@JamesMartinSJ vicious internet lynching of @dlongenecker1

Jesuit homosexualist activist James Martin has an penchant for fighting dirty.

Any scrap of credibility he might have had for his obsessive cause is greatly diminished with this tactic.   Watch what he does.

From his Twitter feed (LINK – my screenshot):

Get that? Note well….

“And this is just what is said in public.”

WHO CAN REPLY?  People @JamesMartinSJ follows or mentioned can reply.

The obsessive Jesuit passes rash judgment on Fr. Longenecker as a racist, pandering to a mob with the smear du jour, insinuating that he says worse things in private.    This is textbook calumny.

AND…. the coward didn’t actually mention Fr. Longenecker, did he.  He posted a screenshot without using Fr. Longenecker’s Twitter handle: so he can’t respond.   I’ve used a screenshot to get the whole thing in (I don’t know how to post all of it directly from Twitter).

Only Martin can respond, while any of his drove of adherents can retweet.   Disgusting.

What you have witnessed here was an internet lynching.

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33 Responses to @JamesMartinSJ vicious internet lynching of @dlongenecker1

  1. mysticalrose says:

    Ummm… my mom said the same thing about the term, “POC.” And she is black. Tell me again why this racist?????

  2. JustaSinner says:

    Yes, Father, an internet lynching! But I can’t truly imagine what our Lord has in the works for Homosexualist Fr Jesse James Martin… EPIC!

  3. abdiesus says:

    We should expect this increasingly from the fake catholics who are in schism from the Church’s teaching on homosexuality and abortion, as well as a host of other issues.

    Eventually I expect that the many, many evil prelates will start “excommunicating” and attacking/persecuting any faithful Catholics they can identify, with the goal of teaming up with the State to attack, sue, imprison and otherwise destroy any faithful Catholics.

    We see this starting with Brandon Vogt + Bp Barron secret meeting. Why secret? Because they are discussing how to manage the persecution of faithful Catholics.

    We should expect this. The religious leaders teamed up with the Secular Roman State to do this to Jesus, and now they will team up with our Secular State do it to us too. It’s part of being a Christian.

  4. CasaSanBruno says:

    As sad as Jasmine’s tactics are, this should not surprise anyone. Few sins darken the intellect and twist the will as much as unnatural sins she promotes. InSt. Catherine of Siena’s book, “The Dialogue”, God the Father says that Satan incites sodomitical acts amongst the clergy but is so revolted by them that even he doesn’t stick around to watch them play out.

  5. ThePapalCount says:

    The term “people of color” and the term “colored people”, on the surface, describe the same reality. However, we must choose our words carefully. For words, like knifes, can cut deep and cause hurt and harm. So, in our use of words we must be prudent and charitable. the term “people of color” is used today to describe persons who are not white. The term “colored people” also describes persons who are not white.
    However, the term “colored people” is sorely weighted, indeed burdened, with a history that saw injustice and inequality for “people of color”. It is seen today as an offensive term and a derogatory term with links to an unfortunate and cruel history. It’s best avoided as it hurts people. As Christians we must guard our speech.

  6. PostCatholic says:

    It’s certainly a case of two wrongs completing their usual summation.

    [No. It really is NOT that at all. This is particularly so if you knew anything about Fr. Longenecker.]

  7. iamlucky13 says:

    Father Martin’s invitation for us to prejudge whatever horrible things we can imagine Father Longnecker saying in private is disturbing, but I’m equally as bothered by the presumptive declaration that Father Longnecker intended to mock people of color, rather than to mock apparently selective offense over similar terms. This is a trend that has become far too common.

    I think there is a reasonable criticism he could have made about Father Longnecker’s post: “colored people” has historically been used in a racist manner. The main example that comes to mind is as a label for segregating facilities. While there hardly any literal difference between the terms,” there is a different historical context that leads many people to be offended by the term “colored person.”

    We can be graciously careful about terms that others find insensitive for articulable reasons, without accepting purely arbitrary definitions of what is offensive, since this one isn’t arbitrary.

    Unfortunately, when Father Martin had the opportunity to respectfully explain the context and educate Father Longnecker and both of their readers, he instead chose to judge his motives and publicly criticize him. If his goal was to work against prejudice, Father Martin’s reaction seems very backwards. It certainly was a poor example of “accompanying in dialogue,” as he likes to espouse.

    As a quick closing note, I’d like to remind others to seek to be charitable in our criticisms, as well. Call out fallacious arguments by focusing on the argument. There’s already more than enough name-calling and presumption about motives on the internet.

  8. GHP says:

    Yeah, I’m having a hard time keeping up with PC junk.

    When I was a boy, “Negro” and “Colored People” were polite; “Black” was pejorative.
    Now “Black” is preferred — or is it “African-American?” I just can’t keep up.
    “Cotton-picking~” (~minute, ~hands, etc.) was normal speech; at that time (1960s) even White People had chopped cotton in the 20s and 30s (my grandmother), so it was not seen as demeaning a Black person (oops, “Person of Color”). Heck, it was just a phrase.

    I hate this “Wokednessism”

    Fr. Martin also does not agree with Bishop Tobin on what a good Catholic is.
    James Martin, SJ
    @JamesMartinSJ
    ·
    Aug 12
    “Mr. Biden may not be the kind of Catholic that Bishop Tobin agrees with, but that’s not the standard for what makes a person a Catholic.”
    Quote Tweet
    The Boston Globe
    @BostonGlobe
    · Aug 12
    Providence Bishop Tobin disparages Biden’s Catholic faith in tweet http://bos.gl/CJlZz5T

    — Guy

  9. Father G says:

    Fr. Martin has posted this on his FB page as well.
    One is able to leave a comment, but I expect his minions will come to his defense.

  10. Semper Gumby says:

    A Thomas Sowell quote for the edification of James Martin SJ, (Editor at large, America Magazine):

    “The word ‘racism’ is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything – and demanding evidence makes you a ‘racist’.”

    Speaking of lynchings, Justice Clarence Thomas once used the phrase “high-tech lynching.”

    abdiesus: You have a good point regarding WOF and their collaborators such as “America Media” and CNA. Though, your use of “persecution” may be a bit of a stretch.

    That said, the WOF network’s rash judgement, interest in agit-prop, and their straying, more than once, into Alinsky Rule #13 behavior is noticed. This is an interesting situation.

  11. Gregg the Obscure says:

    the slander against Fr. Longenecker is bad. the attempt to equate sociopathic sexual deviants with people who have experienced actual injustice in the form of racism – even allowing that there are many false accusations of racism – is massively worse.

  12. wmeyer says:

    I suppose we must cut people some slack, as so few Americans younger than I have any appreciation of English grammar. (I’m 71 for a few months yet.)
    As to the PoC issue, I am still at a total loss to appreciate why the acceptability of a particularly unpleasant term applied to blacks when I was a child is now trendy or hip for a black to use, and a hate crime when uttered by a non-black.
    Dr. King must be heartbroken.

  13. wmeyer says:

    “I suppose we must cut people some slack, as so few Americans younger than I have any appreciation of English grammar. ” I was thinking of laypeople, not of the homosexualist priest when I wrote that. I should have been clearer in what I write.

  14. jhayes says:

    Fr. Longenecker says on his blog

    “The other day I joked on Twitter about the irony that the phrase “colored people” was not allowed but “people of color” was okay. An African American replied with a good explanation. There were two reasons: “colored people” was associated with the slavery of the past, but the reason that interested me more concerned grammatical construction. “Colored people” defines the person by their color and people are more than their skin color. I like that. It’s the same reason we should not refer to “gay people” or “homosexuals” but use the terminology “people who experience same sex attraction.” A person should not be defined only by their sexual proclivity, their skin color or their religion.”

    https://dwightlongenecker.com/the-complexities-of-color/

  15. ALL: Take note. I have the moderation queue on and I have axed some comments because, while sometimes containing good points, descend into mere name calling. Nope.

  16. Antonin says:

    First the term used here and which I use in my work is “racialized minorities”. The reason racialized is used is because “race” is a social construction which is applied to groups by other dominant groups. It means that racialization is a process of ongoing stereotypical activities that place people in categories that then permits discrimination. Obviously minority because minority needs to be protected from the majority. Read the founding documents of USA. The protection of minority rights was something the founders were particularly sensitive to. That is why you have religious minority protection through the anti establishment clause. People are free to express themselves in all their cultural, political, and religious diversity free from government intrusion except within clearly defined limits.

    The “dignity of the human Person” has long been a Catholic doctrine that Pius XI used to condemn communism a Nazism an what Pope Leo XIII used in support of rights of the worker to organize and in his condemnation of capitalism.

    I know Fr. Z likes baseball. To use a baseball analogy, if we are being fair and calling balls and strikes, I think we would have to say that the pitch from James Martin is a strike.

    [How did I know, from the top, that you would defend James Martin’s lynching? Rhetorical question.]

  17. xavier says:

    Father

    At what point will Fr Martin be canonically sanctioned? At the very least he’s bring the priesthood, the Jesuits and the church into disrepute.
    To be honest I’m indignant at Fr Martin’s conduct. I wonder what standing if any I have canonically to write a letter to the order’s Superior?

    xavier

  18. iamlucky13 says:

    @ jhayes – Thank you for linking Father Longnecker’s latest article on his site. It was an interesting read in its own right, and even more so as a followup to the response his Twitter post seems to have resulted in.

    It sounds like he has been doing good work to minister to a diverse parish.

    I pray, even though I’m struggling a bit to be very hopeful about it, that Father Martin will follow up and read that article with an open mind, and perhaps comment with a comparison of his impression of Father Longnecker when he wrote that first Twitter post with his impression after reading the article.

  19. Grumpy Beggar says:

    Y’know, when a white person has close black friends, they don’t get into this type of literary detritus that Fr. Martin seems to enjoy parroting. It just isn’t an issue.

    I first happened upon this little poetic jewel in French posted a little further below about 2 decades ago. Although the odd person will dispute its origin, it is generally accepted that the poem was written by the first African president of the Republic of Sénégal who was also a poet -Leopold Senghor .

    The English translation I found is okay – not perfect, but certainly enough to get a smile out of most people who has never read it. And the piece is fairly common knowledge among the French-speaking African peoples. The reader should note an inconsistency wherein the final line in French is translated, literally, “Who is the man of color ? “, but the particular site providing the English translation which I’ve posted here rendered it “Who is the colored man?” . . . even though the actual commentary of the poem on this same web page also renders it “man of color” . . . (as if it were almost tailor-made for Fr Z’s and Fr. Longenecker’s pertinent posts ).

    Dear White Brother (English translation)

    When I was born, I was black,
    When I grew up, I was black,
    When I am in the sun, I am black,
    When I am sick, I am black,
    When I die, I will be black.

    While you, white man,
    When you were born, you were pink,
    When you grew up, you were white,
    When you go in the sun, you are red,
    When you are cold, you are blue,
    When you are scared, you are green,
    When you are sick, you are yellow,
    When you die, you will be grey.

    So, between you and me,
    Who is the colored man?

    Leopold Senghor Oct 9, 1906 – December 20, 2001

    Don’t shoot Father Dwight, shoot the translator.

    Here’s the link for further study :

    http://www.ovws.org/applecore/2019/1/22/cher-frre-blanc-dear-white-brother-a-poem-by-leopold-senghor

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  21. grateful says:

    Your “little poetic jewel” is delightful, and here it is in French from the website:
    Cher frère blanc
    Quand je suis né, j’étais noir,
    Quand j’ai grandi, j’étais noir,
    Quand je suis au soleil, je suis noir,
    Quand je suis malade, je suis noir,
    Quand je mourrai, je serai noir.

    Tandis que toi, homme blanc,
    Quand tu es né, tu étais rose,
    Quand tu as grandi, tu étais blanc,
    Quand tu vas au soleil, tu es rouge,
    Quand tu as froid, tu es bleu,
    Quand tu as peur, tu es vert,
    Quand tu es malade, tu es jaune,
    Quand tu mourras, tu seras gris.

    Alors, de nous deux,
    Qui est l’homme de couleur ?

  22. Grabski says:

    I have to believe that you understand sarcasm

    Which makes me believe your “concern” is just your passive aggressive way of shutting us up

  23. Marissa says:

    POC is not a nice acronym to be associated with any group of people.

  24. KateD says:

    I think Father Longnecker was pointing out the similarity of the phrases. If one is wrong, shouldn’t they both be? Its a fair point.

  25. JoHNewman says:

    Dear Father Z and all,

    In our family – black/Indian dad, white (Yorkshire) mum, six kids of varying shades (from very light to very dark, including one very dark twin sister and her very light twin sister) – the word we used to describe all of our family members, and our ancestors (Indian, Créole, Black or Negro – yep, my oldest cousins still use the term ‘negro’), and the other coloured folk who migrated from the Southern and Midwestern states to British Columbia in the 1800s was, as you can probably guess, ‘coloured’. I’m comfortable with both ‘people/person of colour’ and ‘coloured people/person’. For me and my family, either description is just fine. We were taught that, first and foremost, the content of one’s character, not colour, is most important.

    As for Fr. Martin, he might want to tip that chip off his shoulder.

  26. Antonin says:

    I read Fr Longenecker’s rejoinder and it was excellent! I have a lot of respect for the work he does. I respect any man who works on the ground with people. And yes he has the “smell of the sheep” on him.

    I think it would be only fair for Fr. Martin to tweet Fr.Longenecker’s response. It is clear that Martin was rash in his judgement (and so was I). This is a highly charged issue on all sides and Twitter isn’t the best place to unpack all the complexities. It is clear that Fr. Longenecker is a thoughtful considered priest with a regrettable one off twitter post that was easy to misconstrue and I am sorry I did.

    https://dwightlongenecker.com/the-complexities-of-color/#comments

  27. mibethda says:

    It might be worth noting that the NAACP is the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

  28. teomatteo says:

    This topic recalls my fourth grade teacher back in 1968. Sr. Francis told us that we shouldn’t use the term ‘colored people’ because everyone has a color. ‘Blacks’ is what I was taught. It’s what I have used since then. May Sr. Francis rest in peace.

  29. Kathleen10 says:

    He’s using the usual pandering rhetoric to try to strengthen that alliance between homosexuals and black people, who’s favor and protection they would really like now, because we see how the lesbians who created BLM aligned BLM with LGBTQ. It’s a ploy, often used, “see, we are both oppresssed….we need to stick togetherrrr…”. The LGBTQ crowd would like to be on the same team as those who are tearing up America’s cities, if they can only cozy up enough to the BLM crowd and get under their wing. Martin’s trying his best here, but it’s so obvious.
    He assumes people can’t see this, but surely they see that and they also see he has attempted to throw his fellow priest under the bus, which is understood as pretty ugly no matter which team you’re on.

  30. Semper Gumby says:

    mibethda: Good point.

  31. RosaryRose says:

    More prayers and fasting for Fr James Martin. What is this?!

    He publicly attacks his brother priest – did he contact Fr Longenecker and counsel him first, like Christ told us? When you disagree, speak to the person, if that doesn’t work, get another to be with you…What is this?!

    Our Blessed Mother must be incredibly sad over this. I know it would break my heart if my children did this to each other. I don’t have nearly the capacity to love like the Blessed Virgin Mary has, so her pain must be very deep.

    I know Mary’s Immaculate Heart will triumph. Meanwhile, these are difficult days indeed. The good thing is it makes us learn our faith more, pray more, fast more.

  32. Charles E Flynn says:

    Slate had an article about this topic four years ago.

    Why Is Colored Person Hurtful and Person of Color OK? A Theory of Racial Euphemisms.

    by John H. McWhorter
    August 24, 2016

  33. Noel V says:

    One can only pray (and should do so) when conduct such as this exists between priests – men of persona Christi.

    They really need to spend the next week studying the readings for the 23 Sunday OT – very appropriate readings for the way each of them carry on – so, so Scandalum Magnatum

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