned and paid for millions of people who will die with the overt support, encouragement, and active participation of the the government. Remember about the here and now? (as a real aside, think of the effect of removing 40+ million taxpayers from the tax rolls through abortion…people who could have contributed to society…instead, they were thrown away…that’s 40 million FEWER people to support a system that were originally projected to be contributing to its support when all these give=aways were imposed on us…talk about the practical effect of a moral decision…). We leave it up to God to have mercy on their immortal souls…never before in history have so many been destroyed in the name of ‘being a burden’; never before have so many in history been sacrificed, and untold millions more will now be murdered with state sanction and encouragement.
We have a choice to make. Christ’s way is not easy. Our society has started down an unsustainable road of entitlement without total takeover of all means of production (GM anyone?), disbursement (this horrendous piece of legislation), career (wait for it…), and living means (confiscatory taxation by the war power of the state…) to a system of total dependence and subjection to ‘the government’. Because it’s all about the here and now…not the world to come, but RIGHT NOW.
Forget the politicians. They (like us) will have their particular judgment. They are pawns in a wider game that stretches beyond mortal existence. Our problem (and it’s just as endemic on the good as well as the evil side) is that we actually have been lulled into thinking that they actually serve us. The majority doesn’t; they serve themselves first. Never forget that, demoncrat or republican. But do remember the ones who, exhibit at least one molecule of self-respect and ability to stand for something good. They are few and far between, and suffer the fate of say, Rick Santorum, who was, without a second thought, thrown under the bus by someone, for his own ends, he visibly and vocally supported. I’m sure he learned his lesson and has moved forward.
Focus on what’s important. It’s not the here and now. That will end soon enough. Pray hard. Eternity is a Really, Really Long Time.
ECHIEF, Bryan, sejoga, et al, This is the homily we all needed to hear on Healthcare Sunday: http://www.stmarysgvl.org/discipleship/audio-homilies?song=780&homilyTitle=Fifth Sunday of Lent
new Stupak interview in Slate: http://www.slate.com/id/2248663/
The more he speaks, the more pathetic he sounds.
money quote for those in his district:
When I asked the congressman about the highly political environment surrounding the bill’s passage, he said: “I’d rather lose my seat over something like this, a good piece of health care legislation that I believe in. And if I lose my seat over it, well, maybe it was worth it.”
I hope this man is forced to find new employment at the end of the year.
Way to go, Bishops! You’ve done it again. I hope you will eventually able to remove that hook, line, and sinker you swallowed when Stupak and company came fishing for your support.
Perhaps Sister Carol will now take Rep. Stupak out to dinner, using her black American Express card, and paying for it with that $850,000 stipend she receives?
This is infuriating and highly embarrassing to the Church.
As I said, where are our bishops reprimanding this man, this nun, so called Catholic politicians who vote for funding and campaigning for abortion????
What does it take for excommunication?
Of course what does it take for treason these days???
Does it really matter? In the end, he became just one more lemming over the cliff.
Bert Who?