Troy, NY: Holy Mass in the traditional Carmelite Rite

8 Responses to Troy, NY: Holy Mass in the traditional Carmelite Rite

1. Inigo says:

   8 July 2012 at 1:43 PM

   To quote a classic: “Brick by Brick”
2. TC says:

   8 July 2012 at 2:36 PM

   Answering the age-old question; what good can come from Troy, NY?
3. benedetta says:

   8 July 2012 at 3:15 PM

   Thanks to Fr. Z’s blog and the good commenters who frequent it, I am grateful to call this parish my spiritual home. The Missa Cantata in the Carmelite Rite is quite beautiful. Thank you for posting, Fr. Z!
4. asperges says:

   8 July 2012 at 4:00 PM

   The revival of these Roman variant rites is very exciting. Wiki (whose article on this occasion is very good – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmelite_Rite) describes the Carmelite rite as “Roughly speaking, the ancient Carmelite Rite of Mass stands about half way between the Carthusian and the Dominican rites.”

   Looking at a chart of comparative prayers against the Dominican rite, there does not appear to be a pre-mass preparation of the chalice; the prayers at the foot of altar are brief; confiteor and absolution are the same pattern; the offertory is shorter than Roman but longer than Dominican. Orate fratres is Roman; Canon is the same throughout. Rubrics have notable differences: covering the altar and candles used. Priest’s communion prayers slightly different.

   It is good for those attached to the old Roman rite (EF) to see variants or pre-Pius V versions. Not only does this make one appreciate the beautiful simplicity of the Roman rites but also broaden one’s appreciation for liturgical development over time. That is not something one entirely sees with the NO whose changes are radical in comparison. Nevertheless there is a danger of becoming too set and thinking that the Tridentine rite had been always set in stone and had never changed. It had.

   It is a fascinating to think how and why St Pius V revised the missal in the way he did: to restore, sometimes to expand, but to codify what had become loose and vulnerable (errors, omissions, abuses) in the days after the Reformation. This is almost the opposite of the effect (but not the intention) of Paul VI’s changes to the liturgy. So many paradoxes surround the last 50 years in the Church.
5. PennCatholic says:

   8 July 2012 at 4:56 PM

   The hometown of Bishop Matthew Clark. I’m not sure is this is true, but I once heard that his jersey was retired for either football or basketball at the local Catholic high school.
6. irishgirl says:

   9 July 2012 at 9:15 AM

   Wow-how cool! And in one of the most liberal of dioceses!
   I’m glad, Father Z, that you put [Masses!] in place of the word ‘Liturgies’. Why is the word ‘Mass’ such a verboten word? ‘Liturgy’ makes me cringe at times!
7. greasemonkey says:

   9 July 2012 at 9:24 AM

   Geeze…the last knew the mass was part of the Church’s liturgy?!
8. scaron says:

   10 July 2012 at 3:10 PM

   My native city. So I, at least, am a *second* “good thing from Troy, NY”!

   My Uncle Robert had a Solemn High Requiem Mass in the EF (with black vestments!) on his death in March at St. Josephs. Beautiful and very moving.

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