QUAERITUR: changing words near the consecration

From a reader:

When I travel I frequently have to attend NO Masses.  Such was the case last Sunday.  The parish is liberal and so is the “guest” priest, but I was with a friend, so on I went.

The priest changed the words of the consecration by substituting the words “friends” for “disciples”.  He did that for both the bread and the wine.  I recognize that words are important and I think it is a poor but not surprising substitution to use the word “friends”  given the social action personality of this priest (He broke bread and gave his friends….).  I checked the actual version in the weekly (monthly???) pew missal,  while listening.  The missal uses the word “disciples”.

My question is does this in any way invalidate the Mass.  If not, fine.  I am subject to this Mass on occasion and really can’t get out of going so it is good to know that at least I satisfied my Sunday obligation (on Sat, naturally).  Mostly I am curious.

First, isn’t it wonderful that you can go to Mass when you travel?

Second, the priest had NO authority to change those words.  What he did was just plain wrong.  The pastor of the parish or his superior/bishops should admonish him in this regard.  By changing the words he caused people to wonder about the Mass. 

Third, the change you related did NOT make the Mass invalid.  Be at ease about that.

We must not ever fall into the trap some minimalists had dug, namely, that as long as the bare bones essentials are left untouched, we can do what we want with the Church’s liturgy.  

Just because that Mass wasn’t invalid, doesn’t mean that what he did was okay.

You also start appreciating Mass in Latin more: for most priests it is a little harder to ad lib, and those who are able to wouldn’t generally be the type who would.

 

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QUAERITUR: removing holy water during Lent

I have had a couple questions via e-mail already about dopey plans in some parishes to empty holy water fonts during Lent and even dopier plans to replace the holy water with sand or dirt.

Anyway, some time ago I wrote an Ask Father response to this which I now repost.

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Lately I have read some items about the blogosphere that the , persists in some places. 

Q:  Our Sunday bulletin states that Holy Water will be removed from Ash Wednesday on during Lent to remind us that we are in a desert. What is the latest rule for removing Holy Water? It used to be done on Good Friday.

A: Good question! Thanks for asking this. No doubt thousands.. maybe millions of people will be subjected to all kinds of rubbish during Lent. One day I should relate the stupid things we had to endure in seminary about this very thing of sand in the holy water stoup.

Any way… This is a response from the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments about this question. Enjoy.

The emphases are mine:

    Prot. N. 569/00/L

    March 14, 2000

    Dear Father:

    This Congregation for Divine Worship has received your letter sent by fax in which you ask whether it is in accord with liturgical law to remove the Holy Water from the fonts for the duration of the season of Lent.

    This Dicastery is able to respond that the removing of Holy Water from the fonts during the season of Lent is not permitted, in particular, for two reasons:

    1. The liturgical legislation in force does not foresee this innovation, which in addition to being praeter legem is contrary to a balanced understanding of the season of Lent, which though truly being a season of penance, is also a season rich in the symbolism of water and baptism, constantly evoked in liturgical texts.

    2. The encouragement of the Church that the faithful avail themselves frequently of the [sic] of her sacraments and sacramentals is to be understood to apply also to the season of Lent. The "fast" and "abstinence" which the faithful embrace in this season does not extend to abstaining from the sacraments or sacramentals of the Church. The practice of the Church has been to empty the Holy Water fonts on the days of the Sacred Triduum in preparation of the blessing of the water at the Easter Vigil, and it corresponds to those days on which the Eucharist is not celebrated (i.e., Good Friday and Holy Saturday).

    Hoping that this resolves the question and with every good wish and kind regard, I am,

    Sincerely yours in Christ,
    [signed]
    Mons. Mario Marini [Now the Secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei]
    Undersecretary

One of these days I will tell you about the hijinx over holy water in Lent we had in seminary, the infamous Saint Paul Seminary, in Minnesota, where I did a couple years of hard time. But that’s another story.

About the holy water thing. 

Holy water is a sacramental. 

We get the powerful theology of its use in the older ritual in the prayers for exorcism of the water and salt used and then the blessing itself.  I wrote about this in an article for the WDTPRS series and it is on this blog

The rite of blessing holy water, in the older ritual, is powerful stuff.  It sounds odd, nearly foreign to our modern ears, especially after over 30 years of being force fed ICEL pabulum.

Holy Water is a power weapon of the spiritual life against the attacks of the devil

You do believe in the existence of the Enemy, … right? 

You know you are a soldier and pilgrim in a dangerous world, … right? 

So why… why… why would these liturgists and priests REMOVE a tool of spiritual warfare precisely during the season of LENT when we need it the most?? 

Holy water is a sacramental. 

It is for our benefit. 

It is not a toy, or something to be abtained from, like chocolate or television.

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24 Feb: Comet Lulin and Saturn converge! … but wait…. there’s more!

From SpaceWeather.com

COSMIC COINCIDENCE: What are the odds? On Tuesday, Feb. 24th, Saturn and Comet Lulin will converge in the constellation Leo only 2 degrees apart. At the same time, Comet Lulin will be making its closest approach to Earth – the comet at its best! – [… but wait…. there’s more!] while four of Saturn’s moons transit the disk of the ringed planet in view of backyard telescopes. Oh, and the Moon will be New, providing dark skies for anyone who wishes to see the show.

The best time to look is around 1 a.m. Tuesday morning (your local time) when the planet-comet combo ascend high in the southern sky. To the unaided eye, Comet Lulin looks like a faint patch of gas floating next to golden Saturn. Point your backyard telescope at that patch and you will see a lovely green comet with a double tail.

Visit http://spaceweather.com for full coverage including photos, sky maps, and a live webcast.

Geographic Notes: Comet Lulin is visible from all parts of the globe–all longitudes and both hemispheres. Directions are reversed in the southern hemisphere; there the comet is located in the northern sky around 1 am.  Saturn is globally visible, too, [… but wait…. there’s more!]  but the special quadruple transit of Saturn’s moons starting around 3 a.m. PST on Feb. 24th is visible only to observers around the Pacific Rim.  Details may be found here: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/19feb_quadrupletransit.htm

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Archd. of St.Paul/Mpls: additional TLM

From a reader:

Perhaps you know already, but here are excerpts from my pastor, Fr. Bryan J.B. Pedersen, writing in today’s bulletin from Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Robbinsdale, MN (http://sacredheartrobbinsdale.org/):

"Over the last few months I have been praying a great deal about pastoral generosity. This is so because I have been receiving requests in written form and also verbally from some parishioners, and other Catholics who live in the western suburbs of Minneapolis, for me to celebrate a weekly Sunday Mass in Latin. …

"Because of the requests made by our Holy Father to be generous to those who desire the older form of the Mass, and because I am one of the few priests in the Archdiocese capable of responding to such requests. Therefore for these reasons and in a spirit of generosity I have decided on an experimental basis to add a third Mass to our Sunday Schedule in the extraordinary form of the Mass. … The additional Mass on Sunday will begin on March 1st, which is the first Sunday of Lent, and will ordinarily start at 11:30 am. The additional Mass will be in the extraordinary form using the Roman Missal in use in 1962 per the instruction of our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI. One of the reasons the additional mass will be on an experimental basis is due to the fact that I must determine if the requests I have been receiving do in fact constitute a stable group who will respond with generosity to our parish. The additional Sunday Mass will initially be celebrated at the Side Altar of St. Mary in the transept. If the number of people attending the older form of the Latin Mass is greater than initially expected then I will shift to using the main altar in the sanctuary. For the time being the Mass will be a low Mass, which means that it will be without music."

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QUAERITUR: Do I have the right to a wedding or funeral TLM?

From a reader:

A TLM community blog included the following entry. Is it correct in asserting that everyone, everywhere has a right to a nuptial or funeral TLM?

"It is also important to remember that anyone, at any parish, anywhere is entitled to a Traditional Latin Mass for their marriage or their funeral. ….. Tell your friends! Perhaps they don’t know that they are entitled to be married and even buried the same way their family has been for centuries."

 

I don’t know what blog that might have been, but my inclination is to say NO, we do not have the right to a nuptial or funeral TLM.  We have the right to a nuptial or a funeral Mass, but not necessarily a TLM.

Because this gets into an area for which I am not expertly trained, I consulted a canonist I trust.

Here is his answer, which strikes me as on the mark (my emphases).

 

Personally, I think it’s unfortunate that our legal system went in the direction of "rights" full bore after the Council. To me it always seems a bit…American, maybe?… to talk about rights and the sacraments.
 
That said, I think it’s a stretch to maintain that Summorum pontificum has given the faithful the right to have the sacraments or funerals celebrated according to the usus antiquior. They certainly have the right to request that, and the right to expect that their request will be treated with respect. They don’t have the right to force a priest to celebrate an EF wedding or funeral against his will, nor do they have the right to expect that the bishop will produce a priest out of thin air to provide them with the fulfillment of their desire.

The law establishes that all the faithful (not just the lay faithful) have "the right to worship God according to the prescripts of their own rite approved by the legitimate pastors of the Church" (c. 214). Since our rite now includes both an ordinary and extraordinary form, I don’t see how a priest who provided the ordinary form of the liturgy, properly celebrated, could be seen as violating the right of the faithful who request a funeral or wedding. Article 9 of SP gives the pastor the right to utilize the former ritual "bono animarum suadente," which places the discretion clearly in his hands, not in the hands of those who request it for themselves.
 
I also maintain, that if we talk about rights, we need to speak in equal voice about obligations and responsibilities – the faithful have a responsibility to foster and encourage vocations, to support their pastors, to maintain full communion with the Church, to evangelize, to assist the poor, etc (see cc. 208ff).
 
It’s important that we not start looking at the Church as some entity outside of ourselves, from whom we demand the sacraments according to our need. 

 

I think that is a well-balanced answer. 

I am certainly in great sympathy with those who want the TLM not only for special occasions, but for everyday worship.  But that will come about only if in the future we have fostered vocations and given proper support to our legitimate aspirations.

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Wangaratta: TLM

A reader sent this:

Summorum Pontificum Wangaratta (Victoria Australia) now has Mass on the 2nd and 4th Sunday of the month at 5pm in Delaney Chapel, St. Patrick’s Wangaratta. See blog for more info. www.wlms.blogspot.com

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QUAERITUR: fingers together after the consecration

From a seminarian:

In the Tridentine Rite of the Holy Mass, the Priest, after touching the Sacred Host, would then henceforth not seperate his fingers from the manner of keeping them together (thumb and index fingers). He would also keep his hands sixteen inches apart.

My question would then be: is this still permissible in the Novus Ordo or has this been suppressed? Any clarification you could give me would be helpful as I will be Ordained in a few years.

 

I am not so sure about the 16 inches thing.  I believe that the point is to keep your fingers over the corporal in case some particle might drop.  It would drop onto the corporal.

It is certainly okay for the priest to hold his "canonical digits" together in the Novus Ordo after the consecration and to keep them over the corporal.  As a matter of fact, I think he ought to.

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Who paid for Speaker Pelosi’s trip?

I wonder how much Speaker Pelosi’s trip cost the American people?

What was personal?  What was actually on behalf of the American people?

I’m just askin’.

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Closing parishes, preparing for the future… Fr. Z rants

I have had a few e-mails in the last couple days about a very painful topic: parish closings.

People are rightly angry and sad when a parish is closed.

Many factors are involved in a parish closing: shift in demographics, economic downturns, need to expand, etc.

So… I have great sympathy with people who are angry.

It irks me that places should be closed when so many people sacrificed for generations to build what is there.

But… but… ff people are not coming… if people are not giving… what is the alternative to closing a parish? 

Do people think that parishes are free?

We are heading into a massive change in our economy and resources.  But bills at parishes still have to be paid.

I have a sinking feeling that many places wouldn’t necessary have to be closed if some creativity was applied.  I am thinking of the fantastic work done by Fr. Philips at St. John Cantius in Chicago.  He turned a dying disaster into a world famous gem.  How did he do it?  He stuck to the Church’s doctrine in his preaching, the texts and rubrics in worship, and used both the older and the newer forms of Mass.  He stressed the Polish heritage of the parish and made sure there was always something going on.

As I write, I am thinking about a scene in the movie Cinderella Man.  During the Depression people gather at the Catholic parish church.  Their parish is the focal point of their interaction and social activities and support in those troubled times. 

They pool their resources to make a single chocolate cake for the birthdays of several children.

Throughout the history of the West, the Church was the powerful agency of support in times of need.  The Church coordinated groups of laypeople in guilds and confraternities for social support and projects of charity, spiritual and material. 

I have always thought of parishes as, among other things, the nexus points for spiritual and corporal works of mercy.

I wonder if we shouldn’t start planning NOW for how to organize for feeding the elderly and creating opportunities for entertainment for young people at the parish.

We need some creative thinking, thick skin and really sturdy backbones.  We must ready ourselves for what is going to come.

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QUAERITUR: How do we make the Novus Ordo better?

From a reader:

Fr. Z: I’m a Junior at ___ in the Television Department. I’ve stumbled upon your blog a few times, and I’ve noticed that you celebrate the Latin Mass. (Tridentine?)

I have a question for you. I’ve witnessed a big debate over how whether or not the Novus Ordo Mass is being followed how it was intended upon it’s release post-Vatican II. If it’s one’s opinion that it is NOT, what could be done to follow it more correctly, and why aren’t parishes with priests who support that viewpoint putting those things into practice, rather than using both the "incorrect" Novus Ordo and the "way better" Tridentine?

Hmmm….

What the Council Fathers wanted for a reform is definitely NOT what we got.  Nevertheless, what we got wasn’t actually followed correctly in most places.

The key to celebration of any of the Church’s liturgies is simply to…

We should stick to the books, that is, the texts and the rubrics.  Just do what Holy Church asks. 

It’s that simple.

Don’t make it up.  Don’t change it around.  Just do what the Church asks.

The sacred action of the liturgy is very powerful, because the true Actor is really Jesus Christ the High Priest, … provided we get out of the way.

Two things which will help.

First, the new translation we are waiting for.  The language of the Novus Ordo as it stands now is appalling.

Second, priests should learn how to celebrate the older form of Mass!  Learn the TLM!  That will help a priest’s ars celebrandi and give him deep insights into who he is at the altar and what Holy Mass really is.  Learn the older form will affect the way he celebrates the Novus Ordo.

I suppose at this point some people will want to jump in an say "make the Novus Ordo better by getting rid of it".   Since we know that is not going to happen anytime soon… keep it to yourselfI will probably delete your comments and kick you off the blog for a while.  The point here is how to make the Novus Ordo better.

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