Catholic Channel on Sirius, criterion for sainthood path called “heroic values” not “virtues”

This is from a comment under a post about the new “path” to beatification.

I try to be gracious, really. But sometimes things are too funny not to be shared. I was listening to the Catholic Channel on Sirius today, and they were discussing the new sainthood path. One of the existing paths was described as “heroic values.” I heard it twice, it’s not my imagination.

The “Catholic Channel”… on Sirius.

“Heroic values”… on Sirius “Catholic Channel”?


Not funny in the least.

That sort of error is pernicious.

What show was that?

Who said that?

Who else heard that?  We need details.

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  1. ce lathrop says:

    Indeed. Stalin had “values,” as did Mao.

  2. Charles E Flynn says:

    From a Google search:

    Radio station
    The Catholic Channel is a Roman Catholic lifestyle radio station on Sirius XM Satellite Radio and is operated by the Archdiocese of New York. Wikipedia
    Frequency: Sirius XM Satellite Radio Channel 129
    Format: Religious broadcasting
    Owner: Sirius XM Holdings
    Area: United States of America, Canada
    Slogan: Not what you’d expect.
    First air date: 2006-12-04 (Sirius); 2008-11-12 (XM)

  3. Atra Dicenda, Rubra Agenda says:

    This motu proprio is nonsense.

    Virtue is heroically Catholic…or it is pagan.

    Honestly. This is a temptation to pride, as though we need more temptation, for those of us suffering constantly in small ways ignominiously every day. I do not flatter myself in thinking that my being among the 1% of Catholic physicians who live their faith meaningfully as worthwhile. I am too busy struggling with my own vices and pride every day to evaluate how living consistently is worthwhile or meaningful out there. What I walk in to trauma bay and get shot and suddenly I’s saintly? Like my pagan colleagues who walk into trauma scenarios every day?

    Anonymity is the only virtue that offsets my viciousness.

    God save me.

  4. CrimsonCatholic says:

    According to the schedule and when the comment was posted, it was one of the following:

    Gus Lloyd
    Father Matt Malone
    Jennifer Fulwiler
    or Lino Rulli

  5. CrimsonCatholic says:

    I would guess Fr. Malone since he contributes to America, but I can’t confirm.

  6. Emilio says:

    I find the programming on The Catholic Channel to be a mixed bag. Gus Lloyd is orthodox, he even defended ad orientem worship while everyone was going crazy attacking Cardinal Sarah last year. Jennifer Fulweiler is too. Busted Halo is pretty liberal, I stopped listening after one too many shows pushing women deacons and featuring Fr. Jim Martin. Lino Rulli’s show is absolute GARBAGE and it doesn’t seem to have any direction to it at all. The man is in love with the sound of his own voice, and seems to really believe that he is funny.

  7. Matthew says:

    When I got a new car it had a Sirius (or Sirius XM or XM) radio installed. I was quite pleased to find the Catholic Channel was an option. I was a bit disappointed that they didn’t have EWTN (one of the other flavors of SiriusXM does).
    Since then I’ve seldom listened to The Catholic Channel as it is most often nonsense.

    When I had to renew my subscription I mentioned that I’d prefer EWTN and while technically not possible, it did allow me an approximately 50% discount on the renewal fee. I think the call center is in the Philippines so perhaps the good Catholics there understood.

  8. Absit invidia says:

    This reminds me of a scene from the movie Gladiator where the delinquent son, Commodus, tries convincing his father that his “values” are just as honorable as his father’s virtues:

    Modern catholics are grasping at straws, just like Commodus in a fit of self pity and emotion when they know they aren’t strong enough and disciplined enough to live up to true Christian virtue.

  9. MitisVis says:

    This would appear to be another attempt to subtly replace “virtues” with the ambiguous and ever popular “values” of recent popularity. The suspicion that it was a “catholic” program or channel doesn’t surprise me in the least. We seem to be firing the first shot with these language usage errors, usually in the foot. Something about it’s harder to correct a mistake than to get it right the first time comes to mind.

  10. Oxonian95 says:

    The “heroic values” were mentioned during the brief news segment that runs between shows, or during breaks. It was said by none of the regular show hosts.

  11. JonPatrick says:

    I had XM for a while and my opinion was similar to Emilio’s above. Gus Lloyd was good I even called into his show a couple of times. I think Lino Rulli’s show is an attempt to make Catholicism cool and hip which is never going to happen. I stopped listening to it after he made fun of traditional Catholics a few too many times. In the end I decided satellite radio wasn’t worth the money and instead I use it for a premium subscription to Church Militant. Here in Maine we have “the Presence” which can be picked up almost anywhere in the state and broadcasts a lot of programming from EWTN.

  12. Spade says:

    We have SiriusXM and get both the Catholic Channel and EWTN. Catholic Channel seems to be where the stuff that didn’t make the cut for EWTN goes.

  13. Fr. Kelly says:

    I also had Sirus XM for 6 months when I got my car 3 years ago, and was profoundly underimpressed by the “catholic Channel” — especially by a show I kept catching called the “Catholic guy” The host spent most of his efforts ridiculing faithful Catholics, sneered at the notion that anyone would follow the Church on contraception, and showed an amazing level of ignorance about Church history when talking a bout a trip to Rome that he took. (He didn’t call it a pilgrimage, and I expect from his comments that this was good)

    I basically figured it would go right along with the Crux, National catholic reporter and their ilk.
    I did not subscribe when the 6 months were up.

  14. Mike says:

    If such a thing as the soi-disant Catholic Channel had been around circa 1950, Catholics would simply have been told from the pulpit not to listen to it under pain of sin. And that would have been that. The unspoken message in such prohibitions was: we’re looking out for your immortal soul.

    The unspoken message of the Modernist church, starting about the time Paenitemini was issued in 1966, has been: you’re big enough to make all your own decisions—pretty much what a certain snake said to a certain lady in a certain Garden.

  15. JesusFreak84 says:

    It’s *possible* the person misspoke, (the words start with the same letter and, in other contexts, probably could be used more interchangeably,) but one has to be precise and careful when speaking theologically. Someone on a station operating with the blessing of the Archdiocese should have corrected himself or herself if misspeaking is in fact what happened.

    I listened to the station for a while back in 2013, but even though I was (and am) in Lino Rulli’s target demographic age-wise, I remember often thinking that, “Wow, I hope I’m not this immature at that age.” Trying to appeal to the youth shouldn’t mean acting like one, and the priests on the show sometimes gave advice that was, at best, “borderline.”

  16. CrimsonCatholic says:

    “The “heroic values” were mentioned during the brief news segment that runs between shows, or during breaks. It was said by none of the regular show hosts.”

    Then I was wrong in my guesses.

    As others have stated, this needs to be corrected if this is news put out or sponsored by the diocese.

  17. Suudy says:

    I literally had a conversation where a woman told me that the cockpit of a plane perpetuated the patriarchy, and that is must be renamed to “flight deck”. Of course the etymology of cockpit has nothing to do with male anatomy at all.

    So, perhaps it is a further assault on the language. Given that virtue is derived from the Latin “vir,” they want to avoid perpetuating the patriarchy. /sarc


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