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Nope. Don’t have the Extra-Ordinary Form celebrated in my area (Quakertown PA). So I will probably be following the Byzantine Calendar. Plenty of Byzantine Catholic/Orthodox parishes in my area.
I picked up the 2010 FSSP Ordo last week in our bookstore, having ordered it ahead of time. It is so complete – Moveable Feasts Table, Holy Days, Fast & Abstinence, notes on Votive Masses and Masses for the Dead, External Solemnities, etc. Some notes on the Office, each month’s Liturgies with explanations and instructions, feasts celebrated in some dioceses. A list of anniversaries of FSSP apostolates in NO. American District including Canada, a worldwide listing of all FSSP apostolates, headquarters and seminaries (the number astounded me – I didn’t realize how FSSP has spread around the world). There is a section with particular prayers, responses during Mass, Canons for Sundays and Holy Days, Indulgences, Pope Benedict ‘s Summorum Pontificum, his Apostolic Letter (Ecclesiae Unitatem)as well as Pope John Paul II’s. I send in information to our local paper once a week for the “Religion Briefs,” and find that I sometimes need to refer to the Ordo. Handy little booklet!
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you said ‘I didn’t realize how FSSP has spread around the world’, where exactly in the world? from my view it seems that they are concentrated in the US and France, we only have 3 FSSP parishes in the UK, how many do the French have?
My facing page Roman calendar/Capuchin calendar OF Ordo–blue this year–is sitting atop my two LOH volume ones (American English and 2000 typical edition), waiting to be set up next Saturday.
That’s a good reminder to place my order. My 2009 FSSP Ordo ends 13 January 2010. An Ordo is quite helpful in preparing one’s hand missal for an upcoming Mass.
I have a priest’s Ordo from 1962 that my assistant pastor presented to me when I was an altar server then. It being from 1962 makes it more valuable to me, plus it is a reminder of happier times in the Church.
That 1962 Ordo is the size of a small hand missal. It is in Latin, and has the general rubrics for the Missale Romanum in the first 132 pages. The last 125 pages contain a directory of all the priests in several southern US dioceses. They don’t make them like that anymore, I think.
I use the liturgical calendar on the FSSP website since I recite a version of the Office of Our Lady (1961) which has a streamlined calendar.
I received my FSSP Ordo from a friend today, who order them for both of us earlier this month.
This has become an annual ritual. I am very pleased with the FSSP Ordos that I have purchased for the past 10+ years. Tracking FSSP Priest friends in the particulars of their new assignments is a plus. The ‘ordinary’ info on solemnities, Masses of obligation and the particulars of the extraordinary calendar in one place, is a great boon.
The Tridentine Latin Rite Missal Project is a great site if you don’t have a calendar handy:
http://mysite.verizon.net/missale/
From this site we print off the Introit, Collect, Epistle, etc. of the Sunday and pass it out with the red missal booklets. It is very helpful indeed!
This reminds me of a question I have!
Background: along with everything else, the new calendar gave us a lot more scripture to hear on Sundays (I’m sure that can’t be a bad thing), ergo plenty more meat for interesting and varied homilies (if your pastor is up to it!), and also moved some of the old feasts to different parts of the year (I have the Kingship of Christ in mind particularly).
With Summorum Pontificum moved forward, and the older usage becoming more wide-spread I think there arise some interesting …
Questions: are there guidelines anywhere for making use of the newer cycle of readings with the extraordinary form of the liturgy? If not, is someone already working on it? If not, whose job would that be, anyways? Or would that be too confusing?
Jack, I’m looking at the Ordo now. Besides the forty plus in U.S. and Canada (including Quebec), I count one in Mexico, one in S.A., Colombia, six in Austria, two in Belgium, three in Netherlands, twenty-nine in France – I’m only counting Archdiocese & Diocese listings, not individual sites within those – eleven in Germany, two in Italy, one in Poland, three in Switzerland, five in Australia, one in New Zealand, one in Africa. Great Britain lists the Diocese of St. Andrews & Edinburgh, Scotland, and in England the Diocese of Arundel & Brighton, Diocese of Northampton and Diocese of Portsmouth. The FSSP must be “invited” by the Ordinary of any particular Diocese to open an Apostolate. The Fraternity is not always welcomed, even to offer an occasional Mass in one or another Diocese. I know of a couple in California which are not friendly to the idea. More and more that is changing. I don’t know the situation in Great Britain as regards the Bishops’ welcoming the Traditional Mass into their respective areas of responsibility. Even in some of the dioceses I have mentioned, it may be that one priest travels to two or even three churches to offer Mass on a regular basis. The point is, the Traditional Mass is spreading and we can only pray that it continues to do so. The seminaries are full and the more vocations the better! We need more shepherds for the flock.
Another happy recipient of the FSSP Ordo, and the FSSP Monthly Liturgical calendar is on order :)
I got this year’s from lulu.com (Rinascimento Sacro’s version), but they don’t seem to have the current version yet. The one I have: http://www.lulu.com/content/5375570 came out on Dec. 17 last year, but I had hoped they’d do it a bit earlier this time. Maybe they can still do it in time. The downloadable pdf version was no problem, but the printed version arrived a week late.
“are there guidelines anywhere for making use of the newer cycle of readings with the extraordinary form of the liturgy?”
Read https://wdtprs.com/2009/06/quaeritur-novus-ordo-lectionary-with-the-older-mass-tlm/
Note the quote from Ecclesia Dei in 1991: “…we believe that this usage should not be imposed on congregations who decidedly wish to maintain the former liturgical tradition in its integrity…”
Most traditionalists would with certainty reject introduction of the novus ordo’s three ring circus, er, three year cycle into the EF Mass. It’s definitely not part of the 1962 Missale Romanum. It would be yet another innovation.
Where can I purchase an FSSP Ordo?
I got my first ordo I have ever purchased in the mail the other day, and wow! what a beauty the FSSP Ordo is. It has everything you could ever need, it even has the Motu Proprio S.P. in it, along with the responses for a server. You can purchase it from the Fraternity Publications website (Google it), however through the site it charges like $3.00 s&h I ordered mine by mail with a check no s&h charge $10 shipped, got it shipped to the midwest in about 1 week.
Yep, I do, Father. A brand new shiny FSSP Ordo.
BLC: Try “Fraternity Publications” ( http://www.fraternitypublications.com ); it cost me $10 all in, and I live in Scotland!
Father: this little project I’ve been working on for the past year with a friend might interest everyone: “In the Sight of the Angels” ( http://sightofangels.blogspot.com/ ); we are trying to lead the reader through the liturgical year, “in the footsteps of Dom Guéranger”.
Could we ever expect the USCCB to publish an Ordo for the Dioceses of the US in the Extraordinary form?
Some guy: the new calendar gave us a lot more scripture to hear on Sundays (I’m sure that can’t be a bad thing)
I’m not sure of this at all. I follow both calendars, EF for Sunday Mass, and OF for daily Mass and Liturgy of the Hours, and am continually surprised at how much “thinner” the new lectionary seems in content, despite it’s thickness in physical size.
It’s true that the 2-year cycle of daily readings is an enrichment, but I find the EF Sunday readings rich and deep, while because of the 3-year cycle, the OF Sunday readings (frequently briefer) seem thinly spread.
With the EF Sunday readings the same each year for a given Sunday, they are reinforced annually and become a part of one’s consciousness of the seasons of the Church.
But what’s most striking are the key scriptures that are features of the old lectionary but are nowhere to be found in the new lectionary (including many of the “hard” readings). For instance, it is difficult for me to imagine a year without the Gospel Matthew 24:13-25 of the Last Sunday after Pentecost that I heard yesterday, but which I believe you’ve never heard at a Sunday Mass in you’ve attended only the OF.
Henry Edwards said: For instance, it is difficult for me to imagine a year without the Gospel Matthew 24:13-25 of the Last Sunday after Pentecost that I heard yesterday, but which I believe you’ve never heard at a Sunday Mass in you’ve attended only the OF.
Yes, that passage is found nowhere in the Sunday lections in the new lectonary. The closest we come is last week’s reading from Mark 13, a Synoptic parallel to Matthew 24, probably chosen in part as a replacement for the traditional Gospel of the Last Sunday.
This is just one of the passages of Scripture found in the old cycle of readings that were deliberately kept out of the new lectionary.
I agree with you about the new lectionary. In the abstract, “More Bible” is a good thing. In how it was put into practice in crafting the new lectionary, “less Bible” would be preferable to the “more Bible” we got.
I can’t help but compare the new readings with the old every Sunday (bad habit). The new readings make me feel dumb down.
How often do the scriptural readings in the novus ordo lectionary come from the last decent English translation? Of course, I mean the Challoner Douay-Rheims. The answer is never. Tradition is non grata in the novus ordo.
I hate to think of the anarchy that use of the novus ordo lectionary would bring to traditional services. Most traditional Catholics do a bit of homework before Mass, often with the help of an Ordo, to set the book marks in their hand missal for the service to be attended. No hand missal is going to have the novus ordo’s innovations and inventions.
The concept of a private hand missal is completely foreign to most novus ordo types. The only missal they know is the disposable telephone book quality “missalet” in the pew rack, from which somebody up front will blurt out periodically the page everyone should be on. In that system, one could have a fourty year cycle lectionary incorporating the Hindu Bhagavad Gita and few would note the difference. The beauty of the timeless, unchanging annual cycle of the traditional missal is the knowledge of exactly what each day brings liturgically, regardless of year in a three-year period or even a year in a 500 year period.
As a random example of the stability of the pre-Vatican II Missal Romanum, look at the text of the 1474 (a century before the “Tridentine Mass”!) Missale Romanum for the Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross (September 14) on page 380:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC24822186&id=LwcNAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=missale#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Compare that to the words in the 1962 Missal Romanum for the same Feast. They are identical!
What value would the compulsive instability of the novus ordo bring, in comparison?
The NO Mass and Lectionary presupposes that the Holy Sacrifice is bible study and community meal, at least that’s the impression I get from a lot of the pro-NO crowd.
As for Ordos, I also have been using the FSSP one. I also really like one put out by Seraphim in Colorado Springs. This year I also bought the 2010 SSPX calendar – wow – the theme is Churches of Rome and it is stupendous!
abigail9 – The 2010 FSSP calendar is a knockout, too. Engravings of 12 major churches in the 1700s by Giovanni Piranesi and the surroundings at that time. Fantastic! The facade of the FSSP parish church in Rome, SS Trinita dei Pellegrini, is on the cover. People and surrounding views and buildings round out the very detailed engravings.