Who is Sen. Tim Kaine as a Catholic?

I saw this Tweet and a story about this Tweet at LifeSite.

From LifeSite:

WASHINGTON, D.C., July 25, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) — A Catholic priest asked that pro-abortion Vice Presidential nominee Tim Kaine [educated by Jesuits] “do us both a favor” and not show up in his Communion line.

“I take Canon 915 seriously. It’d be embarrassing for you & for me,” tweeted Dominican Father Thomas Petri, the vice president and academic dean of the Pontifical Faculty of the Immaculate Conception at the Dominican House of Studies.

[…]

I, too, take canon 915 seriously.  I agree with Fr. Petri.

Sen. Kaine is pro-abortion (HERE):

Speaking to CNN, the irrational Kaine said, “I have a traditional Catholic personal position, but I am very strongly supportive that women should make these decisions and government shouldn’t intrude[.] … I’m a strong supporter ofRoe v. Wade and women being able to make these decisions.  In government, we have enough things to worry about.  We don’t need to make people’s reproductive decisions for them.”

More about Kaine HERE.

1. He was taught by Jesuits.

2. Kaine says he separates the personal from the political.

3. He favors allowing women to become priests.

4. Kaine is a fan of Pope Francis’ “Laudato Si’.”

5. Kaine speaks openly about his faith.

Things you need to know as you make your choices.

Get Can. 915 stuff.

Moderation queue is ON.

UPDATE:

Kaine is a “seamless garment” guy.  HERE

Meanwhile…

LA archbishop rips the seamless garment: Abortion and euthanasia ‘stand alone’ among today’s injustices in US

HERE

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37 Responses to Who is Sen. Tim Kaine as a Catholic?

  1. LarryW2LJ says:

    You know what’s really sad? I saw this quote from one of Senator Kaine’s fellow parishioners on the local CBS affiliate’s Webpage:

    “He was wonderful. I didn’t know he could sing,” said Beth Przygocki, who attended mass just to see Kaine.

    Attending Mass just to see a politician? Isn’t Mass supposed to be all about Jesus and worshiping Him? If this is the state of Catholicism in Virginia and the US in general, then we are way worse off than I had previously thought.

  2. wised says:

    All of the “traditional” (c)atholics will reaffirm his understanding of Catholicism. It saddens me that there are so many Catholics in politics both in Washington and in various influential positions across the USA who wear their faith on their sleeve when running for office but quickly show their true nature when in office. We are in a sad state here in the Church when even those who regularly fill the pews profess such slander openly. Who will defend our faith when even not all clergy follow its’ tenants?

    Who in the media can be trusted to call Kaine and his ilk out for corrupting Catholicism? I bet the media will find a similarly misinformed and malformed (c)atholic to affirm his understanding of what the Church professes.

  3. WYMiriam says:

    “Kaine said, “I have a traditional Catholic personal position, but [….]””

    Reminds me of the little lady in Montana years ago, when we were talking about politicians who say, “I don’t believe in abortion, but“, who said, “those are the people who are going to hell on their “buts”.”

  4. benedetta says:

    I think it’s really a hallmark of old school establishment politicians to claim Catholic cred and in the same breath say that they are for unlimited, market and greed driven preborn death, and the more the better. The notion of a politician saying “I’m Catholic, but…” really doesn’t have much broad appeal anymore to the electorate which no longer recognizes that whole cliche as representing an overall good for society. I think the comment about Pope Francis is going to be perceived as particularly pandering whilst at the same time prioritizing big abortion lobby over the Holy Father’s reasonableness and humanist goodness, and find that his openly being beholden to a moneyed special interest a mark of the kind of establishment lockstep that crowds out diverse voices and participation, and even obviously has disenfranchised a great many human beings from their legitimate human rights. Sad. I am glad that some very learned and compassionate priests are willing to step up to speak truth to power and say that you can’t just trot out religious faith for mass approval without acknowledging what that faith really is about. In this case, life.

  5. RobS says:

    Wow! Wasn’t 100% sold on Abp. Gomez given the continued existence of the Days of Darkness in L.A., but … red hat now!!

  6. iPadre says:

    Pope Clement XIV – pray for us!

  7. SKAY says:

    Biden and Pelosi probably helped with the selection. Birds(catholics) of a feather so to speak.

    Are there any elected Democrats who actually are pro life and pro family and even more importantly who really vote that way in Washington DC.

    Voting records count.

  8. Adaquano says:

    The Diocese of Richmond leaves much to be desired (though they have an FSSP parish). I have attended several strange “liturgies” and have heard gonging timpanis during Masses in various parishes in that area.

  9. Giuseppe says:

    He’s not completely ‘seamless garment’ – he could have commuted death sentences as Governor of Virginia, and he did this only once.

  10. Richard A says:

    To a conscientious and observant Christian, the only good Muslim is a “bad” Muslim (“bad” as in not observant). To a conscientious modern progressive, the only good Catholic is a bad Catholic.

  11. Spade says:

    “If this is the state of Catholicism in Virginia”

    Woah, now, leave the Diocese of Arlington outta this. Timmy is down in the Diocese of Richmond. It does not have the best reputation. I hear the Bishop and his staff are trying, but he has a long way to go.

    The Diocese of Arlington, however, is doing pretty darn well.

  12. Mike says:

    As a loyal national committeeman of the Constitution Party, I won’t have a troubled conscience about not voting for either of the major parties’ dual-headed monstrosities. Nonetheless, it’s long past time for some strong words and action from the hitherto flaccid USCCB. At the very least, when a politician’s Catholic faith becomes a campaign issue, one expects his diocesan ordinary to set the record straight (as happened in the last election when the cultural Marxists of the MSM impugned Congressman Ryan’s Catholicism).

  13. benedetta says:

    It’s a “reproductive right” that his platform likes to pretend is caveat free and truthful just for that…if it is such, and I guess the current court continues to style it such, then, for a great many women, wholly secular, fully indoctrinated into and supportive of their billion dollar lobby’s deceptive advertising and negligent clinic operation practices, such as all their numerous propaganda based on their need to boost sales such as: that abortion is risk free to women’s health, that it’s free of any adverse, long term health and mental health consequences, that it’s just a blob, that people they are affiliated with are not also selling the parts of that offspring to highest bidder, that the rest of the Western world doesn’t recognizes it more as an evil which should be rare and which if offered into certain scientifically documented contours comes horrifically close to infanticide, that it’s safe and healthy for a woman to use as birth control, that men aren’t coercing most women into it against their free will and consciences, that abortion is good for women and society.

    I think this politician to claim he’s a traditional Pope Francis Catholic is as it plainly looks to any onlooker: a complete lie. It’s actually incredibly bigoted towards all Catholics, as a matter of fact, because it triumphalizes his outdated position as superior — it’s incredibly divisive towards the huge numbers of voting Catholics who sacrifice a great deal, and fast and pray, on a daily basis, to aid the mothers and children whom his party has largely abandoned to a too easy “solution”. This cheapens us — we are better than that. In this terrible climate, the Pope Francis kind and generous thing for him and his party to do would be to extend kindness and welcome to prolifers and commend their efforts on behalf of women and our country. Instead he does this wink, wink, hey all you bigots and Catholic haters, come a’runnin, thing and it’s really despicable.

  14. Kathleen10 says:

    Fifty percent of American Catholics voted for Barack Obama. We put him in the White House. He was the most radically pro-abort senator ever, but Catholics voted for him in droves.
    Will Catholics do the same thing again and vote for the woman who recently said Planned Parenthood “was her platform”, or something similar. How on earth can any Catholic support such a bloodbath.

  15. BenFischer says:

    Sounds like a pretty typical Catholic “leader” to me. He’d probably count as “ultra-conservative” in the offices of CCHD and CRS. We’d have a lot more success with Catholic issues in Washington if we quit electing Catholics.

  16. frjim4321 says:

    Seems like the LA prelate doesn’t understand political rhetoric. The abortion rate has gone down over the past 7 1/2 years. That means more to me than the anti-abortion rhetoric of Trump’s party.

    [Imagine our surprise.]

  17. PhilipNeri says:

    AMEN to my brother, Fr. Petri, OP!

    Fr. Philip Neri, OP

  18. Chrisc says:

    I also saw in one source touting his multi-cultural bonfides that Kaine got a license so he could marry one of his Muslim friends to a Jewish woman. This seems quite unusual for a practicing Catholic.

  19. Venerator Sti Lot says:

    I thought most of the quotations from the article by Archbishop José Gomez admirable* – following the link to “Read Archbishop Gomez’s full column here” did not get me to it, however, but to “We have recently updated our site. Some old articles are not where they used to be.

    “Sorry for any inconvenience. As St. Junipero Serra would say, Always Forward, Never Back! Try searching for what you’re looking for.”

    Does anyone know how to get to the article easily (or search that site efficiently)?

    *Claire Christien summarized “Quoting Pope Francis, Gomez argued that the issues of abortion, assisted suicide, research on embryonic humans, government-mandated contraception, and the death penalty are the ‘great challenge for the Church’s social witness in our society.’ ” Obviously as the inclusion of the word “penalty” indicates, “the death penalty” is in a distinctly different category from everything else listed here. One might argue, for example, that it is dangerous ever to apply it, in case someone has been falsely convicted, or it is almost always disproportionately severe, but those are different matters – if prudentially objecting to it is part of the “great challenge for the Church’s social witness in our society”, then the clear distinctions must be made, to avoid any danger of weakening “the credibility of the Church’s witness in our society”. But if I eventually manage see the full text of he article by Archbishop José Gomez, I expect I will see how well he has in fact avoided any such danger.

  20. Eugene says:

    This was what I posted at the national schismatic reporter re: senator Kaine:
    What can one expect from one educated by the society of judas, but a complete betrayal of the faith

  21. AnnTherese says:

    He is also pro- capital punishment.

  22. Frank H says:

    Calling Fr. Jim Martin, SJ!

  23. Tamquam says:

    Archbishop Gomez, good to hear your voice at last.

  24. Absit invidia says:

    “We don’t need to make people’s reproductive decisions for them.”

    . . . yet this democrat party doesn’t apply this principle to the Little Sisters of the Poor. The democrats have chosen to make the decision for the Sisters that they will comply with providing birth control.

  25. Filipino Catholic says:

    To see someone actually invoking Canon 915 against someone running for office, even in a tweet, is a breath of fresh air honestly. Granted, it might be pointless, since apparently enforcing ecclesiastical sanctions like that makes the faithful cleric look hateful/bigoted/insert-discrediting-adjective-here in the eyes of the secular media, and for that matter it may well be that the target of said sanction may not even care much. But it is still a stand for our faith nonetheless, a stand that cries out with the unmeasured tone of John the Baptist railing against scandal — “It is not right!” Voting 3rd party is starting to look more and more attractive (and I would if I could).

    My take on the 5-point list of Kaine fast facts:
    1. Considering the modern state of the Society, fairly worrisome. St Ignatius help him.
    2. No no no, such a separation is perhaps tantamount to hypocrisy.
    3. Absolutely non-negotiable. Not now, and not ever, going by Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.
    4. Harmless in and of itself. Air conditioning is not a sin, stewardship is perfectly in line with Catholic teaching.
    5. Not worthy of reproach, in fact something to be imitated. Except of course for #2 above.

    Hats off as well to Abp. Gomez for that blunt assessment of the seamless garment view. Too much to hope and pray that more bishops start following suit?

  26. leftycbd says:

    It is situations such as this that remind me of one of my favorite quotes:

    “I think that when statesmen forsake their own private conscience for the sake of their public duty, they lead their country by a short route to chaos.”
    -St. Sir Thomas More, _A Man for all Seasons_

  27. AnnTherese says:

    Eugene: “the society of Judas”–really? What a slap in the face to St. Ignatius, the martyrs from that order, and the men and women who have committed their lives to God and serving others as Jesuits and associates. You don’t like the Pope– fine. But must you fall prey to childish insults that hold your hate? Who is that serving??

  28. Kerry says:

    Sed etiam , “obstinately persevering”,

  29. comedyeye says:

    Is he Catholic because he was baptized Catholic? Just a bad Catholic? Or not Catholic at all?
    I’ll bet his pastor and bishop have never talked to him even once. [I strongly doubt that.]

  30. WYMiriam says:

    “Things you need to know as you make your choices.”

    The list needs to be expanded! Was it Paul Ryan or Mr. Cruz who refrained from endorsing Trump, while saying that there is only one constitutionalist running for the presidency? He was right — it’s Darrell Castle, of the Constitution Party.

    Mike, I’m also a member of the CP!

  31. John H. Graney says:

    Is there any Catholic politician of any party who does not put their political career ahead of their spiritual life? I want to say Rand Paul, but even there I’m not certain.
    Maybe what we should take away from this is that it is not a good time for Catholics to be politicians, at least on the national level.

  32. benedetta says:

    John H. Graney, I think you set up a straw man. Why need it be either/or, lest a Catholic stay out of office on the national level? Still, is it correct, to, blame someone for having a, as you say “spiritual life”? I think it’s precisely the hatred generated by people like Gov Kaine which breeds hatred against humble people living the faith as authentically as they know how, who will not turn a blind eye to babies sacrificed on the altar of greed in this country, that robs our country of having a truly diverse reflection of the populus represented in higher office. Why is it so very crucial to announce to all and sundry that killing of children even in methods and timeframe way beyond what most European countries, as progressive and socialist as they may be, can tolerate, and that this makes him a desirable candidate? It’s just the same old bigotry either way, and, I think little of a spiritual life which throws one’s co-religionists under the bus.

    Let’s hear Gov Kaine defend prolifers who are getting the shaft left and right and say he will defend them and see what happens? Even, let’s say, after he is safely escorted into office by PP?

  33. newportson says:

    1. I find it interesting that the Democrats only want to hail a hearty Catholic when an election is in the balance. All the rest of the time, they are busy finding ways to shut the Catholic Church out of politics and public policy conversations.
    2. So, if Sen./Gov. Kaine is “personally opposed” to abortion, someone should probe that specifically:
    “Sen. Kaine, because you are personally opposed to abortion, this must means that you personally believe that human life begins at conception. Is that your position?” Just ask him the question. If he answers yes, that opens a whole other line of questions that can reduce his position to pure political pandering. If he answers no, then he doesn’t actually hold a Catholic position on the issue. If he answers yes, he places himself at odds with HRC, and the entire abortion lobby. Oh the havoc.

  34. newportson says:

    1. I find it interesting that the Democrats only want to hail a hearty Catholic when an election is in the balance. All the rest of the time, they are busy finding ways to shut the Catholic Church out of politics and public policy conversations.
    2. So, if Sen./Gov. Kaine is “personally opposed” to abortion, someone should probe that specifically:
    “Sen. Kaine, because you are personally opposed to abortion, this must mean that you personally believe that human life begins at conception. Is that your position?” Just ask him the question. If he answers yes, that opens a whole other line of questions that can reduce his position to pure political pandering. If he answers no, then he doesn’t actually hold a Catholic position on the issue. If he answers yes, he places himself at odds with HRC, and the entire abortion lobby. Oh the havoc.

  35. newportson says:

    Biden, Pelosi, Kaine, O’Malley, to name but a few.

  36. Venerator Sti Lot says:

    WYMiriam,

    You’re forgetting Cody Robert Judy, whom I saw as recently as 17 July speaking in terms of “my current and active Presidential Candidacy in the Democratic Party” (not that I expect a revolution in which that Party suddenly gets behind him at the DNC, the more’s the pity, as he’s clearly preferable to Mrs. Clinton).

  37. Pat_H says:

    Wow, I have to extend my thanks and admiration to Father Z for posting this.
    I have heard of this blog, and I’ve even stopped in here very occasionally, but I’ve never posted before. I am now as I’ve long been really frustrated by how so few Clerics will say anything like this. We know what the position of the Church is, but we rarely hear that you can’t both claim to be a good Catholic while acting publicly against it. Kaine, about whom I otherwise know nothing, really can’t, it seems to me, claim to be acting in good conscience while also backing policies that are so clearly contrary to the Church’s. I’m glad to see a cleric flatly state that this just can’t be done.
    I haven’t gone back and taken a look to see what was said with Justice Kennedy issued the majority opinion on same gender marriage, which I thought legally deficient, morally bankruptcy, and devoid of any sense of actual nature, but I’m hoping that at least somebody said they were sliding down the pew if he came in and sat next to him when that occurred.