FIRST note that the 24 April Pontifical Mass for the anniversary of the inauguration of Pope Benedict’s pontificate will go on.
I received this PRESS RELEASE from the Paulus Institute:
In consultation with His Eminence, Dario Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, The Paulus Institute has
agreed to seek another celebrant for the Pontifical Solemn High Mass taking place on April 24th.
This action will help maintain the solemnity, reverence and beauty of the Mass.The Paulus Institute was formed for the propagation of sacred liturgy. The Traditional Latin
Mass planned for April 24th honoring Pope Benedict on his five-year inauguration anniversary is
a liturgical event much bigger than the individual celebrant. Cardinal Castrillon was approached
to celebrate the Mass early in what has been a three-year effort because of his special experience
in celebrating this form of Mass and his efforts under Pope John-Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI
in encouraging the traditional form of the Mass, full liturgy and sacraments.We are in the process of seeking another Bishop to celebrate a Pontifical Solemn Mass on
Saturday and are confident that one will agree. However, in any event, a beautiful, dignified
Traditional Latin Mass will be celebrated at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception
on Saturday at 1PM and will be the first time in nearly a half century this has occurred. All
Catholic faithful are encouraged to attend.The Paulus Institute regards all sexual abuse as tragic and a heinous sin and supports Pope
Benedict’s fight to rid this disease from the Church. It stands on the side of every victim of
clerical sexual abuse and earnestly desires to bind up the wounds done to their human dignity, to
vindicate their civil and canonical rights, and to help them in the restoration in Christ of all they
have lost.To that end, The Paulus Institute supports the directives by the Supreme Roman Pontiff and the
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops that all bishops should report crimes of sexual
abuse to the police in accordance with the requirements of civil law. However, the Paulus
Institute is not competent, nor does it have the facts, to form an opinion about the about recent
media reports concerning Cardinal Castrillon.The Paulus Institute requests respect for the human dignity and civil rights of all who participate
in this sacred liturgy and observance for the tranquility and good order of the celebration.
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Unfortunate, but not unexpected. I pray that they will be able to find another bishop on such short notice, as I’m really looking forward to attending.
Maybe Archbishop Burke? Or Bishop Finn?
Either would be good choices.
Maybe Bp Morlino, or Bp Cordileone, hmmmmm, or maybe a retired Cardinal, praying something may come up
Perhaps they can ask our favorite bishop (Bp. Cordileone) if he’s available. ;)
How about Abp Raymond Burke?? The ticket is still good from Rome – DC, isn’t it (assuming that the planes are still flying)??
God forgive me for making a rash judgment, if in fact, this is one, but that damned SNAP, demonic, Church hating, priest hating, organization, has once again, pressured the Church into some kind of compliance. That group is originated from the depths of hell; they have no love for God, for the Church, for victims; they are out for blood, for the destruction of the Church, for the complete decimation of the bishops and the priests. They need prayers and penance for the sake of their souls, big time.
I read a press release from David Cloughessy, leader of this group, about protesting Card. Castrillon earlier today, and I am just fit to be tied that he got his way.
When will somebody put their foot down and tell these money hungry, priest hating bigots to “put a sock in it”?
Joe: Wow, we both had the same bishop in mind. We posted at the same time — great minds think alike ;)
I’m glad that this is on its way to being resolved. A demonstration outside the Cathedral would just be an ugly distraction. Frankly, if what I’ve heard is true, Cardinal Castrillon has said some pretty unfortunate things, although who knows what is true. Prior to Benedict XVI taking over in 2002, I don’t think many people at the Vatican were really taking the situation seriously.
However, the Paulus Institute is not competent, nor does it have the facts, to form an opinion about the about recent media reports concerning Cardinal Castrillon.
How embarrassing that the Paulus Institute is not willing to defend the holy Cardinal Castrillon, whose only faults are defending the secrecy of the internal forum and being loyal to the Holy Father. [Perhaps you also don’t have all the facts in the matter.]
Interesting. Though this is not directly related I think it could be a precursor of the Pope’s planned trip to britian. Depending on public pressure and simple PR, it’s possible IMO we will see the trip “delayed”.
kradcliffr wrote: A demonstration outside the Cathedral would just be an ugly distraction.
I fear there might be protesters nonetheless…I hope not.
See you all there.
I hate that this has happened but I was a bit worried about the whole thing turning into a media circus.
“How embarrassing that the Paulus Institute is not willing to defend the holy Cardinal Castrillon, whose only faults are defending the secrecy of the internal forum …”
You forgot to mention possibly encouraging a prelate to violate civil law by enabling or otherwise harboring a felon (a violation of canon law, at the least), and even broaching an “internal forum” matter to begin with, if that is indeed what it was. Until the above is established conclusively (and the latter issue may never be), the Institute took the only appropriate (and most charitable) stance that it could, in abdicating from any judgment.
Whoever they get as a replacement would have to be competent to celebrate a Pontifical Mass, is currently in North America given the overseas travel situation at present, and can clear his schedule on very short notice.
Someone who is retired, perhaps. Beyond that, I’d rather not say.
Where is the American Hierarchy on this matter? People like Archbishop Chaput and others of like mind should volunteer for this duty. Why do we have to have a member of the hierarchy from Italy do such a thing? Indeed, it should be the Archbishop of Washington, DC, that celebrates this Mass but we all know, don’t we, why that will not happen. It is the Upside-Down Church, my friends, and we are all at a loss for it.
The Archbishop of Washington has a prior commitment out of town, and to be unavailable for the occasion is no reflection on him, whether he knew the Pontifical Mass or not.
My vote would be for Archbishop Burke. He knows how to say it, and his presence would be much appreciated.
..and when the world hates you
remember
it hated me first.
Hmmm. I just realized about the flight situation. Well, here in the United States, I would think Bishop Bruskewitz or Bishop Finn could do handle it.
If one looks to Auxiliaries, there are quite a few who would know what they are doing vis-a-vis a Pontifical Mass in the EF. Praying that this works itself out.
manwithblackhat, I agree.
And I’m grateful to the Paulus Institute for this decision.
Why not Bishop Perry, auxiliary of Chicago? He has celebrated the TLM on EWTN before. If his schedule is free, I think he would be a great choice.
Excellent decision. Shows the pressure is working.
jbalza007, indeed, great minds do think alike…
Oneros,
You want “the pressure” to “work”? What is that supposed to mean?
Archbishop Chaput does not offer the EF as far as I know but I do know that both he and probably most other bishops have full schedules set long in advance. I do hope that a bishop will be able to be found to offer this beautiful Mass.
A shame that the Cardinal must bow out due to public threats.
Since Bishop Perry is not so well known as the others mentioned as possibilities, he might be identified as the black auxiliary bishop of Chicago who occasionally celebrates the TLM at St. John Cantius Church.
When Bishop Perry celebrated a TLM on EWTN a year or two ago, I tried to remember how many bishops (if any) I’d seen in the past half century with his episcopal bearing and gravitas. What a wonderful choice he would be!
I’m sorry. What happened here exactly?
Perhaps I’m out of the loop because I don’t live in America, but, what exactly is going on in this case.
Was the Cardinal’s invitation to celebrate the Mass cancelled? What for?
I think that was an excellent response in light of everything and I appreciate their concern for the victims.
Maybe in the future the Cardinal can shed some light on the letter.
@Flambeaux
Oneros is one of those who would probably be out with any SNAP protestors, at the risk of sounding uncharitable. His posts blasting priests and bishops on this site are evidence enough, if you want to look.
Ignore him. He is not worth a response, only our prayers and penances on his behalf.
Prof. Basto, see
https://wdtprs.com/2010/04/card-castrillon-praised-that-french-bishop-why-something-missing-from-the-reporting/
Has Father Z called in and say he’d be willing to celebrate the Mass? [Fr. Z cannot be celebrant for a Pontifical Mass. They need a bishop for that.]
Henry Edwards,
Many thanks.
I just arrived from a business trip so I’m catching up to Fr. Z’s most recent posts.
What about Archbishop Gomez? Now there’s the man of the hour!
Does Cardinal Rigali of Philadelphia celebrate the TLM? He would be fairly close.
You forgot to mention possibly encouraging a prelate to violate civil law by enabling or otherwise harboring a felon
A felon is someone who has been convicted of a felony. And if a prelate only knows of a priest’s crime from the confessional, or even (IMHO) spiritual direction, and the civil law requires him to disclose those crimes, then he should be encouraged to violate civil law.
Please do take the trouble to do a Google search on this matter and you will see the media reports from nine years ago which mention the seal of confession. Here is one:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/france/02/23/religion.france.paedophilia/
The Paulus Institute could have done this very thing – it would have taken them no more than an hour or so on the outside.
and even broaching an “internal forum” matter to begin with
Not sure what you mean here – there is nothing wrong with Bp. Pican writing to Card. Castrillon, then the Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, and telling him that he heard the confession of the priest in question and asking for advice.
the Institute took the only appropriate (and most charitable) stance that it could, in abdicating from any judgment
No, it would have been more charitable to start from the assumption that the good Cardinal had done nothing wrong, and then spent a brief amount of time researching the matter.
torch,
Thanks. I don’t know that I’d noticed his comments before. SNAP is an evil organization, as far as I’m concerned.
I may regret posting this, but here it goes.
If I were going, I would be pulling out. Giving into the Secular plague’s threats now cheapens this particular Mass.
nazareth priest-you hit the nail on the head, and read my mind, big time! Thank you!
How dare these people put ‘political’ pressure to bear on the Mass! I am so sick and tired of reading their screeds and their trashing the Church! Why doesn’t SNAP and their cohorts just shut their yaps? All they’re looking for is money!
OK, enough venting…breathing easier and calming down…Bishop Bruskiewitz or Bishop Finn sound good. Even Bishop Burke, too!
“You want “the pressure” to “work”? What is that supposed to mean?”
Accountability.
One thing on SNAP, and those that compare it to something from hell or hellish.
It was unfortunate that some victims were ignored and mistreated and that a group like this had to start in the first place. It is sad and it was hellish for them to go through something like that and then have Church officials revictimize them OR turn their back on them. This is not every case, but far too many times it happened.
With the absence of clarity on behalf of the Cardinal, and the letter being confusing at best, the response that the Paulus Institute gave would give me hope and trust.
It is also frustrating that some victims have no choice but to go to groups outside of the church. This shouldn’t be. This is changing but it is slow and painful.
Too bad the Holy Mass will be offered in DC. Archbishop Curtiss of Omaha (ret.) has done ordinations for the FSSP in Nebraska and is a very capable and moving preacher.
“[T]here is nothing wrong with Bp. Pican writing to Card. Castrillon, then the Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, and telling him that he heard the confession of the priest in question and asking for advice …”
Actually, there is everything wrong with discussing particular confessional matters outside the confessional. At the very least, it is a matter of extraordinary delicacy.
“No, it would have been more charitable to start from the assumption that the good Cardinal had done nothing wrong, and then spent a brief amount of time researching the matter.”
Not nearly as charitable as making no assumptions at all. I won’t be using this venue to defend myself further, because I get my information from better sources than a combox. I “take the trouble” just fine, thank you very much.
There’s not the slightest doubt in my mind that Archbishop Chaput knows how to celebrate the EF but whether he chooses to do so is another matter entirely. But as has been pointed out, there are others who could do so and Cardinal Rigali is certainly one of them. Only when our American prelates step up to the plate will I be satisfied that they are in “full communion” with Summorum Pontificum and, indeed, with Pope Benedict XVI. How about it Your Highnesses/Eminences? Is SNAP going to have veto power over our liturgy?
I just nominated you to replace him.
“Fr. Z cannot celebrate a pontifical Mass….”
At present. ;)
In light of the current controversy regarding this subject, the fact that clarifications are still being made and more understanding is needed, I think the decision is indeed a prudent one. There are times when prudence can be considered a virtue!
[Fr. Z cannot be celebrant for a Pontifical Mass. They need a bishop for that.]
Let’s see–get the papal appointment by 9am Malta time Thursday; announcement in Rome by noon, get Archbishop Nienstedt to consecrate on the way to the airport Friday morning; pick up white buskins, gloves, crozier, ring, precious/simple mitres at Leaflet Missal Friday after consecration; arrive in Washington Friday evening and rehearse with assistant priests, deacon, and subdeacon; press conference Saturday morning. Arrange to have the purple cassock, zuchetto, and cleanly pressed rochet waiting for you at the Shrine. Looks like you’re set! (The gold buckles for the shoes will, unfortuately, have to wait.) [Forever.]
In Christ,
I agree with you guys about SNAP, and I’m tentatively assuming that Cardinal Castrillon was in the right on this one, but the Paulus Society is trying to have a nice prayerful Mass, not to make headlines or a political statement. I would guess that the Cardinal is on the same page with that.
The Archbishop of Washington has a prior commitment out of town, and to be unavailable for the occasion is no reflection on him, whether he knew the Pontifical Mass or not.
Comment by manwithblackhat — 21 April 2010 @ 12:47 pm
Then why was it announced in The Catholic Standard, the Archdiocesan newspaper, that Archbishop Wuerl and Cardinal Baum would be in attendance.
I am very disappointed in this decision (assuming this wasn’t the Cardinal’s decision) and am reconsidering attending the mass. Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos is a good and holy man. He certainly made an error in judgment in what he said in the letter, but it doesn’t come close to covering up child abuse or transferring know abusers like some Bishops, who retain the full honors in the church. The Institute admits they don’t have the facts. This appears to be buckling under to some pressure group that doesn’t have the best interest of the Church in mind.
“Then why was it announced in The Catholic Standard …”
I have no idea. I live in the Arlington Diocese, and I don’t read the Standard. Maybe he really wanted to be at the Pontifical Mass, but was really REALLY needed somewhere else. Trust me, they’ll muddle through without him. Geeeez!
Cardinal Castrillon celebrated a most wonderful Mass in Westminster Cathedral two years ago. He delivered a message from the Holy Father which I had thought never to hear in my lifetime: that the (EF) Mass was to be preserved and given back to us never to be taken away again.
A full Pontifical High Mass in the old rite by a Cardinal is a sight truly to be seen. Regardless of the circumstances of the change of celebrant, I do hope the US authorities don’t simply substitute some hapless stand-in at the last minute. It needs a man of similar status to His emminence. The significance of this Mass in particular, its restauration and solemnity must not be allowed to be overshadowed by distractions.
Either Cardinal Rigali or Archbishop Raymond Burke would be a good choice for a celebrant.
I don’t know if Card. Rigali has celebrated a public TLM since the NOM became the “ordinary form.” He hasn’t celebrated a Pontifical Mass to the best of my knowledge (I think I would have heard about it – I live in Philadelphia).
I think the Institute is doing the right thing here. There is no reason to draw this Mass into the center of the storm that is swirling around the Cardinal right now. I can’t even imagine how superlatively excited the left (inside and outside the Church) would be to broadcast this — it would go a very long way toward the identification of Benedict’s reform (especially of the liturgy) with sexual abuse.
They love to pretend that the bad guy is stalking about in a cassock or traditional habit and speaking Latin — reflections of a hierarchical and dogmatic Church. The reality, that the pervert and the bishop who refused to defrock him are most likely progressivists sitting around in a pair of cut off jean shorts and a Hawaiian shirt, doesn’t seem to impugn the Church quite so much.
Whatever comes of the case against Card. Hoyos, he is currently public enemy number 1, and placing him in a highly public offering of a traditional Mass in honor of the election of Pope Benedict is more than the press could ever dream of. Chris Matthews probably has a tingly feeling in his legs just thinking about it.
Some of the comments above seem to be criticizing bishops for not being available for this. That is a bit much.
Is a bishop supposed to drop other commitments–in his own diocese–to fly to another diocese for this? If they do so, God bless them for being so generous, but to fault anyone for not doing so is too much.
Cardinal Canizares Llovera or Archbishop Burke.
Bishop Joseph Perry, Auxiliary Bishop of Chicago. He celebrated an Pontifical Mass for the Institute of Christ the King on Epiphany in 2009: http://www.institute-christ-king.org/news/95/92/First-Pontifical-High-Mass-at-the-Shrine/
So what was his eminence’s exuse?.
In an article about Jesuits who celebrate the TLM, there were two North American bishops: Corrada of Tyler TX and Prendergast of Ottawa. Considering the scarcity of Jesuit bishops, I’d guess there should be a few available. Are abbots also able to celebrate a Pontifical Mass? I seem to remember reading about one at Clear Creek recently…
This whole thing is extremely sad. Only last Sunday I was wondering if Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos was related to Bernardo Hoyos SJ (1711-1735) who was being beatified then.
irishgirl: Thanks.
Mrs.O: The decision of the Paulus Institute is their decision, for whatever reason. I am not commenting upon this.
In a news report earlier today, SNAP was cited as giving a protest to the Cardinal offering this Mass.
My problem is not with the Paulus Institute.
SNAP is hellish; I am sorry to say this and it sounds awful and derogatory.
About a year ago this group made a major stink in our diocese over allegations about a dead priest; it was handled by the diocese (not well enough, to their judgment), but all that seemed to be important was money and dragging the Church and the bishops, some of them deceased, into the mud. They got nowhere, but the media blitz was there.
But there is a present incident, which is indicative of all of their activity, where one of their members has brought an accusation, second-hand, mind you, against a priest, that has caused his suspension and a media frenzy, which originally said it might have been with a minor, but now is being said was with an adult…his name is ruined; he may never be able to function as a priest again; from my sources, it is not true. How the heck is this justice? How does this help any victims? These people, as I said before, are out for blood and they don’t give a rat’s behind who they trample upon, as long as they get to trash the Church.
The way SNAP was born is was it unfortunately is.
So, why not invite them into the Mass at the Cathedral? Personal invitation?
I do not agree with all their techniques.
I’m surprised no one suggested Bishop Fellay. He has my vote.
This is dreadful news, but we can still celebrate the news of the first TLM at the baldachine altar in the National Basilica, on the Pope’s anniversary no less (and for his intentions). Nobody should cancel his travel plans. This will a great day in the history of the Catholic Church in the United States, and a victory over the modernists.
Send Bishop Conley (Auxiliary Bishop of Denver)!
Here is the article about SNAP’s protest against Cardinal Castrillon offering the TLM on April 24:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/21/catholic-activists-protest-vatican-official-mass/
I second Fr. Fox @ 5:16pm — it is a tall order to find a bishop who is not already bespoke. This is last minute, and most bishops will
have commitments elsewhere. Add to that the need to have a bishop who is already familiar with the complex ceremonial, and I’d
say that Paulus will be fortunate to fill the spot.
I can understand His Eminence withdrawing from his commitment. My guess is that all parties thought it best to keep the Mass from
becoming a circus. Such a shame.
As for SNAP, I think their methods are beneath contempt. They seem to be indifferent to the likelihood that, in their rage, they’ve not
only targeted the guilty but also destroyed the lives of innocent men and ruined the names of innocent dead. They act like a mob.
However, I think that Mrs. O”s idea to invite them in to the Mass might be a source of reconciliation for some.
I really hope someone in charge does make the offer to invite them (SNAP).
Because I think a lot is anger and rage which when properly applied is the correct thing, if not, destructive.
Also, from what I hear about the Cardinal, he was good at reaching out/reconciliation/penance/conversion. He may not be the ideal one, but the TLM community could do that anyway.
I don’t think anyone else said this, but I find it very “interesting” that this letter has come to light so close to the Mass. It seems almost orchestrated. Let’s let this letter out close enough for there to be an uproar and maybe they’ll have to cancel such a HOLY Mass because of it. To me it is another sign that people do NOT want the EF celebrated. Pray, pray, pray for the Church and all our Holy Priests!!!!
Mrs.O: You are more compassionate than I am. It would be a great gesture to invite them to this Mass.
Unfortunately, I don’t know that many, if any, practice the Catholic Faith anymore. Still. It might be a moment of grace.
I am sorry if my intemperate comments seemed hateful; I am very stirred up right now about their move against this priest, wrongly accused, who presently has no “rights”…he’s condemned by just an allegation. The diocese, according to the present rules, had to act, because it was alleged he abused a minor. That’s the present situation.
All of priests are very vulnerable right now; any kind of allegation, second-hand, even, could get us suspended. We need your prayers and support. Thanks.
Oh, I completely understand, NP.
Everyone deserves a fair trial. EVERYONE.
That is hard to remember when some things are sensitive.
We need a bishop capable of responding at a moments notice anywhere in the world, connected at all levels both personally and technologically, liturgically adept, sonorous of voice, headquartered in an icy lair – his loyal manservant Fra Alfred with cappa at the ready, utility cincture stocked with missal/Kindle, I-Phone, seed/suet, etc….Hmmm
m
Responding to Mr. Edwards’s comment about Episcopal gravitas, another bishop I know who exudes this is +Glen Provost of Lake Charles, LA.
Mrs O
While I admire your optimistic perspective on the one hand, on the other I think you fail to see the true motivation of many SNAP members and supporters. They want confrontation. They do not want a solution nor do they want inclusion. Their life goal is to make the Church pay (in every way you can define pay) for the alleged actions of a small percentage of clergy. They seek to bring the entire Church to its knees even though most of the alleged offenders (again I emphasize that is a small percentage of the clergy) are deceased. Inviting SNAP to the Mass would, I suspect, result in them declining to participate. If they did attend I suspect they would disrupt the service in order to capitalize on media attention.
How about:
Bishop Bernard Fellay
Bishop Richard Williamson
Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais or
Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta?
I understand His Grace the Bishop Williamson has some free time on his hands…
I don’t think a gesture could hurt much, Exchief.
They may decline but maybe not.
time to pray again to Our Lady….
cannot “shoot” the mass, then “shoot” the celebrant.. sigh
The Paulus Institute is a private enterprise run and supported by a handful of people. They have been working for two years to get this mass at the Shrine together. The members of the Institute have borne many of the costs of the event by themselves. They are invested in this up to their teeth.
More to the point, if you had seen the state of traditionalism here in DC nine years ago, you would have never dreamed of a day it would step out of the indult parish and make it to the “Big Show” at the Shrine.
Whenever there is a big mass at the Shrine, protesters show up. They yell out during the Mass, charge around in the aisles,wear rainbow sashes and disrupt communion. Ushers and Knights of Columbus have to throw them out, sometimes kicking and screaming. It always happens, because the nuts know where to come if they feel like throwing a fit for the greatest effect.
What I mean to say is that there is much, much more riding on this than the reputation of Cardinal Hoyos.
If everyone hangs tough in this situation, and Hoyos comes, the nuts won’t just be passing out fliers. They’ll be in the Church. They’ll be yelling and disrupting the homily. They’ll be making protests at the communion rail.
All on international television, and in front of what promises to be thousands of worshipers on site. These audiences will not just consist of adoring traddys, you know.
Your detractors will be watching, too. And as soon as this becomes about the personalities of the people involved and not the Holy Sacrifice, you will have wasted all of the sacrifice, risk, and work on behalf of the EF that this mass represents. You’ll help set the restoration back.
Does anyone who cares about the old mass want that? I know Paulus doesn’t. I know Hoyos doesn’t.
But it seems some of the lotus eating rectitudinalists in this combox don’t care.
For those who have mentioned Archbishop Wuerl, and his whereabouts, he will be in Atlanta that weekend. Friday night, April 23 is the Annual Cardinals Dinner for CUA. It is the main black-tie fundraiser for us. And as the Chancellor of CUA, His Excellency will be in attendance.
Dubya: Now is the time to rally to Paulus’s–and the Holy Father’s–defense. It will be a TRIDENTINE Mass. Who cares who celebrates? If the Cardinal had died, would they have stayed home? What crybabies.
I haven’t read ALL of these comments, but, if my memory serves me correctly, the Arch-Diocese of Washington falls under the jurisdiction fo the Metropolitan Arch-Diocese of Baltimore, as does the Dioceses of Northern Virginia and Richmond. Do any of these bishops and Metropolitan Archbishop know how to celebrate the EF Mass?
Suggesting SSPX Bishops is probably NOT the best idea I have ever seen in these com boxes !
It is interesting to note that this is given reasonable prominence on the BBC website (and teletext on the TV) in the UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8636402.stm.
It again smacks of “the even handed, non judgmental, non partisan, facts only” reporting of the BBC. – I will know REMOVE my tongue from my cheek !
Nazareth priest is right. Someone in the Church needs to grow some “spiritual” stones. But not in America, apparently.
All I know is that the local TLM people have said that there will be a Mass. My guess is that unless a bishop steps forward then they will downgrade it to whatever the fanciest Mass a priest can say and have that instead. It is very suspicious how this came out only a few days before the Mass so that it likely would be cancelled.
I think Trautman’s busy that day.
Plus they would need to bring in the Rocketts from NYC
for liturgical dancing.
How about Bishop Fellay and a nice Traditional Mass?
I haven’t read ALL of these comments, but, if my memory serves me correctly, the Arch-Diocese of Washington falls under the jurisdiction fo the Metropolitan Arch-Diocese of Baltimore, as does the Dioceses of Northern Virginia and Richmond. Do any of these bishops and Metropolitan Archbishop know how to celebrate the EF Mass?
Comment by gambletrainman
1. DC is an archdiocese. Therefore, it does not fall under the jurisdiction of Baltimore or any other diocese.
2. Metropolitan archbishops have no juridical authority over their suffragan dioceses. The Metropolitan of a province has certain rights, e.g., calling provincial councils and naming a vicar in case of vacancy (cf Scranton).
New plan of action:
Papal decree nullifying any understanding of the a divinis suspension of Msgr. Fellay, in time for His Lordship to celebrate!
Whatever one thinks of the SSPX, Msgr. Fellay is one of the most level-headed, right-minded, CATHOLIC prelates I’ve ever seen.
Any suggestion of a prelate who is not in perfect communion with Rome would be completely inappropriate, and cannot possibly be taken seriously. I would assume anyone who brings it up is only kidding, except that there are so many of you.
Comment by Fr Martin Fox — 21 April 2010 @ 5:16 pm
What this guy said.
“… lotus eating rectitudinalists in this combox don’t care.” Comment by Dubya Ay-See — 21 April 2010 @ 10:00 pm
Ditto for this guy.
Uh… what am I missing here?
It looks like intelligent people are having a serious conversation with “Mrs. O” about “inviting” SNAP to the Mass in Washington, D.C.
What exactly does it mean to extend an “invitation” to a person or group of people to attend Holy Mass? I saw the announcement. I consider myself invited. Isn’t that the way it works?
What am I missing here?
Both Cardinal Baum and Cardinal Rigali were ordained when the TLM was the, ahem, Ordinary Form of Holy Mass in the Latin Rite. So, although it might take a bit of refreshing oneself with the rubrics from the Traditional Books (Pontifical), I presume either one could substitute for Cardinal Hoyos, if they had a mind to and if the demands of office did not interfere. Bishop Conley, currently assistant at Denver, would be a good choice but not nearly as well known as the two Cardinals. Also, one must remember that the celebrant at such pontifical masses has the able assistance of a Master of Ceremonies, taken from the ranks of those intimately familiar with the rubrics (the FSSP for example).
Now, with respect to the SSPX bishops may I say that as long as they are perceived as being suspended and without “canonical status and faculties”, this would not only be imprudent but yet another cause for revolting demonstrations from those inclined to such things. Don’t get me wrong, I would dearly love to see the Holy Father remove the suspensions, give canonical status and grant faculties, but I do not see this happening in the near future, if at all. That, to me, is a tragedy of momentous proportions for Holy Mother Church when considering the supreme law of the Church being the salvation of souls but that is for another discussion thread.
*”Both Cardinal Baum and Cardinal Rigali were ordained when the TLM was the, ahem, Ordinary Form of Holy Mass in the Latin Rite. So, although it might take a bit of refreshing oneself with the rubrics from the Traditional Books (Pontifical), I presume either one could substitute for Cardinal Hoyos, if they had a mind to and if the demands of office did not interfere.”*
Cardinal Baum’s eyesight would not allow for this anymore.
Let’s see—get the papal appointment by 9am Malta time Thursday; announcement in Rome by noon, get Archbishop Nienstedt to consecrate on the way to the airport Friday morning; pick up white buskins, gloves, crozier, ring, precious/simple mitres at Leaflet Missal Friday after consecration; arrive in Washington Friday evening and rehearse with assistant priests, deacon, and subdeacon; press conference Saturday morning. Arrange to have the purple cassock, zuchetto, and cleanly pressed rochet waiting for you at the Shrine. Looks like you’re set! (The gold buckles for the shoes will, unfortuately, have to wait.)
An alternative:
Cardinals, even if they are not bishops, can pontificate.
So, the Pope could today schedule an ordinary public consistory for 9:00am tomorrow for the creation of Fr. Z as a Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church.
Fr. Z need not be present at the consistory in order for his creation as a cardinal to take effect. He can take the oath, receive the red birretta and the Cardinal’s ring at a later date, and still he would be a Cardinal from the moment his name is published in consistory.
So, by the time of the start of the Mass, Fr. Z, present at the Shrine, would already be Card. Z, and in that capacity would be able to pontificate. Someone would just have to lend him a red zuccheto and pontifical insignia.
All:
Yes, I was kidding when I suggested an SSPX Bishop altough I personally would not mind.
That being siad, I am curious about one of the responses.
Manwithblackhat,
Did you intend to indicate that you were quoting Fr. Fox in your Comment of 22 April 2010 @ 9:03 am?
Perhaps his comment was subsequently deleted, but the only post I can find with those words is yours
Prof. Basto-if that could only come true!
Fr. Z becoming Cardinal Z…well, we can dream, right?
Coming back down to earth…sigh…yet we know that Fr. Z wouldn’t want it…that’s okay…