Do you remember when guys like me were being called "ultraconservative Tridentine Rite spin doctors"? (Brush up on that here.)
Well the disk can spin the other direction too.
As a good example of the sort of dopey stuff we will read I offer this for your consideration (my emphases and comments):
What’s Latin for ‘No one is happy?’ [I guess he’s really qualified to write about this… One way to say it is Nemo quisquam contentus.]
Pope Benedict XVI’s revival of the old Latin Mass on Saturday doesn’t seem to make anyone happy. [I’m happy…. but in their eyes, I am no one.]
The pontiff is not trying to replace the New Mass (which is over 40 years old, but "new" in Roman Catholic Church years), [got that right] but is making the Latin Mass available to priests who have a "stable group of faithful" who wish to go old school. [Lot’s of us consider it new school.]
Italian bishop Luca Brandolini [Bishop of Sora-Aquino-Pontecorvo ] was quite unhappy about the Pope’s announcement.
"It’s a day of mourning, not just for me but for the many people who worked for the Second Vatican Council. [Like, for example… Joseph Ratzinger, who probably was weeping on 7-7-07] A reform for which many people worked, [Hmmm… so how’s Mass attendance these days? Lot’s of confessions? How ’bout those seminarians… numerous?] with great sacrifice and only inspired by the desire to renew the Church, has now been cancelled." [Always with the drama…]
It’s not just members of the Roman Catholic community who are criticizing the move. The Anti-Defamation League called the move a "body blow to Catholic-Jewish relations." The League is concerned about a prayer from the Good Friday Tridentine (Latin) Mass for the conversion of Jews. [Well! That’s settles it!]The old prayer goes like this:
For the conversion of Jews. Let us pray also for the Jews that the Lord our God may take the veil from their hearts and that they also may acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ. Let us pray: Almighty and everlasting God, you do not refuse your mercy even to the Jews; hear the prayers which we offer for the blindness of that people so that they may acknowledge the light of your truth, which is Christ, and be delivered from their darkness.
The New Mass for Good Friday has the following prayer:
Let us pray for the Jewish people, the first to hear the word of God, that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant. Almighty and eternal God, long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and his posterity. Listen to your church as we pray that the people you first made your own may arrive at the fullness of redemption.
The move to make the Latin Mass available is aimed at appeasing [Yep….just a bunch of recalictrant brats who want to derail the wondrous renewal we have experienced over the last 40 years.] more conservative members of the Catholic Church, such as the one-million-member strong Society of Saint Pius X. But the group still needs to work out some doctrinal differences with the Vatican before everyone in the flock is satisfied.
What a dopey article.
So, no one is happy, huh?
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Father Z wrote:
“Do you remember when guys like me were being called ‘ultraconservative Tridentine Rite spin doctors’?”
An “ultraconservative Tridentine Rite spin doctor” (click)
Who are the two naysayers?
maybe they don’t have tents, so they can’t be campers.
Or maybe they don’t like gerunds, so can’t do tentses
All this outcry from the Jewish people reminds me of a Bible passage:
“Then Jesus said, “I came into this world for judgment, so that those who do not see might see, and those who do see might become blind.”
Some of the Pharisees who were with him heard this and said to him, “Surely we are not also blind, are we?”
Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you are saying, ‘We see,’ so your sin remains. (John 9:39-41)
It seems our founder preceded us in this little clash….
Vincenzo: If I were made Doctor of the Church for my spinning the older form, would I be Doctor Araneus?
If you want to see another snide response to the MP then just, as ever, follow the link to the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6280232.stm
One shouldn’t be surprised at the BBC but for some reason one always is.
That the Jews “may arrive at the fullness of redemption” surely implies that they haven’t yet arrived at it. Isn’t that a prayer for their conversion? Or is that wrong to do?
“Bless me father, for I have sinned. I have prayed for the conversion of the Jews.”
Hi,
I was talking to a priest today and he said be wared about the “Spirit of the Motu Proprio (Summorum Pontificum)” because just like Vatican II and the “Spirit of VII” people were getting bogus and bad information from the media. The Reuters article published yesterday is a perfect example, half of it talks about the bogus Good Friday prayers issue which is unwarranted and purely irrelevant.
Just today I was thinking out loud and caught myself referring to the Novus Ordo as “the old liturgy” (which, in my life, it was). I had to laugh.
Uh oh, I can imagine some progressive site linking to this post exhorting their readers to vote no…
=^)
Tha spirit of MP II. (Ecclesia Dei being MP I)
The Novus Ordo Missae of 1970/2002 was also the “old liturgy” in my life. It is now “defunct” in it, even though not yet juridically forbidden by my authentic magisterium. Unless special indults are granted by my own authentic magisterium on occasion of weddings and funerals, I consider Missale Romanum (1969) to be abolished.
Orémus pro nobis et Judaeis et Musulumannis atque pro Americanis et Israelis.
And why shouldn’t we pray for the conversion of the Jews? Should we leave them out? If we truly believe that the Catholic Church, founded by Christ, is the one true Church, then Christian charity demands we pray for the conversion of all non-Catholics, be they Jewish or not. And it’s time we stopped making excuses and spinning our doctrine lest someone be offended. Truth is truth. Just because someone is offended by it or doesn’t like it doesn’t make it any less true. We can couch it, cushion it, soften it, or deny it. It might make a particular political group happy but that won’t help us when we stand before the great Judge of All and ask, “When did we deny You Lord?”
To NOT pray for the conversion of the Jews would truly be anti-semitic!
I read the Post from first page to last almost every day – was very surprised to see they’d have a story of this quality! Was glad to see it was just a blog post – and by one of their “culture” writers (I think he usually writes on rock music IIRC) at that. I’m sure the Post will have a few articles on this by staff writers and columnists but they will be much better written and more thoughtful.
I *think* word is starting to get out that the “perfidious Jews” wording was taken out before the Missal in question was instituted. But any stick is good enough.
Father Z wrote: “Vincenzo: If I were made Doctor of the Church for my spinning the older form, would I be Doctor Araneus?”
LOL probably.