Card. Burke interviewed by Raymond Arroyo. The Cardinal’s advice.

His Eminence Raymond Leo Card. Burke (whom Clement XIV-II would give the title “Indagator Particularis in perpetuo)” was on Raymond Arroyo’s show last night.

Here is the full video. I set it to start at the interview.

Among interesting moments are

  • Card. Burke’s reaction to Fr. Rosica’s strange remarks about how the Pope rules: 25:45
  • Card. Burke’s advice to how to deal with with our present situation. 28:00

Among those things he recommends are:

  1. Remember that there is preternatural, demonic activity involved.
  2. Prayer and fasting are needed. Make sacrifices and acts of reparation. Yes, he said “reparation”!
  3. In particular, celebrate the sacred liturgy well so that we can benefit from the graces Christ offers for the Church.

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Indagator Particularis!

Also, the Cardinal was interviewed by Thomas McKenna of Catholic Action for Faith and Family.

I thought this paragraph was interesting.

There existed in the Roman Pontifical (the Latin Catholic liturgical book that contains the rites performed by bishops) for centuries the rites for the degradation of clerics and also of hierarchy who had failed gravely in their office. I believe it would be helpful to read over again those rites to understand deeply what the Church has always understood, which is that shepherds can go astray, even in a grave way, and then must be appropriately disciplined and even dismissed from the clerical state.

GMTA!

I would remind the readership that on 29 July I posted about the Rite of Degradation of the Bishop in the traditional Roman Pontifical.  I provided the Latin and a translation.  Already in 2006 I had posted about these rites.  I posted about the Rite of Degradation of a Priest on 17 August.  I also suggested, yesterday, that seminarians and priests should reflect on these rites, perhaps side by side with the older, traditional rite of ordination so that they can, from a negative point of view, gain additional insight into who they are supposed to be.  We can learn from failure too.

 

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Insightful observation about Pope Francis – UPDATES!

UPDATE 14 Aug 1355 UTC:

The cat is out of the bag, but the chase is on.

The quote, below, has been removed at ZENIT and replaced with ellipsis.

But, for the moment at least, it is still at Rosica’s site “Salt and Light“.

By email I learned that someone added the page to Wayback.

Originally Published on: Aug 13, 2018 @ 20:25

Fr. Thomas Rosica, CSB, wrote a really positive piece about Pope Francis as a Jesuit and about how Jesuits work, how they think, etc.

This is a really interesting comment from Rosica about the Holy Father.

From Zenit:

Pope Francis breaks Catholic traditions whenever he wants, because he is “free from disordered attachments.” Our Church has indeed entered a new phase: with the advent of this first Jesuit pope, it is openly ruled by an individual rather than by the authority of Scripture alone or even its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture. Pope Francis has brought to the Petrine office a Jesuit intellectualism.

See?  I told you it was interesting.  It has garnered a bit of attention in the Tweetosphere.

I wonder what it means.

The moderation queue is most DEFINITELY ON.

UPDATE 14 August:

A Rosica tweet that seem relevant:

UPDATE 17 August:

I was sent a link to a longish piece by Fr. Rosica which he posted at his Salt and Light site: “We all are in this boat together” : A Reflection on the Current Crisis in the Church”.  Rosica’s piece is 2290 words long.

It is undoubtedly true that we are all in this together, as human beings, all of us, made in God’s image and as baptized members of Christ’s Mystical Person.  Hence, we need to use charity with each other, looking to what is truly the other’s good.

Here is a paragraph that stood out for me and which prompted me to do a little search within the webpage.

Clerical Celibacy
There are those who think incorrectly that obligatory clerical celibacy contributes to depression and causes the sexual abuse of children. Celibacy is not in itself a factor, but – like any form of the Christian life taken and lived seriously – it has its perils. When celibacy works well for priests, it can be a blessed source of spiritual and pastoral fruitfulness for the Church; when it works badly it can be very damaging and have devastating effects. Priests and religious who sexually abused children did so because of the sexual disorder of pedophilia or ephebophilia. They abused because of a sexual disorder, not because they were celibate. The studies are clear on this point: most child abuse takes place within the family. Sexual abuse of a child by a family member results in serious, psychological trauma, especially in the case of parental incest. We have right to be angry over the current situation but no right to despair. We must pray for a true cleansing of the temple – of the Church. We must pray that our anger and frustration not lead us to hopelessness but to a deeper witness of faith and a holy life especially in such difficult times.

If we are to treat each other with charity, then we also must deal in the truth.  Identifying the truth of the underlying problems we face together in this boat of ours, is absolutely necessary.

So, I ask: Is there anything missing from that paragraph?

Not once in his 2290 word long piece does Fr. Rosica mention the true underlying cause of 99% of the problem we face: homosexuality.

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ASK FATHER: Lethal force against homosexual aggression in seminary?

From a reader….

QUAERITUR:

Is it morally permissible for one to use lethal force in stopping a predator in a situation of abuse (i.e. in a seminary or elsewhere)?

In my opinion, yes.

Given that homosexual aggression can be also horrifically violent, you do not know for sure that you are not defending your life.   It is correct and pious to say, “I’d rather be killed than… blah blah…”.  That’s all well and good.

Yes, you can defend yourself with lethal force.  I think this is important for women to know, too.  I highly recommend certain kinds of training, if for no other reason than to be well-informed about options in a realistic way.  Training also will surely involve avoidance and deescalation strategies.

We have the right to defend our lives and the lives of the innocent – and their innocence – who are endangered.   Make sure you cannot be hurt anymore and then stop and call 911.

In every situation, if possible, you should ideally use the least amount of force to stop the aggression.   Force is only used to end threats.  Your intent must not be to kill, but to end the threat.  Full stop.

I’m talking here, of course, not about a fairly non-violent grab without follow up, etc.  I talking here, of course, not about an awkward moment involving misunderstanding which ends as fast as it started.  I’m talking about real aggression.  You don’t break an arm at an attempt to, say, tickle or cop a feel – though I’ll be some women might disagree.  But there are other situations in which a broken arm is how you stop the aggressor.

That can be really hard to assess when you are in the “black zone”.  When you are in condition black, you experience mental changes and physiological effects that, unless you have experienced them, are hard to predict.  Among them are changes to your range of vision, hearing, time perception.  Your physical reactions and reflexes can be repressed or increased.  Your heart is racing.  Your adrenaline is flooding.  You are in “fight or flight”.  Afterward, your memory of what happened will often be impaired.

When you’ve bene through this, even once, then you have a different idea about “I’d rather be killed than… blah blah…”.  If you’ve been through it more than once, then… well.

There was only one situation in which I physically had to defend myself from a homosexual aggression.  In Rome.  Yes, it was clerical. It did NOT involve the “black zone”, however.  It involved maybe “orangey-red zone” and a lot of anger.  He was fortunate that that was “back when” and not now, in Rome, not in these USA. I suspect that his therapy lasted decades. No.  I’m sure of it.  Speed and training gave me the advantage.  But aggressors don’t fight fair.   Neither should you, “fight fair”.  You use instant and decisive force to stop the threat. Think… Jack Reacher.

I would do that again with no hesitation. “NO!” means “HELL NO!”  I have real compassion for those who suffer from these inclinations.  I have little patience for those who don’t strive to deal with them properly.  Assault is assault.  You don’t want to guess at what is at the end of any assault of any kind.

Yes, you can defend yourself, even with lethal force.  But I also must say that it is a horrible thing to take a life.  Moreover, it could render you irregular for Holy Orders except in cases of legitimate self-defense!  That can be remedied with recourse to the proper authority, in the case of legitimate self-defense or defense of others.  Censures can be lifted if they were incurred, but that is the stuff of another post.  [I edited that bit, a bit.]

That said, I think the chances of homosexual aggression in seminary now are highly unlikely.  Not only is there the recent news, but, frankly, seminaries have been cleaned up.  I wouldn’t give that a second thought if you are considering seminary.  I think the chances of homosexual inuendo in seminaries will be highly unlikely.

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Search within the text for the word “reparation”.  Zero.

I just read a “round up” of statements of US bishops about L’Affaire McCarrick, into which we fold the PA Report.

I did a search within the text for the word “reparation”.  Zero.

“Penance” only was mentioned in the case of the future like McCarrick is to have, via the Pope.

Reparation.

We will all reflect and consider and weigh and seek forgiveness and plan and promise and discuss.

Reparation.

Reparation.

Reparation.

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ASK FATHER: Can I go to a wedding at an SSPX chapel?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

Is it permissible to attend an SSPX wedding? I thought that the couple (or priest) would first need to request permission from the local bishop and then also have a diocesan priest at the wedding, but I was recently told that these two things aren’t necessary anymore.

All things considered, yes, I think you can attend an SSPX wedding.   SSPX priests may still be – in some ways – though this is confusing in the time of Francis – suspended, but the same Francis has said that the priests of the SSPX can absolve validly and can, now, also witness marriages, so long as they work something out with the local diocese.

I am sure that local dioceses, local bishops, have been gracious in this regard.  If they haven’t… then…

Sorry, my words failed me for a moment as I sought something not vicious to remark.

We can go to them for confession now.  We can go to them for marriage.  We can attend their Masses to fulfill our Sunday obligation.  In justice we can even contribute to their collection for the service we received.

The SSPX priests teach the classic, constant doctrine of the Church concerning the ends of marriage.  They use the classic, perfect form for the exchange of vows.  Francis has said that they can be legitimate witnesses with the consent of the local ordinary.

I would say, yes, you can go to the wedding.

Unless… this is a same-sex wedding.

HA!

 

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Yeahhh… this is exactly the right time to dress our clergy in pastels.

The Devil always tells us openly what he is up to.    Italians are really good at this sort of pithy wisdom.  Like…

Il diavolo non può nascondere la coda.

The Devil can’t hide his tail.

I wonder how obtuse are the people organizing the World Family meeting in Ireland truly are.

Frankly, the meeting ought to be rescheduled.   At the very least, certain homosexualist activists should not be speaking there.

Now I see the design for the designer vestments for the Masses there.

?!??!

ARE YOU JOKING?

I get the interlocking Celtic swirl thing.   Fine.

Unfortunately, I also think I get the colors.

In front of the entire world – including Ireland, if anyone there still pays attention to the Church – let’s put our top shelf prelates in … what the hell color is that anyway?… breath mint green?

Pastels?  I thought pastels were sooooo twenty-seventeen.

How tone deaf are these people?

Or, is this an example of what I was talking about before.

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The Rite of Degradation From The Order of Priesthood. Wherein Fr. Z rants.

A while back I posted about the old Rite of Degradation of a Bishop, found even in rather modern editions of the traditional Pontificale Romanum.  I posted the text, some notes and my translation.

The rites are provided for degrading an archbishop, bishop, priest, deacon, subdeacon, all the minor orders backwards.  If you were a bishop… you’d be there for awhile.

They start to work on you by stripping you of all the symbols of your office, and even scrape your hands with a glass shard or knife to get the chrism off.  They do the same for a priest, like a reverse ordination, taking away the chalice, vestment, scraping the fingers again.  From deacons they take the dalmatic and book.  You get the drift… all the way through the orders you would have received back to tonsure, which of course is when the clerical state began (today, it is with diaconate).

The tonsure part is truly harrowing.

When it is over, the Degrading Bishop is even instructed not even to touch the degraded man.   He stands there, head shaved and in secular clothes, now called in the rite “miserrimus ille derelictus… the most wretched outcast” to be turned over to civil authority for his crimes and sentencing.  However, the bishop addresses the Judge, who is standing by, and begs the Judge not to kill or mutilate him, for the love of God.

Hence, the Church recognized even in this rite, the right of the State to apply capital punishment, but the Church also begged for mercy.  Remember that our liturgical rites – and this is a liturgical rite – are also loci theologici.

NB: These rites were reserved for the worst sort of guy who had committed serious crimes.  In Latin: “If the cleric, once deposed by sentence according to the first form [a special formula given previously], seems to be incorrigible, he ought to be excommunicated.  And if, after getting into the depth of wicked acts he will still show contempt, then, since the Church has no other option for what do to, the Bishop should degrade him and leave him to the secular authorities: which degradation is done in this way:…”.

In the book, the layout is quite dramatic:  There is an inset subtitle:

Nunc degradationem subjicimus.

Here is the rite for degrading a priest.  I’ll continue to use “Degradandus” as a parallel to “Ordinandus”.

Degradatio ab ordine Presbyteratus

Ministri tradunt in manus degradandi Calicem cum vino, et aqua, ac Patena, et Hostia, quem Pontifex degradator aufert de manibus degradandi, dicens:

Amovemus a te, quin potius amotam esse ostendimus, potestatem offerendi Deo sacrificium, Missamque celebrandi tam pro vivis, quam pro defunctis.

The ministers put a Chalice with wine, water, and a Paten and Host into the hands of the Degradandus [the priest to be degraded], which the Bishop Degrader wihdraws from the hands of the Degradandus, saying:

We take away from you, nay rather we show that it was already removed, the power of offering sacrifice to God, and of celebrating Mass either for the living or for the dead.

Deinde Pontifex degradator abradit leviter cum cultello vel vitro, pollices, et indices utriusque manus degradandi, dicens:

Potestatem sacrificandi, consecrandi, et benedicendi, quam in unctione manuum et pollicum recepisti, tibi tollimus hac rasura.

Then the Bishop Degrader lightly scrapes with a knife or shard of glass, the thumbs and index fingers of both the hands of the Degrandandus, saying:

By this scraping we remove from you the power of sacrificing, consecrating and blessing which you received in the anointing of your hands and thumbs.

Quo dicto, Pontifex degradator accipit casulam sive planetam per posteriorem partem caputii, et degradandum exuit, dicens:

Veste Sacerdotali charitatem signante te merito expoliamus, quia ipsam, et omnem innocentiam exuisti.

Once said, the Bishop Degrader takes a chasuble or pianeta by the head-opening and strips it off the Degradandus, saying:

We rightly despoil you of the priestly garment signifying charity, because you already cast it off along with all innocence.

Tum Pontifex degradator aufert a degrandando stolam, dicens:

Signum Domini per hanc stolam turpiter abjecisti, ideoque ipsam a te amovemus, quem inhabilem reddimus ad omne Sacerdotale officium exercendum.

Then the Bishop Degrader removes the stole from the Degradandus, saying:

You basely threw aside the sign of the Lord in this stole, and therefore we remove it from you, whom we render unfit to exercise every priestly office.

If you were looking for the maniple, the Degradandus loses that when he is unsubdiaconated.

As mentioned, above, the degrading rites continue for diaconate and all through the minor orders to tonsure itself and turning the wretch over to civil authority.

Keep in mind that this rite, in all its medieval and solemn horror is in the Pontifical Romanum of Leo XIII, which is pretty modern.  I haven’t checked a newer 1962 Pontificale.

Before I was ordained, I used the Rite of Ordination as a point of meditation every day for quite some time before the date.  I did that for diaconate and priesthood.

It seems to me that this Rite of Degradation should be taught in seminaries.

It could be also a serious day of reflection for priests, to show the old rite of ordination side by side with the rite of degradation for all the stages.

I can say this: The careful reading I made to translate it, made my blood drop several degrees, which is really something given that it already runs cold through my chilly heart and icy veins.

There is a bright note, however.

There is a Rite of Degradation.  The notes talk about reconciliation after penance of those who committed crimina minora… lesser crimes.  There are also Rites of Restitution to Orders after suspension.

Degradation is for the worst of the worst.

I would say it would have been applied to clerics who promoted homosexuality and/or indulged in it themselves, especially with minors whom they groomed.  It would apply to bishops who covered up the abuse of minors and, probably who promoted the homosexual grip on the reins of power in seminaries and chanceries.

The Church applies censures medicinally and also vindictively.  The later is never preferred.

BTW… Benedict XIV was one of the Popes who revised the Pontificale Romanum.

Benedict deserves his very own FR. Z SWAG!

>>HERE<<

Behold…
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And… wear him with pride!

UPDATE:

Some of you have opined that the Rites of Degradation should be brought back and publicly televised.

As I read the “praenotanda” of the rites, everything to be prepared ahead of time, I find some indications that televised would be exactly what the Roman Pontiffs would have wanted, had they had television.

How do I claim that?

In the preparatory notes I read about the treatment of errant clerics.   If they are just being dealt with for lesser matters (like adultery) that’s one thing.  But for the really serious ones, there is degradation.  Why?  To terrify others.  Sort of like what Voltaire said about the execution of the British admiral: Pour encourager les autres.

The Latin:

Poterit tamen (quod convenientius videtur) ad aliorum terrorem actualis degradatio sic fieri.  In primis in publico extra Ecclesiam paratur aliquis eminens congruentis spatii locus, pro degradatione facienda…

The English:

However, there could be (as it is considered to me more appropriate) an active degradation, performed thusly.  Firstly, some prominent place with enough space is to be prepared in public, outside of the church, for carrying out the degradation…

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Fr Z calls for solidarity

I saw this tweet from Ed Pentin:

I call to mind Benedict XVI’s words in the Way of the Cross he wrote for Good Friday in John Paul II’s last days. For the 9th Station, the 3rd Fall, he wrote:

[…]

How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the priesthood, ought to belong entirely to him! How much pride, how much self-complacency! What little respect we pay to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, where he waits for us, ready to raise us up whenever we fall! All this is present in his Passion. His betrayal by his disciples, their unworthy reception of his Body and Blood, is certainly the greatest suffering endured by the Redeemer; it pierces his heart. We can only call to him from the depths of our hearts: Kyrie eleison — Lord, save us (cf. Matthew 8: 25).

PRAYER

Lord, your Church often seems like a boat about to sink, a boat taking in water on every side. In your field we see more weeds than wheat. The soiled garments and face of your Church throw us into confusion. Yet it is we ourselves who have soiled them! It is we who betray you time and time again, after all our lofty words and grand gestures. Have mercy on your Church; within her too, Adam continues to fall. When we fall, we drag you down to earth, and Satan laughs, for he hopes that you will not be able to rise from that fall; he hopes that being dragged down in the fall of your Church, you will remain prostrate and overpowered. But you will rise again. You stood up, you arose and you can also raise us up. Save and sanctify your Church. Save and sanctify us all.

All: Pater noster …

Eia mater, fons amoris,
me sentire vim doloris
fac, ut tecum lugeam.

 

I recently finished an audio “course”, Living the French Revolution and the Age of Napoleon, from The Great Courses [US HERE – UK HERE] and I am presently working through Charles Dickens’ A Tale of Two Cities.

Having all this French upheaval in my mind, it wasn’t much of a jump to recall the anecdote about Napoleon and his threat to destroy the Church.   It is said that Pius VII’s envoy Ercole Card. Consalvi observed,

“Your majesty, we, the Catholic clergy, have done our best to destroy the church for the last 1,800 years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you.”

Surely this is true.   Holy Church is indefectible.  Indefectibility is one of the divinely designed attributes of the Church.

Our Lord made promises.  He promised that Hell would not prevail against the Church (Matthew 16:18).  In the end, the Church will be triumphant and the final closing of Hell’s gates will shut the Enemy away forever.

The gates of Hell will not prevail, the Lord promised.

He did not promise that Hell would not prevail against the Church in these USA.

In the fantastic TV series, I, Claudius, [US HERE – UK HERE] the old emperor, finally and terminally weary, knowing that the horror of Nero is around the corner, acquiesces to his fate and croaks out:

“Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.”

Great moments all through that series.  For example, Caligula’s interpretive dance always reminds me of certain Jesuits, and vice versa.

I think we have to brace ourselves for the fallout.

I suspect that large numbers of nominal Catholics will drop away.  They will take income for the Church with them.   Local Churches will thin out.  Clergy will retire and not be replaced.  Churches will close.   At the same time, I think that Tradition will grow in numbers and strength.   I think these things were going to happen anyway, but it’ll probably speed up now.

Now is the time for all of us on the more conservative and traditional – Catholic not catholic – to close ranks and cooperate.   There is no purpose or value in small differences or past grievances, imagined or real.

Cardinal Consalvi, by the way, was the Cardinal Deacon of Sant’Agata de’ Goti, whose title is now held by Raymond Leo Card. Burke.

 

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The PA Grand Jury Report

In December of 1776, Thomas Paine penned the immortal words:

These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

The piece itself is called The Crisis.

We who are suffering in the Church right now might swap some terms and circumstances in Paine’s clarion call and take them to heart.

From a priest…

Dear Fr. Z,

I am one of the priests in the middle of the storm here in PA. We are saddened and angered by the the revelations of the Grand Jury report as many readers are, but we also are now entering a kind of Gethsemane. My request is simple: please keep praying for us and asking the readers to do the same.

Also, if you you find it desirable to do so, please remind them that no diocese is immune from this scourge we are suffering now in PA. I suspect few if any American dioceses could be subjected to the level of scrutiny we were and come out unscathed. (Subpoena of all diocesan personnel files of any priest accused, credible or not, for thorough examination by the grand jury.) I pray that no others are subjected to such a trial.

Please withhold my name and diocese from any mention you might make.

We must not be “summer faithful and sunshine Catholics” and “shrink from service of our Church”.

Penance.  Penance.  Penance.

Reparation. Reparation. Reparation.

We must stand on our knees now.

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AN OPEN APPEAL TO THE CARDINALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

You will want to check out, at First Things, an open letter – an appeal – to all of the Cardinals of the Catholic Church.

AN OPEN APPEAL TO THE CARDINALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

[…]

To their Most Reverend Eminences, the Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church,

Since it is a truth contained in the Word of God, and taught by the ordinary and universal magisterium of the Catholic Church, that criminals may lawfully be put to death by the civil power when this is necessary to preserve just order in civil society, and since the present Roman pontiff has now more than once publicly manifested his refusal to teach this doctrine, and has rather brought great confusion upon the Church by seeming to contradict it, and by inserting into the Catechism of the Catholic Church a paragraph which will cause and is already causing many people, both believers and non-believers, to suppose that the Church considers, contrary to the Word of God, that capital punishment is intrinsically evil, we call upon Your Eminences to advise His Holiness that it is his duty to put an end to this scandal, to withdraw this paragraph from the Catechism, and to teach the word of God unadulterated; and we state our conviction that this is a duty seriously binding upon yourselves, before God and before the Church.

Sincerely,

[…]

The list of signatories follows.

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