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If it is Wednesday Peter Kwasniewski must have another book coming. 5…4…3…2… BAM! There it is right on schedule… another book.
In truth, this one came a little while ago.
This is a winner.
There are false old chestnuts flung at the Traditional Latin Mass and at those who desire it.
How many times have we heard the “didactic deke” …
“We read a lot more of the Bible in the Novus Ordo, so it’s clearly better.”
Or the “silent spectator” line…
“At Mass, the priest is doing everything and I’m just watching him.”
Peter teases out 10 objections to the Vetus Ordo in favor of the Novus.
Turned Around: Replying to the Most Common Objections Against the Traditional Latin Mass – by Peter Kwasniewski
US HERE (and Canada, I think) – UK HERE
The US has a Kindle Version and Audible recording. The UK also has an audio version.
Kudos to TAN. Great people performing a great service.
Note the ToC. What you don’t see is that within the chapters there are some subsections with variants.
In the 1st chapter, about ad orientem worship, you find subsections on the Historical Foundations of ad orientem, the Theological Meaning, Of Divine and Diabolic Symbols, Emphasis or Distortion?, Clearing Up A Misunderstanding (this is good… it deals with “God is everywhere, so what difference does it make?”), Temporary Expedients and Permanent Solutions (e,g, the “Benedictine Arrangement”, which never really satisfies over time – it was a transitional tool, mainly).
Each chapter has its variants. Explore!
As the Letter of Peter says, “Be prepared to give reasons”. This book prepares you to give reasons. However, it will also inform you about what I hope you’ve already intuited about the superiority of Vetus Ordo worship.
And for those of you on the fence… or on the wrong side of the fence… get the book. HERE
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Just ordered from your link, Father.
I love, love, love Dr K’s books! Received this one a few weeks ago, Fr Z. Currently finishing They Have Uncrowned Him by Abp. Lefebvre, then on to Turned Around! ??
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Isn’t Dr K a philosopher by training? isn’t this a bit outside his scope? i.e. I consult Dr Robert Sokolowski on metaphysics but take him with a grain of salt on theology, etc
samwise: Your questions are amusing.
Think about what the book is entitled.
Then think about what you asked.
Valid objection:
Is a PhD in philosophy qualified to pontificate on matters best suited for an STL/STD in Liturgical Studies and Sacramental Theology?
samwise: Valid objection
Not really, no.
Now, it’s my turn to ask:
Have you read it yet?
I listened to his interviews on the new book:
https://youtu.be/qcXc3arWIWc?si=Wt6yGeKePCmu-UEi
https://youtu.be/q3VQq8Y_-yg?si=MHXuOMkbTk14DGSe
Tim Gordon has better arguments than Dr K in his debate with Tim Flanders here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tbWxKAi8nHA
I disagree with Gordon on a lot of other topics (he’s another philosopher, like Dr K, who is way out of his depth)
Is there an audio version of Dr K’s book?
Here’s another case where a PhD (in music) is opening on Liturgy as though he has an STL/STD:
https://onepeterfive.com/author/eschaeferthe-collegium-org/
BXVI wrote Summorum Pontificum for the sake of mutual enrichment (requiem in pace Fr Hunwicke) between the Vetus & Novus Ordos, not for a hermeneutic of rupture to be propagated by PhDs who should stick to their own disciplines.
samwise:
Stop digging.
As far as an audio version, you didn’t read my post much less the book.
You have not read it. Enough said.
Dear samwise,
There are many ways to gain expertise: by academic degree, by self-study, or as an adjunct area to ones primary area of expertise. Consider the case of Marjorie Rice, who, without any formal mathematics training, did important work in mathematical tiling theory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjorie_Rice
Ed Schaefer did his dissertation on chant and it is likely that he studied the development of liturgy as an adjunct to his study of chant – the two developed co-incident.
Yes, Appeal to Authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) is an informal fallacy, but there can be instances when it is not. The Canadian author, Douglas Walton, has done extensive examinations of the limits of informal fallacies, such as his study of the ad baculum (appeal to threat or fear) fallacy. Sometimes, an expert in one field might actually have a good idea in another field. Ultimately, one must judge the argument and not the person.
The Chicken
@the Masked Chicken,
At any point, did Marjorie Rice go rogue in Mathematics and proclaim a rupture from those with “formal Mathematics training”?
I am slowly going through Dr K’s topics in Turned… in comparison with Ratzinger’s Spirit of the Liturgy, and I find the former to be a mere shadow and ideological shell of the latter (not to mention the agenda driven, “self-absorbed , neo-palagian Prometheanism of the former”, haha). In other words, this is the difference between what a philosopher can deductively generate (like AI) on the Liturgy vs a theologian who puts heart and soul into mutually enriching both forms.
Ed Schaefer should be able to appreciate, as did Ratzinger in Spirit of the Liturgy, the opportunity for chant in the Novus Ordo as well as in the TLM, instead of dismissing NO altogether (again, in the name of rupture). At Fr Z’s beloved St Agnes parish, they offer both TLM and the NO, as should every parish! This is a both/and issue (mutual enrichment), not an either/or ideology.
There is a commentator here named “samwise” who is very much out of his depth.
You know, I worked on accreditation for many years.
People who have terminal degrees are considered competent for their field; but also, those who have extensive experience, or who have published in peer-reviewed journals. I have both of those things.
Besides, when’s the last time you looked into the state of higher education? Assuming that someone who has an STL/STD in liturgy is actually well-formed is the height of naivete. Academia is full of frauds and superficiality.
You might actually just read “Turned Around” to see if its arguments — and sources — make sense.
Dr K, it’s not too late for you to get an STL/STD. Unlike your prayers for Francis’ imminent death, I pray that you may have enough time to be properly schooled in a matter where you are clearly still a dilettante and will have to make an account of your futility.
[It’s time for you to go sit quietly in the corner.]