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I’m not aware of any changes in either the Diocese of Fort Worth or the Diocese of Dallas in Texas, USA.
Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Latin Mass Community in Littleton, Colorado became Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Parish on July 1 this year!
We are very grateful to Archbishop Chaput for making this change.
I am aware of no direct changes brought about by Summorum Pontificum to Cincinnati; the same two TLM communities generously offer the Mass, but there has been no expansion. Indirectly, there has been some progress, arguably due to the “gravitational pull” of the older form of the Mass. A handful of pastors sprinkle their Masses with more Latin, and at least one parish now offers a regular Latin Mass in the Ordinary Form. Perhaps the Cincinnati priests among your readers can highlight something I may have missed.
We’ve now got a weekly TLM on campus as well as our ‘special occasion’ ones… starting small, but doing well!
Am looking forward to attending mass at the new home of the St. Gregory Society in New Haven, Connecticut. Sunday masses will be at St. Stan’s on State St, as the former church, Sacred Heart, will be closing for good in the new future. I believe that there are now three weekly TLM masses in the Hartford Archdiocese including one in New Britain and one in Waterbury (Imm. Conception Basilica). A nearby parish in West Haven has started a girls schola to sing Gregorian Chant once a month.
In our Archdiocese (Cincinnati) there were already two churches offering the traditional Latin mass, and at least one offering the N.O. mass in Latin. So people have long had the option of attending these parishes all the time or occasionally. This still didn’t make everyone happy, but I always thought it was a good idea that avoided a lot of problems I read about in other areas. Since the moto proprio, another parish began offering the N.O. mass in Latin, but on certain weekdays. As far as I know that is the only change. I don’t know whether other parishes want to do so or not, or whether that has been encouraged or discouraged on the diocesan level.
Yep, I concur for Dallas/Fort Worth – progress = zero.
We have one FSSP priest, thanks be to God! But other than this, your run of the mill banal Novus Ordo rules the land with an iron grip.
I remember when Fr. Perrone rolled it out at Assumption Grotto: The 9:30am Latin Novus Ordo would become a weekly EF Mass, with chant and sacred polyphony. His 7:30am weekday Mass would become EF (high, with chant). There were some protests in the beginning with a handful of people refusing to come to the 9:30, but this quickly faded. Not only did they come back, but most of those who objected in my presence then embraced the TLM, and prefer it. There are some exceptions.
The weekday evening Mass (7:00pm) was in English, celebrated ad orientem before Summorum Pontificum, but was switched to Latin Novus Ordo. This again drew some sharp response by a couple of people who wanted it in the vernacular, but most didn’t have a problem with it.
Here’s the funny part: Some of those who were very vocal against the EF Mass even being at the parish, who were assisting at the 7:00pm weeknight Mass, came to love the EF so much they wanted it at night. They pestered Fr. Perrone until he gave in and made the Friday evenign Mass is also EF. Now these same people are complaining that they only get the EF Mass once weekly!
I am aware of only one person who struggled so badly with it, she elected to leave the parish. There could be others, but I’m just not aware of them.
Most or all of the people who were totally against have either come to accept it warmly, or all out embraced it.
Our Noon Sunday Mass is still mainly in the vernacular, but parts of the ordinary are in Latin, especially the parts chanted by the people.
Being at a parish that offers both the Latin Novus Ordo, celebrated ad orientem, and in a manner intended by Vatican II, as well as the TLM, is an awesome thing.
I personally experience even the Novus Ordo entirely different now, as a result of my experience with the EF Mass.
Our parish (St. Margaret Mary, Oakland, CA) is in the midst of preparing for the 20th anniversary of the first indult mass on September 20 (coincidentally my mom’s b-day too!). His Excellency, Most Reverend Bishop Cordileone, will make his first visitation and celebrate a Solemn Pontifical High Mass. The event is being coordinated by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.
Canon Jean-Marie Moreau, the Episcopal Delegate for the Extraordinary Form in our Diocese (Oakland), has also began to celebrate one weekly Sunday mass (last Sept. 6) at the Church of Five Wounds in San Jose, CA, in addition to the regular traditional masses offered at the Institute’s other apostolate at the Oratory of the Mother of Perpetual Help in Santa Clara, CA.
Forgot about the relatively new mass (2008) in Enfield, Connecticut. Have only seen it listed on websites; I haven’t heard anything first-hand about it.
I’m in the rural midwest, and I can think of three places off the top of my head where regular EF Masses are offered. One is 90min away and the others are within two hours. Not ideal on a weekly basis for families with children, but nevertheless available.
There is one Latin Mass in the diocese currently. The same one that has been there for the last two years. It is attended by some thirty to forty people on a regular Sunday.
As for gravitational pull, there is a Latin Novus Ordo Mass thath as been instituted in another local parish by one of the most conservative priests in the diocese.
The Nazareth Community (monastic) of the Institute of Saint Joseph, a Public Association of the Faithful in the Diocese of La Crosse, will celebrate the second anniversary of offering the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite each Sunday at Cor Jesu Oratory (formerly Sacred Heart Church, Edson, WI) on the 7th of October, at the request of Bishop Jerome Listecki. We have a core group of families and individuals, some who travel quite a distance. We have a sung Mass in Gregorian chant each Sunday.
Nothing in the Diocese of La Crosse itself(besides religious orders). From personal observations, it appears the Bishop Listecki is at least somewhat opposed to the TLM, certainly not an advocate. I know in the Diocese of Winona, that Mankato, MN had offered an excellent Missa Cantata at a diocesan parish but now the music director is now being run out of town. Can’t recall the details.
No changes in Dallas :/ I wish there were one closer to me.
In the Archdiocese of Boston, the “indult” has since been moved (by the Cardinal) to St. Mary Immaculate of Lourdes parish in the suburbs (Newton), where now instead of just one Sunday TLM, they have one every day (additionally, there are several other Novus Ordos on Sunday and some on weekdays).
The parish that previously had the indult, venerable Holy Trinity in Boston’s South End, started up their own Sunday TLM, thanks to Summorum Pontificum, until the Cardinal shut the parish in June 2008.
There is now a Sunday TLM in the basement of the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Boston (with occasional TLMs upstairs in the main church for feasts).
There is also a Sunday TLM in the North Shore at St. Adelaide parish, Peabody (about 20 minutes north of Boston).
There is a Monday night TLM at Sacred Heart parish in East Boston.
There is a High Mass on First Fridays at St. Columbkille parish in Boston’s Brighton neighborhood.
In the Novus Ordo, I haven’t seen much change.
The Diocese of Memphis continues to have two TLM’s at two parishes. There is a choir at one of these Masses that is doing quite well. It is no secret, however, that the local bishop, no friend of Summorum Pontificum, would like to “contain” the celebration of the TLM by discontinuing one of these Masses. So far that hasn’t happened.
In our NO parish in the Diocese of Rockville Centre, NY, we treaded lightly for the first year. About a yr ago, we formally requested the mass, with a list of people in the parish attached, went several rounds with the pastor, and have nothing today. We have a priest interested in celebrating the mass who lives in the parish who is not even allowed to celebrate the EF in private in the parish church. During the last round of discussions with the pastor, it was made clear to the curate that if he persisted, he would be asked to leave. Also proferred, was the nuclear option, by the pastor, in private, that if a letter went to the bishop, and the bishop instructed him to allow it, he would leave the parish.
There is a group of young families who are very interested in more classical and worthy worship and looking for ways to bring their children up better. This end, using the EF as a means to do so, however, has been stifled utterly.
I wish to God I had better news. This brick-by-brick approach will take a long time in these parts.
We have heard, by the way, that the Bishop considers there to be sufficient number of “regional” EF masses for families to travel to. At last count there was 4 EF masses. The diocese serves approximately 1.5 million Catholics (total population in both counties is approximately 3.4 million). There are 133 parishes in 115 towns.
There have been no changes yet (see next paragraph) in the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City. Tulsa is too far for us to drive. Wichita is closest (over one hour) with one TLM at 8:00 am at St. Anthony’s. I have requested the TLM at my parish and a larger parish in Ponca City. The answer was “I don’t speak latin and no one understands latin,” in both places. So, we drive.
The one parish in OKC is becoming divided and some there seem to be bent on sedevacantism. The FSSP priest and the archbishop want to build something bigger on the outskirts of town,(in the suburbs in between two up and coming towns) while others want to stay in the tiny church that is rented from an individual who has always had a ‘rent a priest’ attitude. It’s a long story.
In the Diocese of Columbus, the TLM remains firmly in place at Holy Family Parish, guided by the great Fr. Kevin Lutz. The TLM is offered as often as five times a week. They even had confirmation in the Extraordinary Form this past spring, celebrated by the Vicar General of the Diocese. I am not aware of any further expansion of the TLM into other parishes, nor even any Latin Novus Ordo celebrations. Perhaps others in Central Ohio might chime in if there are other fruits of Summorum Pontificum being realized here?
Things in our small city of 100,000 have progressed quite well in the last two years.
To my understanding initially the TLM was offered during the summer holidays of a visiting priest. Last year the TLM moved to every few weeks. As of last spring the TLM is offered every Sunday morning at 8:30am. Now my seven year-old is learning to be an altar server and a newly ordained priest in the diocese has expressed an interest in learning the TLM.
God Bless Fathers Ryan (the visiting priest), Browne, and Minne (both of whom are “retired”) for offering this wonderful Mass.
We we fortunate this summer to have a daily TLM for about three weeks. After it was all said and done my wife commented to me on our way to a NO Mass “it’s going to be hard going back to a regular Mass, the Latin Mass is so much more…. reverent”
I’m from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. I’m new to the extraordinary form so I can’t tell if there are any changes.
From what I know Summorum Pontificum has not been given enough attention. My parish priest doesn’t seem to care for it, and he appears to be very ignorant of the extraordinary form. As far as I know, we have only three options to choose from in the Dallas/Ft Worth area.
To attend a Sunday EF Mass without giving up my friends from my regular parish, I have been attending the OF in the morning and the EF in the evening at two different churches with a distance of about 40 miles apart. Soon though, I would only have the chance to attend one Sunday Mass, because of work and filial obligations. I might just give up my regular parish or go there from time to time.
In the diocese of Clifton (UK) the presence of the South Coast Mafia is as strong as ever i.e. things are not going well, Priests who do Celebrate the EF are routinely re-assigned to either remote locations on the edge of the diocese, re-assigned to parishes closer to the Bishop so he can keep an eye on them (and they know it) or are given assignments where they will affect the least amount of people e.g. full time prison ministry.
In St Louis of Course we have the wonderful presence of the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, at St Francis De Sales
We also do have St Gregory And Augustine oratory, which does wonderful things.
What we really need in St Louis is someplace central. I know from where I live..its 20 minutes to St Gregory, and 30 to St Francis De Sales. I think if there was a central place, there would be more interested, and it would have a greater influence on the diocese. MOst of our population is actually in st Charles County, which adjoins St. Louis, so it seems to me to make sense to have a presence there, but alas, still good things.
Also there are two parishes, that atleast offer a “Latin Mass”, though I am not sure if they are both EF masses. One is Little Flower Parish, and the other at the moment, escapes me.
St Joseph shrine, also offers a Low mass. But again, these are more Central County, then out in St Charles where the population is
So there is some movement, brick by brick
There is an FSSP parish now in the archdiocese. And the FSSP priest now comes the 70 miles to my town twice a month that is a Sunday evening and Monday morning Mass so there are 4 opportunities locally each month now. There is a TLM offered about 60 miles away on the 4th Sunday of the month. But these are all the occurances I know of. It is not yet being taught in the seminary that I have heard. I hope it will be. I understand there is interest on the part of young priests but there is the impression that the Archbishop is not overly enthusiastic in this area, shall we say. He is, however, an excellent bishop who did ask the FSSP to the archdiocese some 12 years ago because he knew many of the faithful were desiring it.
Our parish in West Hollywood has some scattered Extraordinary Form Masses. We had a group of Norbertines in to say a High Mass in May and one in June, and there will be a Missa Cantata later this month (with a visiting priest). We had a conversation with the pastor in July and he talked about having either a monthly Low Mass (he does not sing) or a monthly Ordinary Form Mass in Latin.
No word on that yet, but I think the OF in Latin is more likely to become a regular fixture than an EF Low Mass. As lovely as Low Mass is, our congregation likes to chant the Ordinaries and our choir sings a motet and the proper Communion chant each week. I do not think they would respond well to the restrictions placed on music at Low Mass (and neither would the choir). We have taught them to chant, and they have become attached to it.
College Station, TX has seen nothing (which is surprising since it is a very politically-conservative town that thrives on tradition – and the Catholics are very well-catechized, too). The diocese has one TLM at the Cathedral, and recently had another TLM offered in Brenham, about an hour’s drive. Too far for me, my wife, and 3 little boys (6 and under) to do on a regular basis.
All I know is that all the Texas A&M professors would enjoy something besides folk Masses and LifeTeen.
Report from one (solely NO) parish in the diocese of Brentwood (eastern England):
At least the indirect effect of SP is evident in the introduction of plainchant settings of the Gloria (in place of a really rather ghastly, 1970s English sung version previously used), latin Agnus Dei, and some Gregorian chant, in the principal Sunday mass every week. (The fact that the parish is extremely multi-lingual may also be a factor).
A new monthly TLM in a neighbouring parish. Alas it is this one rather than that one that retains its altar rails!
In Kingston, Ontario, Canada, we’ll be submitting a petition this week for a daily Traditional Latin Mass. We’ve had a monthly Mass for many years, and we have an active Gregorian chant schola and many people willing to serve on a regular basis. I’ve set up a blog which will offer updates about our efforts:
We’re currently trying to purchase for cassocks and surplices for the servers (right now, we have to use those cassock-albs with Velcro fastenings). Any help would be appreciated (there’s a donation button), or just click on the google ads and we get money from that.
Masses are currently held on the first Sunday of every month at 3:00 p.m. in St. James’ Chapel of St. Mary’s Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception. Fr. Brian Price is the celebrant.
We started a petition soon after Summorum Pontificum was put into effect, and got a “stable group” of about 50 people to sign it. We presented it to the Bishop, who responded “I am unsure if any of our priests have the rubrical knowledge needed or the capacity to speak Latin. I will speak with the Presbyteral Council and study the pastoral need for the Tridentine Mass, as the Bishop is still the moderator of Liturgy in his diocese, as stated in the letter accompanying the motu proprio, Summorum Pontificum.”
Although I know for a fact this is not completely true, and I am saddened by the response, he is still the Bishop, so I trust his judgment. Please pray for the diocese of Lubbock.
Insist on your rights. If the bishop obfuscates and delays with bureaucratic-speak, just forward the information to Ecclesia Dei. He probably won’t say “no” outright, since he has to write a letter to the Pope a year from now explaining how he dealt with your request.
At Mission San Juan Bautista in California, we celebrated our 1st. anniversary of the EF in July.
We have a High Mass every Sunday at 2pm, with about 150+ people attending (very good numbers considering that we are in a rural area), and EF Mass for Holy Days of Obligation. Our Chaplain offers Confession before Mass every Sunday, we have had a few First Holy Communions, and 2 funerals. We are looking forward to Confirmations sometime in the future, and a wedding in April 2010.
My wife and I were married in 2001 by Msgr. Harry Jerome, then he was the only priest allowed to use the EF in the Diocese of Belleville, IL (this was before SP.) Now, I find that he is retired and that the new priest probably hasn’t been trained in the EF, I could be wrong he is from Uganda.
But here on the East Side (as St. Louisans call it) we also have an EF at “Holy Family Log Church” in Cahokia, IL. The church was founded in 1699 and is the oldest continuing parish church in the United States.
As far as the decentralized assertion, I’d say that as the EF becomes more prominent, there will be more and more EF Masses to choose from in the Rome of the West. Also, St. Francis de Sales is in downtown St. Louis, just a short detour off of 40.
In the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, there are two every-Sunday TLMs that existed under the “Indult” which are still going – the Mass at Our Lady of Consolation in Tacony (which was moved from 2:00 pm to the slightly more convenient hour of 1:00 pm) and the Mass at Our Lady of Mount Carmel (Mission) in Plymouth Meeting at 11:30 am. Since Summorum Pontificum we have gained one weekly Mass at Our Lady of Lourdes in Overbrook at 7:30 am on Sundays, and a new one will be starting on the Feast of Christ the King at St. Paul in South Philadelphia (very near to the Italian Market) at noon on Sundays.
No change in the diocese of Savannah. The city of Savannah has a weekly TLM which has exists since before SP under the indult. Once SP was released, the parish of St Joseph in Macon, on it’s own initiative, instituted a monthly High Mass once a month (1st Sundays), and a weekly low mass (every Tuesday evening). These were done within the first 6 months of the release of SP. Since then no further progress has been made. I know a petition has been circulating for the southern part of the diocese, but no idea what provision is being made (likely none). The general feeling among those interested is that nothing will change until the Ordinary retires (summer 2010). And then only if he is replaced with someone sympathetic to Tradition.
J Antoniello, as a former resident of the Diocese of Lubbock, you have my sympathies. Email me at flambeaux_bearer [at] Yahoo [dot] com as I have a few suggestions for you that aren’t germane to this thread.
No major changes in the Rochester diocese. We have no new Sunday TLM outside of the already existent TLM Community’s 1:30 PM Mass at St. Stanislaus. There is a new TLM at Holy Spirit Church in Webster on Saturday mornings roughly once a month. It’s a small brick, but a brick nonetheless.
I live in the archdiocese of Los Angeles. Before SP my family and I would drive 25 miles each way to attend the TLM every Sunday in a neighboring diocese. Today my family and I drive … 25 miles each way to attend the TLM every Sunday in a neighboring diocese.
Before SP there was an indult TLM once a month about 8 miles from my home. Now that indult TLM has been terminated because the Carmelite sisters who provided the chapel decided they needed it for “other purposes” during that time slot. (I’m not saying anything bad about the sisters, I have no idea what they needed to use it for. It was kind of them to offer the use of it for as long as they did.)
A new weekly TLM was added about 20 miles from my home within my diocese, but it’s at 1:00 in the afternoon and therefore less convenient than the one that is 25 miles distant, which starts at 10:30 a.m.
Another new weekly TLM was added at a parish in my diocese which is about 45 miles away — at 6:30 a.m.
So for practical purposes I am in exactly the same situation I was in before SP, although I am encouraged just knowing that two new TLMs have been added since SP was issued. It’s not much, but better to go forward than backward!
We have a thriving and growing TLM community. Our diocese has 2 locations–not sure where the other is. As a result of the TLM just in our family, we have 4 boys serving it.(22 boys and growing from the rural parish of 360 families)..2 boys who now chant at least a daily Mass each week. Sometimes one chants a Sunday Mass. Both of the 2 boys have chanted a Requiem Mass…and
I, have such a deeper appreciation and prayer life for the Mass, as do my family. It has been a great gift which we deeply cherish. I would say our numbers attending has doubled since last year this time. Some have come back to the Catholic Church from the Pius fold…I see more of the regular NO parish members coming to the TLM masses said during the week. Before this ALL happened…I had never attended a TLM, now–I prefer it!!!!
Here in the diocese of Springfield, Illinois, I think the closest thing to a Latin Mass two years ago was when the kids at a local parish sang a couple of the shorter prayers in Latin as a special thing around Christmas time. The real die-hards were driving almost two hours to a SSPX Mass in Missouri.
Last November, we started the TLM in Quincy with about 150 members, and we’re now up to about 250. For reasons I don’t completely understand, we have a chaplaincy rather than a parish; but we have all the Sacraments, Catechism classes, daily Mass, etc. A few months ago, our FSSP priest started going over to Springfield (not the Cathedral) to say the TLM on Saturday mornings, and that’s been well attended too.
There’s been some resistance to the idea here, but most of it not overt. We see a couple new faces every week. Some keep coming and some don’t, but I figure if they come once, they’ve gotten past whatever scary stuff they’ve been told about it. And with the number of pregnant women around this place, our numbers will be growing fast whether we draw any more people from the other parishes or not!
Looking at the above posts, I see that there have been a few positive changes here and there, but in general very little and in some cases no change whatsoever has occurred. Our bishop here in St Augustine loudly proclaims his hatred of the EF and in general has intimidated the priests who might be inclined to learn it. A group at one parish was finally able to get a regular Sunday mass (in the afternoon, of course) but it’s still referred to as an “indult” mass, is said by a foreign priest who is a hospital chaplain, and is obviously at that church on sufferance.
The most positive thing was that we had a (yes, one) Latin mass at a chapel that is under the Cathedral. It was arranged as part of a pilgrimage by an Una Voce chapter. Needless to say, it was pretty controversial, but it went off well and we were all grateful to the pastor of the Cathedral for letting it happen. Personally, I think that if the bishop were not so opposed, many pastors who don’t particularly like the Old Mass or want to say it themselves would nonetheless be open to letting it happen. Theoretically, the bishops do not control it anymore, but everybody knows that in the last analysis, they really do.
We had a biweekly TLM before SP, a weekly EF Mass since. We have recently moved from a small outlying church to a beautiful old and centrally located church, an ideal location.
However, I think the current availability of the TLM (if any) in this or any other other diocese is the least significant aspect of Summorum Pontificum.
Far more significant are the future effects on both the EF Mass and (probably still more important) the OF Mass.
Before SP, one priest in our area was willing an able to celebrate the TLM. Now several are. Every seminarian and recently ordained priest I know is interested in the TLM. I foresee that in many areas there were be more priests wanting to celebrate the TLM than congregations requesting it. And when there’s a critical Mass of such priests, the local chancery attitude may be less critical. Hence, whatever the situation now, I foresee that pretty soon there (as a practical matter) will be no TLM shortages in most dioceses.
The larger effect — as I suspect is Pope Benedict’s principal intention — will be on the prevailing celebration on the OF. At my fairly typical, fairly liberal suburban parish, for instance, we now have some Latin in every Mass, incense on feast days like today, majority male alter servers in surplices and cassocks wielding communion patens, little or no hand-holding, numerous people receiving on the tongue. Although these things may not be identified as direct effects of SP, none of them were prevelant just a couple of years ago.
In my parish in Harrison NY there has has not been one change, no EF mass and no reform of the reform. We still have the 10am folk mass, the 11:30 organ mass with mostly folk music, twice a month childrens mass with the worst music you could think of, 3 EEM’s at most masses the priest will stand in the back of the church during communion then dart out the door to shake hands with the early leavers but he will not distribute holy Communion. In other places in the archdiocesis a few parishes started to offer the EF mass.
Here in the Archdiocese of Atlanta, there continues to be only one parish where the Latin Mass is available, the last time I checked. St. Francis de Sales is an FSSP church, and the good men there celebrate in Latin only, and are dedicated also to chant. However, at 70 miles round trip, I have not been able to persuade my wife…
As for my own parish, we’ve just finished our second week with a proper crucifix above the altar. And judging from the ongoing articles on that matter from our Pastor, the natives appear to be restless. And, as he is not in favor of the Latin Mass, my gentle request for it met with a resounding silence.
The Diocese of San Diego now has an entire parish dedicated to the EF and a handful of other parishes offer TLM on a regular basis, including my parish, St. Margaret in Oceanside. There is at least one school that is trying to build better respect for the liturgy by working to include more Gregorian Chant in “school Masses” (OF) and eliminating the banal from the music program. I believe these offerings are due, in large part to the Summorum Pontificum. On the negative side, I have seen a few parishes in which the pastors are demonstrating, through their actions, that they believe allowing more access to TLM is taking a step backwards, so to speak. I volunteer in a parish where the pastor has asked that we stop singing chant at the Friday school Masses (we only chanted the Kyrie and Agnus Dei, and on First Fridays, the Tantum Ergo during Exposition). It seems while some progress is being made, there is much “mud sticking” going on. It makes me very sad.
Dear Flambeaux, Pete Morrell, JennyZ, and Konichiwa, there IS good news in Dallas, if I’m not mistaken. We have a church! The FSSP chaplain said at Sunday Mass that he and the Bishop signed the papers this weekend, and the Protestant group we’re buying from should have signed them too by now. He said it should be finalized by the end of next month). (Right now we borrow a church for Sunday Masses and Daily Mass. Hopefully we should be able to have a parish and get another priest in time.
The rector of the Omaha Cathedral began offering a low mass on the first Saturday evening of each month. Our FSSP parish continues to grow and it is a great joy to be a member of this community. While we have enjoyed the visits of many seminarians this summer, it is especially encouraging to hear how many diocesan seminarians wish to “cross-train” in both the OF and EF.
In Seattle Archdiocese a new Parish was formed in 2008,
for the Traditional Latin Mass, North American Martyrs
Parish. The TLM Masses are Sundays @ 11:30am; Monday & Wednesday @ 7:30pm; Tueday, Thursday & Friday @ 12:10pm; Saturday @ 11am. Confessions before all Masses. Administered by a FSSP priest. Current Mass
location is at St Alphonsus Church in Ballard.
Please pray for a permanent site for the Parish.
According to the latest from latinmassireland.org
The Extraordinary Form Latin Masses in all of Ireland are
2 daily, 5 weekly on Sunday, 8 Monthly, 1 BI monthly, 2 Quarterly, 3 Occasional and 1 private. We also had a High Mass in Cork and in Belfast.
Let’s pray for many more before September 2010.
It was around this time of the year in 2007 that we were fortunate enough to have helping out at our parish in Dallas a religious order priest who had for years offered the EF regularly in the city where he was assigned previously. Several of our parishioners approached him about offering the EF there at our parish. Since he was not the pastor, a group of parishioners’ respectfully requested and received permission from the pastor of our parish for the use of the church. We were given the ok, provided we prepared with adequate catechesis. We even had a date set for the first EF Mass and a time slot of 6:30 Sunday morning. Things looked promising and we were all very excited. Several of the men, including me, began to study up on how to serve mass. A few weeks later it was (prudentially) decided that we should wait a couple of months until the beginning of the year. To make a long story short, our hopes were dashed. It turned out that for some reason our Bishop decided not to renew the faculties of the priest we had hoped would offer the EF. He was at least allowed by the bishop of our sister city to retain his faculties there. The last piece of news I heard a couple of months back was that no diocesan priest of either of our sister cities has been allowed permission to offer the EF.
Still nary a one in our deanery in Missouri, although there is one in the next deanery, about forty-five minutes away, on Sunday only.
In San Diego, in addition to the Extraordinary form parish, we have a every Sunday EF high mass at St. Margarets, in Oceanside, and an extraordinary form mass every third Sunday of the month at St. Mary in Escondido. Still working on getting more EF masses so people do not have to travel so far, we have a very large diocese.
In Greenville, SC, there have been changes both good and not so good (in my opinion). The priest had, at one point before SP was issued, celebrated the traditional Mass weekly on Sunday evenings. Then he cut that back to monthly. When SP was issued, he continued with the monthly celebrations, but eventually moved the time slot to 11am on Sunday – a very positive move. It wasn’t until a year after the implementation of SP that he once again celebrated the traditional Mass weekly (at 11am).
However, the “gravitational pull” seems to be more toward the Novus Ordo. For example, the homily, while typically very good, is almost always from the Novus Ordo readings. Feast days are shuffled according to the Novus Ordo calendar. The priest reads the epistle in English at the altar (I realize that this is allowed, but it sounds weird to have the entire Mass in Latin, except for the epistle!). And the parish seems to have a Novus Ordo feel to it that I can’t quite explain, even though a lot of the movers and shakers in the parish prefer the traditional Mass.
Elsewhere in the diocese of Charleston, a couple of parishes on the coast have occasional traditional Masses; one parish outside of Charleston has had a Sunday evening traditional Mass for years. Sadly, the first Sunday traditional Mass in Columbia was discontinued a few months ago. The Mass there was always offered by a visiting FSSP priest, but the small size of the congregation did not really warrant a 6-hour roundtrip from Atlanta. I don’t know the current status of requests/petitions there.
The scuttlebutt is that there are almost a dozen other priests in the diocese who have expressed a desire to learn the traditional Mass, but there is a fair amount of animosity toward the traditional Mass in the diocese that keeps these good priests down.
I keep hoping and praying for an FSSP apostolate to come to the upstate of SC soon in the form of a personal parish. And as long as I’m dreaming, I’d like a Ferarri, too.
Dallas/Ft. Worth folks: I too heard about the new church on Sunday! I think the EF is gaining traction here slowly but surely. I have several friends from various parishes in the 2 dioceses who, like me, have just recently begun to explore and attend the EF… and like me, they are becoming more and more drawn to it and appreciative of it. A dedicated church should make it at least a bit more accessible.
The problem is that, as far as I can tell, the EF is only gaining traction among laypeople, and not among the clergy. Especially when, as Father Z often says, Summorum Pontificum is primarily a gift to priests. Even if some of our parish priests are interested, they haven’t been able or willing to pursue it for whatever reason.
I do hope that will change soon. I know it may seem trite, but it can be hard to leave your own parish for a different location and different people. This past Sunday was the first time I ventured out to the Sunday EF Mass. I will definitely go back now, but it was sort of a hard hurdle to get over. The daily Masses happen to be at my home parish, so location’s not an issue, though I’m still trying to adjust to the early morning schedule. And then there’s just the continuing work of adjusting to the different liturgy itself. It can all be so overwhelming… it would just be nice if we could find the EF within our own parishes, as regular parts of our parish lives. It seems like that’s what the Holy Father is hoping for. We’re still a long way from that.
But brick by brick, I guess!
The EF Mass is celebrated in 3 different locations in the Diocese of Peoria, IL. The locations are St. John the Baptist in Fairbury, St. Mary in Peru, and St. Joseph in Peoria which offers high Mass the 1st and 3rd Sundays and low Mass the other Sundays. The Cathedral of St. Mary in Peoria celebrates the Latin Novus Ordo Mass Saturday evenings. I have been to many churches in our diocese that use some Latin during the English Mass. My seminarian son serves the EF Mass.
Since Summorum Pontificum, a parish in Michigan City, Indiana called St. Stanislaus started to offer the TLM at 12:30. I’ve been raised in the Eastern Byzantine rite so I typically go to my own parish, but my father who was raised Roman Catholic attends, sometimes, the TLM. I went once and there was maybe 15 people there, including the choir. I pray the attendance increases. The choir was beautiful and the liturgy was celebrated by a retired priest. Great priest, though he’s very old. I pray that he’s around for awhile. I know my brother attends a parish in Indianapolis called Holy Rosary, they have offered the TLM for awhile (FSSP) but the priest there told my dad that when they first started it was slow to grow and they did processions with the Holy Eucharist and adorations every day or week (can’t remember what he said)and now there TLM is the most widely attended. So if there is anyone in those areas that doesn’t know that there are TLM’s being offered, now you know!
San Francisco has seen some progress. Sunday High Mass at the Chapel of the Most Holy Rosary in San Rafael (across the Bay in Marin) is the only regular Sunday celebration of the traditional Mass in the archdiocese. The Mass is at 12:15pm and is 20 miles from the city (the trip takes about half an hour). Getting there requires crossing the Golden Gate Bridge at a cost of a $6.00 toll.
There is a monthly (first Sunday) High Mass at Mater Dolorosa Church in South San Francisco at 6:30pm. That started June 7th of this year.
Last year, in the Diocese of San Diego, the indult TLM after being offered 20+ years inside a cemetery mausoleum, was moved to St. Anne (which was previously closed), and was established as a personal parish entrusted to the FSSP.
Now, they’re slowly expanding with a newly purchased nearby house to be converted into classrooms and a new fourth Sunday mass to begin next week.
1 TLM a month in 1 diocesan parish on First Fridays only.
We do have the SSPX though.
In addition to the foregoing info about the Archdiocese of Boston, beginning in October there will be a T.L.M. on the 1st and 3rd Sundays of each month at Sacred Heart in Middleborough, Ma. You heard it here first!
In Providence there have been several new Masses, and at Holy Name (where the T.L.M. returned under indult in 1994) there are now two Sunday Masses, 7:30 and 11:00 a.m., with the O.F. at 9:00 a.m. and 12:30 p.m.
Vermont has had a scheduled Mass for almost two years but the retirement of the priest who has celebrated it for the last year has put the situation there in great peril.
This is GREAT news about Dallas. Any word on where in the very big and sprawling Dallas Diocese the church will be?
RE: The Archdiocese of Boston.
The TLM is also celebrated at St. Brendan’s Church in Belligham at 1:30 PM on the second Sunday of every month.
Additionally, in the Diocese of Providence, RI the TLM will be celebrated at St. Joseph’s Church in Woonsocket at 1:30 PM on the third Sunday of October, November, and December. A similar three Mass arrangement will probably occur in the Spring, as it was this past year.
A good solution for the Ted Kennedy funeral dilemma would have been for the Cardinal to say a TLM.
Nothing going on in upper bucks county Pennsylvania, in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. Pretty much all the older people who pretty much have the say in the local parishes care less about Summorrum Pontificum. They like the happy clappy protestant style, masses that they can externally participate in. Especially the older women. But most of the pastors are their generation. So go figure.
To back-up what Ygnacia posted above about Mission San Juan Bautista:
Last month we were able to have a Solemn Requiem Mass for the Father of one of the Faithful with the Absolution at the end.
The Schola of San Juan Bautista has also gone to the Sacred Music Colloquium in Chicago to learn more about Gregorian Chant. They have a YouTube page where they have posted videos of some of their chants at http://www.youtube.com/montereytlm
Newly formed last month was the Children’s Choir of San Juan Bautista. last month on the 12th Sunday after Pentecost, they chanted Adoro Te Devote for the Offertory. A video of their performance can be found at right at the top at http://www.monterey-tlm.blogspot.com/
At the end of every month we get together for a potluck where we all enjoy Fellowship with each other and our Chaplain.
Finally, we will be having another First Communicant this coming Sunday.
Adobe brick by Adobe brick!
I just recently moved to Houston. From what I know, there is one parish in the Archdiocese, Annunciation in downtown, that offers the TLM. It is offered on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sunday. A weekly TLM is also offered on Friday at St. Basil Chapel at the Univ. of St. Thomas in Montrose.
Holy Rosary Parish in mid-town offers a latin Novus Ordo on Sundays and has an excellent schola.
Finally, an Anglican Use parish in west Houston has an impressive liturgy, with smells, bells, and an outstanding choir. I actually prefer their low mass on Sunday, since the ordinary and some of the propers are chanted in latin.
I read a while back that the FSSP was in talks with Cardinal DiNardo about opening a parish in the archdiocese. Does anyone know anything about this or if other parishes in the archdiocese are starting to offer the TLM?
I live in rural Manitoba, Canada. Nothing before and nothing since. I think I would be happy to have anything that offered a sense of some beauty and form.
Nothing as a direct result, but where I am (Toronto and York, UK) there seems to be slow, slow movements among standard OF parishes towards increased reverence among both clergy and laity. Small things like bows at the Holy Name and more frequent (but not overly frequent) use of Eucharistic Prayer I. Perhaps as a result of the Holy Father’s own liturgical changes?
My parish, St. Joseph’s in Bronxville, NY, has had at three TLMs in the past year. The fourth one (there may have been others) is this coming Sunday at 3pm. Our young PV, Fr. Brian Taylor, celebrates and seems to do a fine job to my untrained eye and ear. Also a very good homilist. Our neighboring parish in Yonkers, St. Eugene’s, has a weekly TLM every Sunday. It’s great to have choices!
Poznan, Poland. My parish. After 2 years our bishop, who openly shows distaste in Latin liturgy finally gave permission to have tridentine Mass once a month on Sunday. The first celebration will take plane on September 13th.
In Alexandria, Virginia, we have three different parishes that offer the TLM–one on Sunday, one every Friday night, and one every other Friday night. There’s also been some “gravititational pull” on the OF, especially in the use of the proper–introits and graduals.
The numbers of laity attending, though, are still extremely small. Less than 100 for the Sunday TLM (at 12:30 pm, so that may have something to do with it), no more than 20 average for the every Friday night TLM.
The previous pastor in the Nortern Mines area of California said no Latin Mass until they spoke Latin in the grocery store; this after 60 people signed a petition. He is now secretary to the Diocese. The current pastor has the same attitude & tosses any donated books that “reek” of tradition. People had already given up despite the recourses available to them. About 24 miles down the hill the now-retired pastor learned the TLM from the FSSP & offers a Low Mass each Sunday. When he is ill one of the FSSPs drives up the hill to say Mass for him. The new pastor there is cautious, but seems to like having it. Meanwhile, in Sacramento, St. Stephen’s was made an independent parish by Bishop Weigand, and flourishes under the FSSP.
Meanwhile, the FSSP has a personal parish in, of all places, Nigeria. “The Remnant,” Aug. 31, 2009, has a full feature article. The conditions are primitive, the Igbos are choosing the TLM over the NO, and the priests (2) are hearing confessions daily. They go into the villages with the Sacraments when people can’t make it to the Shrine. These are real missionaries!
Wonderful things have happened in the Diocese of Bridgeport in CT thanks to our Bishop William Lori. In Norwalk at St. Mary Church we have a TLM every Sunday, Wednesday and First Friday. (The NO Mass is also undergoing a positive transformation—solemnities in Latin, Mass often served with the priest facing east, and more and more folks receiving on the tongue and yes, kneeling, in the NO Masses.) Our altar servers (all male) are reverent and well trained in both forms of the Mass. We have four priests who expertly offer the TLM. And our church has a strong pro-life mission: we have four natural family planning practitioners and are the headquarters for the Gospel of Life Society which now has branches throughout our diocese. And there are other churches in our diocese that also offer the TLM on a regular basis. We have the support of the very active St. Hugh of Cluny Society, a group that promotes the TLM and sponsors speakers and activities with that aim. And our church is undergoing renovations soon to restore it to its former (pre-Vatican II) splendor, including side altars and a marble altar railing. We also have an active SSPX retreat house in our area—I pray that the SSPX will soon be in full concert with Rome and that the TLM will become the rule rather than the exception in all our churches.
Brian2 & the other Dallas/Ft. Worth area TLM faithful:
The new parish will be located in Irving, TX (near Loop 12 & Irving Blvd.).
Agnes of Prague – I’m certain that I heard our FSSP Chaplain say this past Sunday that the closing could possibly take until mid-November, worst case. Of course, the sooner the better! PRAY, PRAY, PRAY!!!
Despite this VERY good news, it still saddens me greatly that in the ENTIRE Dallas diocese there is only a SINGLE location for the two Sunday EF Masses, as well as a different location for the solitary daily 6:30AM (!) EF Mass.
As has been reported here previously, my parish in Philadelphia will offer the TLM every Sunday starting on October 25th. I would hope that even if some of our parishioners decide they prefer the Novus Ordo, the Extraordinary Form of the Mass will exert some influence on them in their manner of dress, gestures, music and how they approach the altar for Holy Communion. We’re fortunate in our parish church and associated worship site to still have altar rails. When I read comments like the one about the pastor who said he’d offer the TLM when people in the grocery store speak Latin, I realize how very blessed I am to have the kind of pastor I do. If I lived in that other priest’s parish, I’d be tempted to engage in some mischief with a “Save the Liturgy, Save the World” bumper sticker.
“Wonderful things have happened in the Diocese of Bridgeport in CT thanks to our Bishop William Lori.”
He is our Supreme Chaplain with the Knights of Columbus.
Knights, support your priests and bishops and wonderful things will happen
One of the great pleasures of being aged 70 is that you can state empirically the the Exraordinay Form was the Ordinary Form from the Council of Trent to the 1960s and I lived in that milieu. Our FSSP chapel has been in existence since 2000 and we are very pleased. Our bishop has said the TLM Mass there many times.
In the past year, the Archdiocese of Seattle has established a Usus Antiquior parish administered by the FSSP and and the Mass in the extraordinary form is offered on Wednesday evenings at a parish in south Seattle. Brick by Brick. There is hope in the Archdiocese though it will take some time to come to fruition.
Thanks for the info SteveB. Alas, I live far on the other side of the diocese, near McKinney. Well, hopefully once a month my family can make the trip. Maybe if the Irving location goes well, you can franchise one out here. But many students at UD will be stoked to have it in Irving.
I was reading an article elsewhere when I stumbled across an item about a parish in a neighborhood where I used to work: Holy Rosary Parish in Jersey City, NJ. Apparently, they have TLM every Sunday at 10 AM (and they’re not too far from the PATH (subway)).
Father, you might enjoy the theme of their TLM website (http://www.johnreilly.info/latinmass.htm) – The Motu Proprio Has Landed!
Parish main website: http://www.holyrosarychurch.com/
“Wonderful things have happened in the Diocese of Bridgeport in CT thanks to our Bishop William Lori. In Norwalk at St. Mary Church we have a TLM every Sunday, Wednesday and First Friday. (The NO Mass is also undergoing a positive transformation—-solemnities in Latin, Mass often served with the priest facing east, and more and more folks receiving on the tongue and yes, kneeling, in the NO Masses.) Our altar servers (all male) are reverent and well trained in both forms of the Mass. We have four priests who expertly offer the TLM. And our church has a strong pro-life mission: we have four natural family planning practitioners and are the headquarters for the Gospel of Life Society which now has branches throughout our diocese. And there are other churches in our diocese that also offer the TLM on a regular basis. We have the support of the very active St. Hugh of Cluny Society, a group that promotes the TLM and sponsors speakers and activities with that aim. And our church is undergoing renovations soon to restore it to its former (pre-Vatican II) splendor, including side altars and a marble altar railing. We also have an active SSPX retreat house in our area—-I pray that the SSPX will soon be in full concert with Rome and that the TLM will become the rule rather than the exception in all our churches.”
Yes, I can attest to that “wonderful” things at St. Mary’s –I live in NY but often travel out to Norwalk for the 9:30am high EF mass I also made the trek out there on holy Thursday for the Mass of the Lord’s Supper OF mass said facing east and all in latin except the readings. It was standing room only. They also have one of the best music directs in the area who also directs a budding childrens’ schola
In the Diocese of Las Vegas, Nv we only have one TlM a month. It is at St. Bridget parish at 7:00pm on first Fridays. The church is located at 220 n. 14th st. Las Vegas.
St. Bridget also has a Novus Ordo Mass in Latin with Gregorian Chant every Sunday at 9:30am.
The local Diocese has been out foxed by the SSPX.. They have been in Las Vegas since 1985 witha a resident priest since 2002 arround a 150 attend every Sunday.This is per their web site.
It is seems that no one in the Diocese is fighting for these souls.
Most of the time when I am at home, I attend the liturgy at Our Lady of Wisdom Italo-Byzantine Catholic Church or the Maronite, Chaldean, Ruthenian-Byzantine Catholic Churches. ** They all come under our Holy Father, Benedict XVI **
In Tallahassee, we have moved from annual to quarterly celebration of the Extraordinary Form. Over on the Pensacola side of the Diocese (three hours away), they moved from monthly to weekly celebration of the Extraordinary Form. Tallahassee will have a High Mass in January. I would prefer to see more of the mutual enrichment of the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms, however. Hopefully, this will be more unavoidable once the new translations come in.
I’m also in Dallas. Our parish may be experiencing a slow gravitational pull. We’re singing the traditional Agnes Dei in Ordinary Time now (used to be only during Lent).
I’m happy about the EF parish in Irving. The Carmelite Chapel is beautiful but way too small. Unfortunately, now I’m experiencing a near occasion of the sin of envy: Irving gets the EF Parish and already has a beautiful Byzantine Catholic Church. How about the rest of us!
Here in Little Rock, we have an FSSP community that will soon, God willing, be a parish, thanks to our bishop. Too, one of the two men ordained to the priesthood in July celebrated the EF as his second Mass. Finally, my second son, Samuel Francis, will be baptized soon by my pastor according to the 1962 ritual. Deo gratias!
It used to be that the only Latin masses available was a NO in Latin at 10:30 at the Norbertine Abbey and the 8 am TLM indult for the tiny San Juan Capistrano mission. Because I don’t have a car, I cannot get to the abbey without a lift. The bus stops running seven miles down the road. Also due to our terrible bus system, I could not get to the mission chapel early enough.
Then the mass at St. Mary’s by the Sea was reinstituted. Talk of SP allowed me to connect with other people at my NO parish who were curious about mass in Latin. We started going the abbey regularly.
The Norbertines now run a mass in Costa Mesa called St. John the Baptist, which has a well-attended TLM every Sunday at 12:30.
The Norbertines found an ingenious solution to the Bishop’s serpentine rule that all parishes must have their tabenacles in a seperate chapel, which conflicts directly with the rubrics.
The Tabernacle is built directly into the wall behind the altar. Much of this wall is a thin piece of granite, so the tabernacle is simultaneously in the main church behind the altar and within the chapel at the back of the church.
I am in the Doicese of New Ulm and I have to say that nothing is happeneing here. IN fact, it may be going the opposite direction at my parish. They are very fond of the praise and worship (happy clappy) Mass music.
This week I had the chance to go to the school chapel (which has repainted) to see that they have moved the tabernacle from the center and shoved it off to the right of the sanctuary (You can’t even see it if you sit on the right side). I am praying that they are waiting for a new altar to be installed. We’ll see.
To try to be positive, there is one parish in the diocese that offers the TLM, but I think it is once a month. I not too sure on the details as it is not near me.
Brooklyn Diocease, no changes, same as the LI Rockville Center…New York seems highly opposed to change and they are quite vocal about it. In Queens when I requested it I was told what cemetary I could find it in and that “not while I’m Pastor” line was used. Pray for us here in NY, many are interested, but the reassignments scare Priests because they often do not want to abandon their congregations, albeit forced. Since SP Church of the Holy Innocents in Manhattan has added it. Pray also for Father Z, who keeps us all connected and I believe has an been an essential player in the restoration efforts. Everyone seems to know of him. God Bless and may you continue to keep us all informed in the Catholic world.
I am sorry to provide negative news from Mexico. As much I have tried asking for the possibility of a TLM in Mexico City (Imagine this is a city of more than 20 million people and we don’t have a single TLM), the response I get from Priests is very aggressive. It goes from:
a)Calling me schismatic to
b) Some saying me that Summorum Pontificum is a document for Priest and not for ignorant lay people like me.
I am sorry to say that the process has been very disturbing for me. Some top authority even lied saying that they were the same masses and that I should stop asking for nonsense.
There was a start of an Una Voce Organization but without any results. The only continous TLM in all Mexico is a Chapel of the FSSP in Guadalajara. Of course I am sad to say, our likely hope is that the SSPX and Rome reconcile. The SSPX are the only ones really working and trying hard for it here in Mexico.
Where to go?. Where to fin Hope?. God help us…
Nothing in the Nebraska Grand Island Diocese. I don’t think anybody know what’s going on or, worse yet, cares.
I live in the Archdiocese of Halifax in Nova Scotia, Canada. I know of no Traditional Latin Masses here.
For the curious here is the future TLM church God willing in Dallas.
2030 E Hwy 356
Irving, TX 75060-3318
If you click on “street view” and move downwards in one direction or the other you can see it–pinkish-brown brick with a white steeple, set back a bit from the road.
We are going to try this again. My daughter woke up in the middle of the night on Saturday with what appeared to be an acute respiratory infection that was gone in less than 12 hours so we couldn’t go to St. Francis de Sales Oratory last Sunday. We are going to try to go this Sunday, God willing.
Drove us out of the catacombs! Liberals and almost all Filipino bishops, would not even talk about SP! Except Bishop Camilo Gregorio who celebrated a Traditional Pontifical Mass…
Slowly but surely, Filipinos are being made aware of the solemnity of the Mass of all Ages.
A growing number of Filipinos are craving for a more Christ-centered worship than a priest-centered one.
Thanks be to God for Pope Benedict XVI and Summorum Pontificum!
In the Diocese of Valleyfield, Quebec, Canada: nothing that I know of. Still the same old same old in our parish — and as bad as that is, the situation is no better in others. In the Archdiocese of Montreal, there is one TLM each Sunday at 8:30 AM in a church in downtown Montreal. There is also a Latin NO Mass at St. Patrick’s Basilica downtown. Elsewhere in the province, I haven’t heard of anything.
Nothing right where I live, but I can drive 20 minutes to Naperville, IL (SS Peter & Paul) and about 45 minutes to St John Cantius (Chicago). I’ve also had the opportunity to attend at Most Holy Trinity (Santissima Trinita?) in Rome.
I’m a protestant, who, God willing and circumstances permitting, will be converting in the next year or two, and I gotta say, having TLMs available and a Pope who gives a care about liturgy has made a huge difference. The TLM provides the transcendence I often feel lacking in protestantism, especially evangelicalism.
In the diocese of Spokane, WA, there is a Low Mass at noon every Sunday at St. Charles Parish. The diocesan priest at this parish, Fr. Gene Tracy, is a holy priest and has been doing this Mass for about a year and a half now. It is not too well attended, though.
Here in the diocese of Los Angeles (a.k.a. mission country – northern quadrant), there is very, very good news. Since Summ. Pont., our primarily Hispanic parish (thanks to our wonderful solo pastor) has . . .
• three daily EF Masses every week (gaining slowly in attendance)
• one monthly Sunday EF Missa Cantata & for big feast days
• Benediction every Friday
• on First Fridays, a morning & evening EF Mass + Benediction + all day adoration
• celebrated ALL Masses ad orientem since Advent of last year ( YES!!! )
• continued kneeling & reception of Holy Communion on the tongue (primarily) at the altar rail at all Masses
• several choirs (with children in them) that can sing the Ordinary of the Missa de Angelis and several hymns in Latin
• 12 new altar boys trained to serve the EF and NO (in English & Spanish)
• at least 20-25+ (formerly NO-only) parishioners who now travel 35 miles to another parish for the other Sundays to attend the regular Sunday EF there (evidence of a growing preference)
• longer lines for Confession
• rosary by parishioners before EF & many of the NO Masses
• several completed sets of rescued (and new) EF vestments
• more modesty in dress at church overall
• more veils at all Masses
• less cell phone noises, whispering, and chatting
• less “cutting and running” after Mass is over
• coffee and doughnuts beginning now after EF Sunday Masses
• more traffic at the local Catholic bookstore
The EF has been a leaven for the entire parish. Our own children, aged 5-18 (the boys who serve both forms and the girls who sing and help sew vestments), prefer the EF to the NO. And none of us grew up with this Mass so it isn’t “nostalgia.” We went from NO to Byzantine to EF.
One more thing. I have prayed more for priests this part of the year than I have in all my years combined. This dedication of the Year for Priests has made me realize that praying for priests needs to be an intrinsic, *regular* part of our prayer life—because their needs will be as great next year (if not greater) than they are this year and it would be lousy to let them down once the “Year” is over. Their needs are our needs. And never does an investment draw a greater return than a prayer for a priest.
God bless our dear pastor and all priests — no matter where they are.
It’s a bit of a non event in my corner of Australia. The FSSP have a Mass on Sunday I think.
I can confirm what Jack Hughes (Clifton, UK) has stated. In a town in the North of England, the new bishop appears to be breaking-up any signs of a TLM base being constructed – by the re-assignment of clergy. In one case, PP to be Curate, when there are examples of substantal parishes being run with only a married deacon. There is a case of an landmark church being refused to ICKSP, because it would compete with surrounding parishes – the likely outcome, it will become a university conference centre. Holy Name, Manchester, was saved, at the eleventh hour, from such a fate and now prospers under the guidance of Fr. Ray Matus.
Another key aspect is that, de facto, many parishes are controlled by a coterie of lay persons and the priests submits to their predelictions. In one instance, they had the PP removed – which the said priest found most debilitating.
The bishops have a great reluctance to facilitate Sunday TLMs, so you have the dichotomy arising from the wishes of BXVI and the covert threats to clergy by their bishops.
Summorum Pontificum is never published in the parishes – without the WEB, how many would have known about its promulgation!
The Chicago area is not known for Catholic orthodoxy but for us true Catholic faithful, we have many Traditional Latin Mass options for which we are all quite thankful. Deo Gratias.
I drive one-half hour, meet my son at a pre-arranged spot, he drives another one-half hour, and viola, we arrive at St. Anne’s Church in San Diego near the Mexican border for the 7:30am TLM. Many young families with small children indicate a bright future for this parish under the dynamic leadership of Father Carl Gismondi, FSSP, who is now adding a fourth Sunday Mass. Brick by brick.
I said my First Mass in the Gregorian Rite (Traditional Mass)! I doubt that that would have been able to happen had it not been for Summorum Pontificum. I also used the “Missa de Angelis” and the “Benedictine Altar Arrangement” as well as vested Deacon and Subdeacon in a Pauline Rite (NO) Mass of Thanksgiving. I doubt that would have been done if it were not for Pope Benedict the Great and the Reform of the Reform.
I attend a TLM in Indiana along with my husband and my daughter’s family. It is 30 minutes from our home and 45 from theirs. We live in Ohio. My son-in-law wrote to the Archbishop in Cincinnati requesting permission and received a very nice letter in reply stating we didn’t need his permission. There is an indult in Cincinnati and since we began attending Sts. Philomena and Cecilia (three years ago) there has been a TLM mass added in Dayton. One of the FSSP priests from our church was assigned there. Other than this there is not, to my knowledge, any TLM’s in any of the parishes. I am aware of one parish where the priest wanted to have one but my understanding is that the Archbishop has made it a requirement that the priest must be fluent in latin before that can happen. I would think that would make it a bit difficult for most priests to implement though I am not sure why it would be necessary.
In the Mpls/St. Paul area we have 3 regular Sunday EF Masses and a 4th that is every other Sunday. Prior to Summorum Pontificum we had 1. Attendance is strongest at the original parish but to my knowledge all the others are holding steady. At Sacred Heart we are averaging around 50.
For those who live in the diocese of Santa Rosa, California, there is no EF without driving many miles. Here, the motu proprio has had little impact; 98% of the clergy are against it; the faithful are unaware of it. However, we do have an Eastern Catholic parish in our area (St. Peter’s in Ukiah, a mission of the Ukranian Greek Catholic Church) and it draws from a wide geographical area.
In the Archdiocese of Malines-Bruxelles (Belgium), the Cardinal had already given permission for a weekly TLM (at the Chapel of the Sacred Heart) nearly twenty years ago. Since Summorum Pontificum, the FSSP come twice a month from Namur to celebrate additional late afternoon TLMs in a parish church near the centre of Brussels. Neither place can sadly boost ‘standing room only’ but we hope and pray that more people will appreciate the TLM in this once Catholic country.
For us folks in Cardinal Newman’s Birmingham Oratory Summorum Pontificem has made quite a difference, independent of the fact the Oratory fathers have always been very supportive of the extraordinary form. Before SP we had low mass every Sunday in the cloister chapel at 12.45pm. After SP the mass was moved into the main church at 9.30am as part of the usual run of Sunday masses, and it’s numbers have almost trebled.
Not only that, since the holydays in England and Wales were transferred to the nearest Sundays, we have kept the old days in the EF, and we now have high mass on many of them. Also a weekly Saturday mass has started at 9.30am, which has been quite well attended.
Finally regular masses at celebrated nearby in Halesowen every Wednesday and also occasional high masses are celebrated in St. John Fisher, West Heath, Birmingham. The next one will be for BVM of Sorrows on Tuesday 15th September at 7.00pm, which I and some of the Birmingham Oratory choir will be singing at. For more information please consult http://birmingham-lms-rep.blogspot.com/
The TLM, which we began having every Saturday at Blessed Sacrament parish in Springfield, Illinois, last January, had already produced one vocation to the priesthood. John Bulttman leaves for the FSSP seminary in Nebraska next week. John has been one of the servers for this Mass nearly every week since it began, and he told me, “It’s because of this Mass that I finally decided God is calling me to the priesthood.”
In the Diocese of London, Ontario there has been one E.F.,a singular and non-repeated event( that I know of) for the Seminarians .One Priest, in a remote corner , has begun to say Low Mass on Sundays.Otherwise ;the weary round of abuses and guitar screetching continues unabated. SP has NEVER been mentioned ,we now have regular liturgical dancing too.Nothing like “brick by brick” here Father Z;barely mere crumbs !
There is also a EF Mass at Saint Odilo’s in Berwyn.
Judging by these comments, one is most likely to find regular celebration of the EF in a large metropolitan area. This is consistent with what I have seen in my travels around the US. There is little or no chance of finding an EF mass in a small city or rural area. Most rural areas have yet to see a single “brick.” It is the same sad guitar music week after week. There are few children and few vocations to the priesthood, at least amongst the “gringo” population. The hispanic people do a bit better, but many who have been here awhile have become accustomed to Catholic lite.
I know many former Catholics who have started attending evangelical protestant churchs. A few of the stronger ones have joined an Orthodox parish.
Since the publication of Summorum Pontificum, there has been considerable progress in providing the catholic faithful with Mass in the extraordinary form in several dioceses in Ireland. Most notable are the following:
1. Archbishop Martin of Dublin erected a personal chaplaincy for the Extraordinary Form, appointed a chaplain, assigned a Dublin city centre church where daily Mass is available as well as Sunday Mass. The chaplaincy also admnisters the sacraments according to the EF Rituale Romanum.
2. Bishop Freeman of Ossory has recently arranged for Mass to be celebrated in the EF on Sundays in the city of Kilkenny.
3. Bishop Boyce of Raphoe has also made arrangements for the celebration of Mass in the EF in Letterkenny.
4. Bishop Buckley of Cork and Ross has recently approved arrangements for Mass to be celebrated in the EF every Sunday in St Peter and Paul’s church in Cork city.
5. Bishop Murray of Limerick has made arrangements for Mass to be celebrated in the EF in Limerick and has entrusted this apostolated to the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest.
In addition, very considerable progress has been amde in the South of Ireland through the efforts of St. Colman’s Society for Catholic Liturgy which has organised two very successful International Liturgical Conferences and is in the process of organising a third such conference.
The Society also organised the first EF Mass in Cobh Cathedral in over 40 years – which was celebrated by Bishop John Magee. It has also organised the first Solemn High Mass in Cobh Cathedral in an equally long period of time. It was celebrated on 13 April 2009. A further Solemn High Mass wasorganised in Cobh Cathedral on 13 July 2009. Moreover, the Society was was happy to facilitate the presence of Cardinal Pell to celebrate Pontifical High Mass in Sts. Peter and Paul’s in Cork on 12 July 2009. The Society also organised the services of over 20 ministers to assist His Eminence on that occasion.
FYI–Fr. James Rodis, former pastor at St. Agatha–which was indult parish in St. Louis (next to the Brewery) before ICK and St. Francis de Sales–offers an EF mass every Sunday at 9:15 at Little Flower in Richmond Heights. It is the Extraordinary Form with the old calendar and alternates High with full choir and Low masses each week.
The Diocese of Joliet has had a daily EF Mass and an FSSP chaplain. For more information including links to their bulletins see http://www.jolietlatin.org/
The petition for the Archdiocese of Kingston has been submitted. See the blog:
The Diocese of London, Ontario has actually had one TLM in Windsor since 1991 (see http://www.windsorlatinmass.org) and one in London proper since around 1999 (see http://www.queenofangelsoratory.ca/London/).
I have seen progress in pockets throughout my diocese of San Diego. As other people have chronicled where the EF Masses are, I would only like to add that an OF in Latin continues at Our Lady of the Rosary on the second Sunday of the month at 4pm.
On a personal note, I was offered the position of music director at St. Anne, the FSSP parish here in San Diego. In addition to the thrill of actually being allowed to sing sacred music, my young family has benefited spiritually from attending the EF and living parish life at St. Anne. Our pastor, Fr. Gismondi, feeds us with rich preaching, and is an excellent confessor.
I am loving the EF in ways I had not even considered. Briefly put, my husband and I find more of everything good in this form of Mass. So, I am especially grateful for SP.
After reading all the comments on this post, a pattern becomes clear.
Implementation of SP really hinges on the humility, obedience and good leadership of bishops. I pray for the softening of hearts of obstinate bishops who would set up burdens for priests and laity. I pray for priests- and I think there are many- who have to suppress their love of tradition for fear of isolation. Time will change this, I know, but it is a scandal nonetheless.
Come on – 100+ posts down this thread and I haven’t seen Archdiocese of St. Paul/Mpls! St. Augustine/Holy Trinity in South St Paul have had it forever, I think. St. Agnes in St Paul has had it 1st & 3rd Sundays at 10:00 high Mass for a good year (staggering between OF and EF). Kudos to the Twin Cities Catholic Chorale! Msgr. Richard Schuler, pray for us!
I don’t know of any others besides two SSPX/SSPV chapels.
AlexB – thank you for this.But these pre-date SP ; only the Low Mass I mentioned has been instituted SINCE the SP was issued.
B16’s initiative has been ignored, and Latin Mass effectively abrogated here in the San Angelo TX diocese, as have for the most part preistly vocations. I get the impression that the folks in control are hoping for the next conclave soon. We pray for B16 daily, “may the lord preserve him and give him life, and deliver him NOT up to the will of his enemies. Amen”. Hope he lives to be 120!
There has already been a mention of the South Coast (of England) Mafia by Jack Hughes. I live on an island that is part of a neo-Protestant South Coast diocese and needless to say there is no EF here. Our dean has even made life difficult for one of the area priests for celebrating the OF, in Latin, once a month! Our only option is a 40 minute flight to London.
I should amend my earlier post for the Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneapolis that the EF Mass at St. Agnes is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th Sunday’s, not every other.