A UK theological junkyard: “Stand Up For Vatican II”

junk yardRemember that theological junk yard of a group that rattles at the likes of the His Hermeneuticalness, the great Fr. Tim Finigan, P.P. of Blackfen?   The "Stand Up For Vatican II" crowd? 

(Maybe our Vincenzo can make a new logo for them….)

Our friend the Mulier Fortis has a spot about them:

More "Stand Up" Comedy Gold…

The Stand Up for Vatican II crowd is still chuntering [great word.... like an old jalopy...] away in the background. However, it seems that now they want to get themselves taken seriously – the meeting they held in Victoria earlier this year has given them delusions of grandeur, perhaps…

The plan of action appears to be badgering our bishops to hold Masses to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the Second Vatican Council. Now, I have no objections whatsoever to Masses held to celebrate anniversaries, and I am quite happy with accepting the teachings of Vatican II as they have been stated and signed by the Magisterium of the Church…

I do, however, have strong reservations about such Masses being hijacked by a bunch of people whose stated aim is to protest against the teachings of the Church.
I will say again, Stand Up for Vatican II is being coordinated by groups which are opposed to the Magisterium of the Church: they want to change the Church’s teaching on sexuality, contraception, abortion, women priests, homosexuality and married clergy. They’re also none too keen on the actual teachings of Vatican II, preferring to invoke "the Spirit" as a cloak for their own disobedience and dissent.

Catholics for a Changing Church
Executive Committee

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24 Responses to A UK theological junkyard: “Stand Up For Vatican II”

  1. greg the beachcomber says:

    “Of a certain age.”

    Come to think of it, they all kind of look alike, too, don’t they?

  2. Henry Edwards says:

    a bunch of people whose stated aim is to protest against the teachings of the Church.

    And who, more specifically, oppose any authentic interpretation and implementation of the real teachings of Vatican II. For forty years, they’ve hijacked not only Masses but the Council itself.

  3. edwardo3 says:

    Excellent idea, Every Bishop should celebrate a Solemn High Pontifical Mass in his own Cathedral at the Throne in celebration of Vatican II.

  4. Navarricano says:

    If the photo of the Executive Committee at the bottom is any indication of the rest of their ranks, maybe they should change the name to “Catholics For An Aging Church”.

  5. Eric says:

    I’d say OK to this mass IF in 2045 we can have an 18 year celebration of the 500th anniversary of the council of Trent. From 2045 to 2063 only the mass approved at Trent can be celebrated.

    Hopefully by 2063 everyone will have forgotten the VII mass and we can get back to business.

  6. Erik P says:

    This is a perfect opportunity to hold a VII celebration Mass that actually complies with the VII documents. It could be educational as well as spiritual for those who have been left in the dark. Knowledgeable Priests could give lectures about how Gregorian chant should have pride of place and that Latin should be preserved, and then partake in Sung Latin N.O. masses (the way they should be celebrated.)

    But not with these loons around. Forgive me for saying this but, it doesn’t appear that these aging hippies will be with us for too long.

  7. Jacques-Antoine Fierz says:

    We have to wait a couple of years and the Catholics for a changing Church just hold Requiem Masses in memoriam of the Executive Committee ;-)
    In italian we say that “time is a gentleman” (Il tempo è galantuomo) :-)

  8. Magpie says:

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

  9. Tim Ferguson says:

    This is a GREAT idea! Let’s have every bishop in the world celebrate Masses to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the Second Vatican Council – and lets have them offer it using the same Missal that was used at the time of the Council. Think of it – every bishop in every Cathedral offering a Votive Mass of the Holy Spirit using the 1962 Missal! What a GREAT idea!

  10. DdC says:

    Erik P: We have a saying here in Jersey, “Funeral by funeral we make progress” Oh my, I’ll be in the Confessional soon enough, won’t I? Hah!

    Tim Ferguson – Like I always say where there is logic there is sweet irony. Great point-love, love love it!

  11. Thanks for the link, Fr. Z!

    I did wonder why they were insisting on a 45th anniversary Mass… would it be terribly uncharitable of me to suggest that they fear not being around to celebrate the 50th anniversary…?

    ;-P

  12. Susan the Short says:

    Gosh, that old bag, er, um, grande dame in the pearls, trying so hard to keep that “come hither” look alive…….that’s just so sad! If you can stand to go to their website and read their bios, she’s all about sex.

    Sweetheart, there comes a time in life to just hang it up and move on.

  13. ipadre says:

    In the pics they look so old, there will be nothing to worry about in a few years. They will bury the “spirit of Vatican II” with them. Then, we can live Vatican II as the Father’s of the Council intended.

  14. Geoffrey says:

    I am proud to stand up for Vatican II… the REAL Vatican II!

  15. catholicmidwest says:

    What these loons don’t “get” is that John and Mary in the pews don’t come to church for any of this nonsense. They go along with what they are told as long as it sounds reasonable (and ignore what doesn’t). This is the choice that the lack of leadership in the church has brought them to. They’ve also had “Vatican II” rubbed in their faces so many times, they won’t even raise an eyebrow about an anniversary mass. BUT the funny thing is, they won’t get into it in the same way the dissidents are hoping. It’ll just be another mass, another hiccup, another day like other days.

    Think about the Divine Mercy Chaplet. That took off in the pews and the idea of Mercy Sunday with it. WHY? Because it had the support of the Pope, yes, but also because it resonated with people. The far left has had no such success. The far left thinks it has people in hand literally via the birth control pill (etc), but they make a grand mistake. Lay people have decided what they will do not based on the maneuvering of the far left, but based on what they have decided to do. It’s their decision and it’s not hooked to any other agendas. The far left just cannot get this through their little pin heads.

  16. Father Bartoloma says:

    What a groovy looking bunch of people.

  17. Maltese says:

    There have been 21 Ecumenical councils, Vatican II was the first purely “pastoral” council (a point ceded by arch-liberal Fratre McBrien in his Encyclopedia of Catholicism, published by Harper Collins.)

    http://www.newadvent.org/library/almanac_14388a.htm

    Of course the Fourth Lateran decreed that Jews should wear distinctive dress, which is a pastoral consideration, rightly ignored today. So, likewise, since all of Vatican II is pastoral, the entire council can be rightly ignored, and we can better spend our time considering and studying dogmatic councils, like Trent. Really, Vatican II was a love note to the world; it reiterated a few already existing dogmas in the Church, but otherwise did much to undermine her (inadvertently, of course).

    But, still, I think it’s super-cool that my super-hero , the arch-premier-Vatican II theologian, a man who’s name I can’t even mention without getting sweaty with anxiety: Msgr. (“Fr” doesn’t express it enough) Kung, of long memory, and short sailing,who was so passionate during and after the council; God he wanted Barth in the Church, if only the Rottweiler would let him in!

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_053_Kung_CCL.htm

  18. Maltese says:

    Btw., I should add, I was a first hand witness to a speech given by Kung at the University of Michigan about fifteen years ago wherein he advocated that abortion is licit. He was applauded profusely, of course, and I think I was the only man there who thought he was an ass–still do…

  19. chironomo says:

    “Of a certain age.”

    Come to think of it, they all kind of look alike, too, don’t they?

    They were all about 20 years old in 1965…near the same age as those now involced in the current “Revolution”.

  20. chironomo says:

    I meant that those involved in the current “Revolution” are about 20 years old NOW!!

  21. Cathomommy says:

    Good grief. This is from the bio of one of the guys on their Executive Committee, Mr. Frank J. Pycroft: “He fits into the church as someone who opposed Humanae Vitae from the day it was promulgated and believes that contraception is not simply not evil, but is a positive good. He wants the pope to say ‘sorry’ for Humanae Vitae and to disown it totally.” Holy cow.

  22. TJerome says:

    Maybe these folks can petition their local bishop for a Mass to be said in their nursing homes using the soon to be set aside ICEL (aka ICKEY) translations of the Mass. After all, some “pastoral” consideration should be given to geriatrics who cannot adjust to change in the Church, don’t you think? Tom

  23. JCCMADD says:

    They look so sad and sour and truley are the children of the revolution.

  24. catholicmidwest says:

    TJerome. Nope. If they want to hear that kind of talk they can become Lutheran.