Card. Vingt-Trois on how the Pope has been treated

Posted on 21 March 2009 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Cardinal Vingt-Trois of Paris has said that the press reaction to the Holy Father’s comments on AIDS and condoms in Africa is really pay back for the success he had in France.

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15 Responses to Card. Vingt-Trois on how the Pope has been treated

  1. V says:
    21 March 2009 at 9:40 am

    He also said that condoms can be tolerated if one ***cannot** or doesn’t want to be chaste. One cannot gives death ughhhh…

  2. RBrown says:
    21 March 2009 at 10:01 am

    He also said that condoms can be tolerated if one ***cannot** or doesn’t want to be chaste. One cannot gives death ughhhh…
    Comment by V

    That’s like banks saying that bank robbers should keep their tires well inflated for the sake of safety and good gas mileage.

  3. C.L. says:
    21 March 2009 at 10:13 am

    Metaphorical pygmies.

    But see what real pygmies did to show their love for the Holy Father. They travelled to the apostolic nunciature in Yaounde where Benedict was staying, built a grass hut in its grounds and gave him the gift of a turtle. It’s a pygmie sign of respect, apparently.

  4. RBrown says:
    21 March 2009 at 10:42 am

    Metaphorical pygmies.
    Comment by C.L.

    If you’re referring to me, I would point out that I used a simile not a metaphor.

  5. John Enright says:
    21 March 2009 at 11:42 am

    Good for you, RBrown! LOL!

  6. C.L. says:
    21 March 2009 at 11:49 am

    No, I was referring to the critics of the pope mentioned in Father’s post. Now, however…

  7. Shane O'Neill says:
    21 March 2009 at 12:49 pm

    How Cardinal 23′s attitude contrasts with the FSSP French District, who issued a statement valiantly defending the Pope against his attackers. [Perhaps you didn't smoke that the Cardinal was defending the Pope.]

  8. Cornelius says:
    21 March 2009 at 2:04 pm

    A turtle. How delightful! I’m rather fond of turtles. Who isn’t?

    The Church is like the noble turtle – a little slow perhaps, but a sure bet for eventual victory!

  9. Shane O'Neill says:
    21 March 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Sorry father, didn’t actually read the article, just (mis)interpreted it from your statement.

  10. V says:
    21 March 2009 at 2:31 pm

    I disagree with the opinion that because the French faithful gave a great welcome to our Pope, the media is more after him. They are ALWAYS after him/
    It is forgetting that when pope JPII came in France, people were asking to annull their baptism!!! ( that shows the degree of catechism in my country!!!). They made a big fuss about pope JPII coming to prayer on Doc. lejeune tomb. I remember banners promoting condoms, so as we say in france, “ce n’est pas d’hier.”
    The media are like in the US, they show an anti catholicism rampant!

    That cardinal Vingt Trois seek to understand the hatred against the pope, I can understand. To me he is barking at the wrong tree. The communists are in the street Sunday afternoon to sell condoms. It is the result of poor catechism, and anti catholicism militant. The French clerge is not up to the job.
    I know I was taught that the Pope is in Rome out of touch, we have to apply his general teaching to our daily life ( meaning…you can pick and choose) by the way I was not taught about venial and mortal sin…

    I still didn’t hear one french Bishop defending the teaching of the pope. Except FSSP and the Vendee politician De Villiers who quallified Juppe, kroutchner and the others of “obsedes de la capote”.
    we even have the “priest of the Gang” (le pretre des loubards): Guy Gilbert who said “when my guys are f**** like beavers I have to give them condoms!!!!” yes, on TV Figaro.

    France what have you done of your baptism!!!!

  11. Shane O'Neill says:
    21 March 2009 at 3:42 pm

    “I’m rather fond of turtles. Who isn’t?”

    I’m not. They look slimey and evil.

  12. Jeremy UK says:
    22 March 2009 at 7:15 am

    Rorate Caeli reports (http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/03/43-of-french-catholics-wish-to-see.html) that many French Catholics are very much against this Pope and what he stands for and want liberalisation of abortion etc. The sample, though, is small (600+).

    “According to an Ifop poll for the Journal du Dimanche, 43% percent of French Catholics desire the departure of Pope Benedict XVI who has been widely criticized after his recent statements about condoms. If 54% want him to remain in the Vatican, 83% of the Catholics of France believe that the Church must change its discourse and its positions on abortion to reflect changes in society. According to the survey which is to be published on Sunday, they also want the Church to change its discourse and its positions on homosexuality (69%), remarriage for the divorced (77%), and contraception (85%).

    The survey was conducted from March 19 to 20 among a sample of 620 Catholics representative of the French population aged 18 and over, following the remarks of the pope.”

    No wonder they have barely 4% practising Catholics. France is utterly divided between outstanding traditional Catholics – wonderful institutions such as the Benedictines at Fontgombault, Le Barroux etc – and rank modernists and a dreadful hierarchy since the 70s who have all but succeeded in destroying the Church.

  13. V says:
    22 March 2009 at 9:03 am

    Here you can see the communist of Act up on the ground yelling “le pope it is the forbidden, the condom is life” ( that’s what I could make up)protected by the police in front of Notre Dame de Paris, then you see and hear the French youth having more guts than most, singing to our Lady, they wear a hand that says” don’t touch my Pope” ( it is after a campaign against racism in france “touche pas a mon pote” “Don’t touch my buddy”
    http://www.fdesouche.com/articles/31504

    The youth singing are the hope of France.

    Then go here
    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19978542&postID=8882270756998475755

    and scroll down to Father Demets’ comments.
    And pray for France.

  14. Shane O'Neill says:
    22 March 2009 at 12:10 pm

    that story in English here.

  15. R&R says:
    22 March 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Send a letter to the Vatican. Benedict needs support right now. All the Vatican is getting right now is whining from the secular humanism crowd, which gets in the newspapers and likes having protest rallies.

    Address:

    His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
    Apostolic Palace
    VATICAN CITY

    It costs $.94 in postage to send a letter.