ASK FATHER: Does the humeral veil contradict in the use of Eucharistic ministers?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

When the humeral veil is used does it not show a contradiction in the use of Eucharistic ministers? I’m really interested in trying to form an argument against Eucharistic ministers, by way of something everyone seemingly has no issue with, that being the instances where the humeral veil is used and what it shows us by it’s use. Does this make sense? Am I incorrect in my theory here?

GUEST PRIEST RESPONSE: Fr. Tim Ferguson

Hmmm – let’s clean up the language a bit – Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.

I’m not sure that the humeral veil’s use in either the current Missal or the previous ritual provides a strong argument against the use of Extraordinary Ministers. It certainly speak to the reverence we should have for the Eucharist, but since the priest who uses the humeral veil also gets to touch the vessel (and the Sacrament) with unveiled hands, I’m not sure it could be used to de-justify extraordinary ministers, except in a broad, symbolic way.

I was reflecting, the other day, that the use of gold vessels exclusively for the Holy Eucharist might be a stronger (albeit still symbolic) argument. Gold, which has been tested in the crucible of fire, can symbolize the (ideal) purity of the priesthood (let’s not talk too much about the crucible of seminary)

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ROME 22/06 – Day 22: “Even in another church St. Rita is sad… about… you know.”

On this hot hot hot Roman day, and humid, the sun rose at 5:33 and will set in a few minutes at 20:52.  The Ave Maria is in the 21:15 cycle.  Would you like to hear a recording of a real Ave Maria chime?

I was refused a taxi today by drivers who claimed a strike.  It is too laugh, as Bugs would say.   Anyway, rather than hoof it in the heat, I popped into a church I hadn’t seen for a while. San Pantaleone.

Saint Paula is holding away from the reach of the child the consistory list, because she knows it will hurt her.

Because you should be reminded to

GO TO CONFESSION!

How long, O Lord?

Look at this liturgical nightmare, and here is the body of their great saint!

No, child, you may not see the consistory list.  Look what it did to your brother.

When I see St. Anne I think of the late, great Extraordinary Ordinary, whose like we long to see again.

Even in another church St. Rita is sad… about… you know.

I walked over the Ghetto, because I wanted to scope out a possible street for an apartment.  Meanwhile, something to eat.

In the area I stopped in at another church, and there was this tomb, on which the inscription had some pointed remarks.

More later.   Meanwhile, as I make my supper and construct this post, I am aware that Nepo took the lead today.

I raise my glass to all you who helped me to come here.  You are in my daily prayers.

 

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Vatican Synod’s (“walking together”) on spirituality of synodality (“walking togetherality”) is coming: The merciful heart loves… demons.

This isn’t satire or parody or Fr. Z’s version of the Babylon Bee.

The Vatican’s Synod (“walking together”) on Synodality (“walking togetherality”) is coming.    They produced a document on the spirituality of synodality.   HERE and PDF of the actual document HERE.

I wrote about this yesterday.   HERE   I pointed out a couple of their core ideas, such as, “It is not enough to have a synod. We must be a synod.” and “The point of entry must always be ‘situatedness’.”

I promise you I am not making this up.  A reader clued me in.

On page document page 29 (PDF page 31).

Discernment, then, is also an opening of the heart in love and mercy to all things. As St Isaac of Nineveh (St Isaac the Syrian) expresses it:

What is a merciful heart? It is a heart on fire for the whole of creation, for humanity, for the birds, for the animals, for demons, and for all that exists. By the recollection of them, the eyes of a merciful person pour forth tears in abundance. By the strong and vehement mercy that grips such a person’s heart, and by such great compassion, the heart is humbled, and one cannot bear to hear or to see any injury or slight sorrow in any in creation. For this reason, such a person offers up tearful prayer continually even for irrational beasts, for the enemies of the truth, and for those who harm her or him, that they be protected and receive mercy. And in like manner, such a person prays for the family of reptiles because of the great compassion that burns without measure in a heart that is in the likeness of God.18

18 First Collection, Homily 74.

Do get out there and pray for reptiles.   Or maybe for demons depicted as reptiles?

Hmmm… isn’t Satan first depicted in Scripture as being a reptile?  Isn’t the S. American demon/god Quetzalcoatl a feathered serpent?

Here’s the situatedness.  This quote of Isaac the Syrian, “of Nineveh”, is quite popular in Eastern Christian thought.  Google it.  You find it also amongst environmentalists and animal rights activists such as the Animal Liberation Front (really).

At first glance this is a little alarming. My first thought was, “What does he mean in Syriac by demon?”   I looked around at some of Isaac the Syrian’s writings.  He talks about demons quite a bit and he really means demons: fallen angels.  Isaac is also considered by scholars to be – not without some disagreeing – a believer in apokatastasis, that is, the eventual salvation of all creatures.  For now, Isaac thinks that there truly is a Heaven and a Hell and that Hell is not empty.  But eventually?  [Not sure how that works.]

He also believes that God loves the damned and that the damned know that and that it makes them suffer more.

If there is out there an expert on Isaac the Syrian’s thought, please correct me if I am wrong.

In any event, it seems to me a curious thing to find, in a document produced by the Vatican’s Synod (“walking together”) document on the spirituality of synodality (“walking togetherality”), there should be a reference to loving – what else does “having a heart on fire” mean? – demons, when it was for a Synod that the demon idol Pachamama and all the environment mumbo jumbo was being bandied about.

It is not out of bounds to quote non-Catholic writers in such a document, but it seems to me that they’ve gone rather far afield to find someone who – and there’s a difference – affirms their position rather than shapes their position.

It seems to me that if you were on a team that was trying to get Catholics with skulls full of mush open to praying to trees and loving lizards with “hearts on fire” and even loving demons, this would be on the reading list.

Put enough of these comments into enough documents or speeches, and the cumulative effect over time will manifest itself.

It’s going to look a lot like a demon, too.

 

 

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ASK FATHER: What if 100 priests wanted to leave a diocese because of the bishop?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

What if… How hard is it for a priest to move away from one diocese and be incardinated in another? Wouldn’t it be a loud and stunning message if, say, 100 or so priests decided to move away from dioceses with bad bishops to one to four dioceses with faithful bishops.

How hard is it for a priest to move to another diocese?  It is as easy or as hard as the bishops involved want to make it.

Yes.  A hundred priests suddenly wanting to leave and actually taking action.  That would make a real statement.  Of course that scenario involves men leaving also their homes, that is, the area where they grew up, which also means distance from their families.  Our Lord did say that we should be willing to leave everything and everyone for His sake.  And it is true that people do leave their home turf for work or for love or for other interests.  But it is a factor.

Also, priests are not just pawns on a chessboard, or warm bodies to be plugged into empty slots.   They are treated that way quite often, of course.  Often they are treated like indentured servants who have, barely, right to Christian burial… and that’s about it.   Just think for a moment about how bishops treated priests via the Dallas Charter, which has ongoing, seriously annoying and unjust implications for priests.  By the way: the bishops exempted themselves from the burdens they laid on the priests.

Another thing to be considered is the pressure on the excardinating bishop and the incardinating bishop from other bishops!   I suspect that they would want to snuff out such a development and make it is hard as possible to do.

The overall scheme of moving, according to the Church’s laws, involves a “trial period” in the new diocese of several years.  Also, excardination from one diocese shouldn’t be denied unless there is a good reason.  Of course it is possible for a bishop to decide to be unreasonable.  Bishops can torture priests in a thousand ways.

And there are other human factors involved.  For example, how well would the local presbyterate welcome the influx?   It could be that a sudden increase in numbers would be very welcome indeed, especially by overworked priests.  Still, it could happen that the incoming men would forever be treated as “outsiders”.  That happens.

Also, on the human level, each priest has his own individual history and issues.  A bishop would not be wrong to consider that, even though he might be hungry for more priests.

Alas, I suspect that this factor suppresses the last embers of warmth some bishops might have, so that they move reluctantly, everyone (lawyers) hounding them to be careful, etc. “Maybe if you drag it out, the potential for problems will go away and it won’t look like it’s your fault.”

It would be an amazing bishop who, seeing a decent priest who would be a good fit, says, “Yes, please do come!” instead of a hemming and hawing “Well, okay.  I guess you can come.”   It is far more likely that a bishop would leave guys twisting in the wind, oblivious to the pain.

The old Roman adage is “cunctando regitur mundus… the world is ruled by delaying”.  This cuts two ways, of course.  One could digress on the disaster that 6 year assignments for priests has produced over time. But I won’t.

In the case of a priest moving – or a seminarian for that matter – be wary of going to a place because there is a good bishop there.  Bishops come and bishops go.  Go to some place because of the bishop and, bammo, he retires, moves or dies. Then there comes “a new pharaoh who knows not Joseph” and you are well and truly up the proverbial creek.   The potential for heartbreak is galactic.

Lay people could experience this by uprooting and moving close to a great parish. Then, wham!, the pastor changes and everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

A take away for seminarians would be this.  It is far more prudent, if it is necessary to move for the sake of your vocation (if not to religious life or a specialized group), to go to a place where you think you will be happy, bishop notwithstanding.

I’m afraid that the state of affairs is highly iffy right now, my dear readers.  There is little unity or consistency of Cult, Code and Creed in the Church right now, amongst priests and bishops too, which makes local changes a real crap shoot.

And as I write, I am conscious that, in the USA at least, this is the time of year that lots of diocese priests’ assignments are being made and men are moving around.

 

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LOOK! UP IN THE SKY!

I read at Spaceweather.com …

MORNING PLANET SHOW: For the first time in almost 20 years, five naked-eye planets have lined up in the morning sky in order of their distance from the sun: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. This week the Moon will hop from planet to planet, producing a series of beautiful conjunctions. Set your alarm for dawn and enjoy the show! Sky maps: June 2223242526.

Also, apparently there is a massive sunspot, several times the size of your planet, which could produce some worrisome effects.  Solar cycle 25 is underway.

I must get on that antenna project.

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ASK FATHER: Bishop bully: You have the right to kneel, but not to a kneeler.

From a reader….

QUAERITUR:

We had a kneeler for those who wished to kneel and receive on the tongue. The Bishop ordered kneelers removed from the three parishes in the diocese that allowed their use. This impacts the elderly and infirm. His reasons: We have the right to kneel but no right to a kneeler and it’s not in the rubrics. Later, pushed by a fellow parishioner, he back pedaled to: It’s not recommended. I want to submit a written “request/protest”. Any suggestions for a defense for those of us clinging to the faith by our finger tips? Unfortunately, TLM is out of reach for many of us. Thank you for the opportunity to ask.

GUEST RESPONSE: Fr. Tim Ferguson

Men who do this sort of thing are bullies. It’s nice that he’s backed off on an outright ban and moved to a mere “recommendation.” If the pastor is comfortable with it, then keep the kneeler in place. If the pastor is unwilling to do so (and he may have good reasons – disobeying the bishop’s “recommendation” may come at a cost too high to bear), then we have to get creative. Kneelers are forbidden, but are large, firm pillows, with Knights of Columbus standing by to help up the elderly when they kneel? What about reserving the front pew for those who wish to kneel for Holy Communion, and once the priest is finished distributing to those coming up in file, he goes over to the front pew and dispenses to those kneeling in the first pew?

Bullies are tough to fight. When the bully is also the principal’s pet, then creativity needs to ramp up even higher.

Fr. Z RESPONDS:

If there is a Catholic piece of furniture, it’s probably a kneeler.  No wonder modernists hate kneelers and kneeling and those who kneel.

Perhaps one might consider diminishing the parish’s payment to the chancery by the amount that you have to increase your insurance in case someone should fall, because they don’t a Communion rail to kneel at.

UPDATE: 

I have the solution.

Everyone should get one of these garden kneelers, that help people get up and down when doing their gardening!  You can get them through my Amazon link, too.   US HERE

It’s perfect.  It has pockets for Latin prayer books, for LACE chapel veils, for a Rosary to be said while hearing Mass.  It’s all a “seasoned” Restorationist need!

And it is GREEN!

I’m picturing as a write, a line of people moving forward with these, sort of like walkers, but not.  Then, once in a long line parallel with the altar, everyone kneels and Father goes down the row with Communion.   Then back to the pews.  Orrrrrr…. maybe going over the Sacred Heart statue for a while and prayer from the Latin prayer book while Mass concludes.

 

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ROME 22/06 – Day 21: Different kinds of pawns

We are past the Solstice.   Sunrise was at 5:33 and sunset will be at 20:52.  The Ave Maria should ring at 21:15

One of the saddest lines in all of the New Testament, but also one leading to profound mysteries, is “They have no wine.”   And something was done about it.

You can get some wine and, at the same time, help the traditional Benedictines of the Abbey of Le Barroux in France.  These guys are the real deal.  Check out their streams of the office.   The monks have revived vineyards of the old papal estates.  Very cool.

You can get 10% off with the code: FATHERZ10 – They have a nice 4 bottle assortment right now.  Click HERE

Yesterday I ran an errand over by P.za Navona and visited the churches, Sant’Agnes and Sacro Cuore.

It’s hard to see, but there is an inscription by the door going into Sant’Agnese describing that someone fleeing from the law must get to the door of the church for sanctuary and not just the iron fence.

Mighty Agnes, Virgin and Martyr, pray for us.  She is a patroness of mine, due to how and where I entered the Catholic Church.

In this church is preserved the baptismal font of another of my Roman friends, the great Santa Francesca Romana, who had the blessing of being able to see her guardian angel.  She is a patroness of mine due to how I entered Rome and began my serious Romanization.

My guess is that the putti are holding the chrism and perhaps a bowl to pour the water.

Wouldn’t it be something to get that baptismal font into use again?  Why not?

In a shop that sells mostly touristy junk at the corner of the main side entrance to Navona, there are quite a few chess sets.   Since I know you are all with child to see them, here is a small sampling.

Have you been following the Candidates Tournament in Madrid?  The winner faces Magnus.  If I am in my apartment in the afternoon, I have live coverage on.  They’ve only played four rounds at the time of this writing, so there is a lot of chess yet to be played.  However, Nepo is on top followed by Fabi.  I am rooting a bit for Rapport and Ding.   Nakamura has been very strong.  He manages time really well as one might expect from a bullet champ.  It’s a little scary to see how their minds work, how they calculate.  And memories?  How do they keep those opening lines in their heads?

Cats and dogs.   No.  I prefer, by far, well-weighted Staunton pieces.  Although, I could make do with these.

There are a lot more. But they also have little figures of various military groups.  The Swiss Guard is well represented as are the Roman legions.  A chess set of Swiss Guards against the German troops of 1527.  I’ll bet that could be done.

In Sacro Cuore Mass was just beginning so I didn’t snoop around.  3 people at Mass, which equaled the number in the sanctuary.

I know that, since I’ve written about them before, you are eager to see as many inscriptions about privileged altars as possible.

Speaking of pawns… this is the “Monte di Pietà”, near Campo de’ Fiori and Ss. Trinità and, of course, the Jewish quarter or “ghetto”.

Back to pawns… but not chess pawns.

The building from the 17th c., substituted the so-called “monte dei pegni” or “monte di pieta” which could be rendered as “pawnshop” which was established by Paul III (Farnese) in 1539 for lending money on pledge.  This was formed to combat usury on the part of the Jews in the nearby quarter.  Carlo Moderno did work on it. The bell tower with clock is Borromini. You must read The Genius in the Design: Bernini, Borromini, and the Rivalry That Transformed Rome by Jake Morrisey.  US HERE – UK HERE

It’s a terrific account of the careers of these two pivotal figures, once partners, then rivals, a huge success with ups and downs and a genius who committed suicide.  Borromini is buried in the Florentine national church, which I am sure is getting ready for Friday.

As it turns out, the square and streets around “Pawnshop Palace” are still lined with pawnshops.  As a matter of fact, the late Fr. Luigi Parrone, who grew up in the building with the big rectangular door in the photo below, recounted how in the spring Roman women would come here to pawn their expensive furs, so they would be stored in climatized vaults, and then get them out of hock in the fall.

This old advertisement has happily been preserved on the side of the square.  There is a whole cult, I think, of Italian poster art and advertising that is special.  No one did it better.

I’m not sure that the whole “combat usury” thing worked all the time.  Romans came to call the place “Monte d’Empietà… ‘heap’ of godlessness'”.  It seems the interest might have been a little high.

Finally, my alstroemeria is doing well.  It isn’t the very brightest of colors, but it tends to endure.  Thanks for the flowers, dear donors.  They brighten things.

Yesterday, I said Holy Mass for my Roman Sojourn Donors.  As my days here wane, I appreciate you that much more.

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“The point of entry must always be ‘situatedness’.”

A priest friend alerted me to the Vatican website link promising to inform us about a spirituality of synodality (“walking together”).

https://www.synod.va/en/highlights/towards-a-spirituality-for-synodality.html

Of course I rushed to that page, eager to read more about a spirituality of synodality (“walking together”), as one does.

I tried again and again and… again, longing for insight into a spirituality of synodality (“walking together”).

Finally, having navigated in the dark wood in which I found myself, success: a button leading to a PDF but without a copyable link… which I found anyway because in the Vatican they update their tech every 75 years whether it needs it or not.  HERE and then for the PDF HERE

Core points:

“It is not enough to have a synod. We must be a synod.”

“The point of entry must always be ‘situatedness’.”

Also, I found this graphic to be very instructive as I walk together in synodality toward “the beyond of the Spirit”:

Of course so long as those who desire traditional sacred liturgical worship are violently shoved to the periphery by their pastors, ignored and repressed, this is all B as in B, S as in S.

 

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Too good not to post

Sicilian priests renounce their lace and give the Pope a new car.

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ROME 22/06 – Day 20: Field of flowers

Sunrise was at 5:33 and sunset at 20:51 and the Ave Maria, were it to chime in SCV, 21:15. The Summer Solstice occurred at 9:13 UTC.  It is the Feast of St. Aloysius Gonzaga in both the Novus and Vetus.

I had to pick up a few things in Campo de’ Fiori, including… fiori.  One of you kind readers recently sent a Venmo donation and I bought some flowers for the apartment.   THANK YOU!

It’s HOT.   Doesn’t it look hot?   P.za Farnese.

Oh… by the way… remember to order some beer from the great monks at Norcia!

Please remember me when shopping online. Thanks in advance. US HERE – UK HERE

Campo de’ Fiori, open market in the mornings.  Once upon a time, place of executions.

Some random shots.

My favorite “deli”, Ruggieri.

I know I posted some photos of the tomb of St. Aloysius a week or so ago, but here they are again.

St. Aloysius Gonzaga.

Again, I prayed here for a good long time.

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