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Reason #6675 for Anglicanorum coetibus.

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Reason #367588 for Summorum Pontificum.

Remember: We are supposed to be more like them, right?


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  1. Legisperitus says:

    If Anglican patrimony is anything like Anglican matrimony, I’m ‘avin’ none of it.

  2. dmwallace says:

    At 1:30 the older, saner women of the parish depart. At least the rood screen is nice.

  3. James Joseph says:

    Embarrassed I am for the poor bloke.

  4. MWindsor says:

    At 1:30 the older, saner women of the parish depart. At least the rood screen is nice.

    Both of them…

  5. chantgirl says:

    Ah, I think they ripped off their choreography straight from the Muppets.

  6. majuscule says:

    I was wondering who the fresh faced gal was and realized she was the minister!

    And then there’s the wedding dress…

    Thanks for pointing out the ladies who left. I had stopped watching so had to go back to enjoy that part. From the looks on their faces they didn’t appear to be going to the restroom.

    Maybe they’ll seek out a Catholic Church…

  7. priests wife says:

    silly and stupid…couldn’t this have waited until the reception?

  8. Dustin and Jamie P. says:

    I couldn’t even watch the whole thing. My 6 year old son asked me to please turn it off with a look of horror on his face.

  9. But Father,

    You seem to have inverted the pronouns (in relation to the verb) in your reminder to us poor readers.


    Pax et bonum,
    Keith Töpfer

  10. Matthew says:

    I see the good Catholic ladies left after the shenanigans started.

    Yes, I know it is the bride’s special day, but they could have had their ersatz wedding in a beer hall rather than a Church.

  11. Coincidentally (or perhaps not) the ad that popped up on the video was for legal assistance in case of a DUI. (I had made the egregious) mistake of viewing it past the onset of the music.

  12. OrthodoxChick says:

    There’s no way this was a real church wedding, right? This had to be a spoof of some sort, or a scene for a commercial – something… How else would they have been able to choreograph that dance medley so that even most of the pew-sitters knew it? Unless the latest club craze in the U.K. is that exact medley of pieces of popular line dances, how would everyone pick it up so quickly? I saw moves from gangnam style and the macarena. I thought I even caught a bit of the cabbage patch in there. I can’t believe that was spontaneous. If that couple staged their own wedding flash mob, a lot of people, heck, almost everyone was in on it.

  13. gracie says:

    If we’re supposed to be more like them then I hope you’re a good dancer, Father.

  14. Jack Hughes says:

    bloody hell and I thought the wymenpriests video was bad

  15. Del says:

    Well, this convinces me. I totally agree with Stanford Nutting: “I don’t think it’s fair that only women can be women priests.”

  16. It’s very similar to a flash-mob-dance I helped put together in my last parish…

    Haha! Scared you, didn’t I?

    Actually, a group of parishioners did organize a flash-mob, and the dance was something like that, and I did participate…but it was in the town square, and I was not wearing a cassock-and-surplice. And my, er, movements, were…subdued.

  17. This was authentic, a real wedding alright. Cranmer and co., must be spinning wherever they are now. Having just finished Michael Davies’ ‘Cranmer’s Godly Order’ (now half-way through the second volume ‘Pope John’s Council’) I can understand how Anglicanism has gotten to this low. This is a real risk for us too: liturgy as entertainment.

    I suppose at some point I will encounter a bride who has seen this and thought it a good idea. I only hope good old Irish common sense and decorum will intervene. Generally they’re not too bad and keep the shennanigans (if any) until the reception. One of our friars had a wedding planner ask him to wear purple so it would fit with the colour scheme!

  18. Tantum Ergo says:


  19. acardnal says:

    One good thing: it involved one man and one woman.

    Fr. Z's Gold Star Award

  20. OrthodoxChick says:

    Just followed the link over to Youtube. Great gravy! It was real. And they did it on purpose!

    It all makes sense now. They wanted something traditional but with “a modern twist”. They got the modern twist part of it right anyway. Then they said, “we set about rehearsals to create something unique and that would bring our service to life”.

    If these poor kids had been raised to be properly catechized Catholics, they would have known the real meaning of Life. [I think they aren’t Catholics.]

    But it’s the last bit of their YT description that says it all, “remember – you will always achieve your dreams with the love and support of those around you, a fantastic vicar, church and congregation and a bit of faith!”

    Yep, that about sums it up. It’s mostly about us humans – and just a bit of faith. A very tiny bit at that.

    I actually don’t hate the dance at all, don’t get me wrong. That dance would have been a cool way to enter their reception and open the dance floor for their guests. It would have set an awesome tone for the party. But in God’s House?? C’mon now.

  21. mamajen says:

    The minister can’t seem to keep her eyes off the groom.

  22. LA says:

    It’s Chris Farley reincarnated as an Anglican Minister!
    (Or would that be Ministress/Ministeress/Ministerette/Ministermadam?)

  23. voiceinthewilderness says:

    My 11 yr old watched this with me and declared, “I don’t think that’s a real wedding.”

  24. I am cloudowl says:

    As CofE services go this is pretty orthodox.

    The priestess appeared on “Look North”, Yorkshire’s regional news programme to talk about it (slow news day or something). She said the two old dears walked out for vaguely medical reasons.

  25. Michael_Thoma says:

    One good thing: it involved one man and one woman.

    The debacle involved 16 boys and 24 girls, none with apparent adult mental capacity… and whatever it was, it wasn’t dancing… especially that chubby kid with long hair dressed in men’s clothes leading the whole mess.

  26. OrthodoxChick says:

    I am cloudowl,

    One of the comments on Youtube says that one of them was aunt Betty and she needed to use the loo!

  27. Supertradmum says:

    What bothers me is that people seem happy and joyful, which means that there natural temperance, prudence, wisdom and common sense no longer exist. Even the pagans of ancient times knew what reverence was.

    As to being valid, the fact that there is no such thing as a woman priest, I would say it is not valid to begin with.

    Anglicans used to have good taste….

    And, in what a gorgeous little church-one of ours, I suppose. And how many Catholics died in that area so that the first flash mob (false parliament claiming him as head of the Church) monster, Henry VIII, could have his day?

  28. jflare says:

    Sad to say, the only thing that came to my mind was.. if they divorce, does this flash mob become a riot and brawl??

    Sick thought perhaps, but given this….

  29. Supertradmum says:

    sorry for misspellings and typos-this actually upset me more than the last one, as the last video is really bad taste and irreverence, but this, to me, is sacrilege.

  30. stilicho says:

    Reminds me of the wedding scene out of the movie Love Actually.

  31. Gretchen says:

    Yes, at least it was a man and a woman, and they actually bothered to go through a ceremony– which happens less and less as the culture unwinds more and more.

  32. Looking at the bright side… 

    Seriously… What we have here is a young man and woman getting married – a church setting.  Nowadays that is (sadly) rare enough, so good for them. 

    Less Seriously… While the choice of music is lamentable and horribly inappropriate, at least is it a GOOD song.  Compared to some of the unsingable drivel that I have heard in some parishes over the years, this Gonna Make You Sweat is refreshingly good.  I would have preferred Led Zeppelin’s Black Dog, it being much more appropriate for the occasion.  Impossible to dance to, but, considering the dancing of the “audience” at the wedding, that may have been a good thing.

  33. backtothefuture says:

    Are you sure this isn’t a beer commercial or something?

  34. Joan M says:

    “The priestess appeared on “Look North”, Yorkshire’s regional news programme to talk about it (slow news day or something). She said the two old dears walked out for vaguely medical reasons.”

    Yeah! They were about to throw up!

    That’s why aunt Betty needed the loo!

    “One of the comments on Youtube says that one of them was aunt Betty and she needed to use the loo!”

  35. The Masked Chicken says:


    As this is not a Catholic wedding, but it is between, presumably, two validly baptized persons (we hope), the wedding is, presumably, valid in an emergency sense, since it is performed between the couple without benefit of clergy. The woman standing in front is not clergy, so, even from a Catholic perspective, Canon 1116 might be invoked:

    Can. 1116 §1. If a person competent to assist according to the norm of law cannot be present or approached without grave inconvenience, those who intend to enter into a true marriage can contract it validly and licitly before witnesses only:

    1/ in danger of death;

    2/ outside the danger of death provided that it is prudently foreseen that the situation will continue for a month.

    Of course, not being Catholic, they are not subject to our Law, but this wedding is, probably, not sacrilegious, but rather, merely stupid. The wedding, itself, appears to be valid, subject to the context.

    The Chicken

  36. Sword40 says:

    My English grandparents just turned over in their graves!

  37. CatholicMD says:

    Beautiful rood screen. Perhaps one day we can have our churches back. We could maybe accelerate the process by exchanging our modern, brown, carpeted, Our Lady of Pizza Hut churches for the ancient beautiful ones that Henry VIII stole.

  38. Simon_GNR says:

    Catholic MD: if we got the churches back we’d also get with them the crippling maintenence costs!! Be careful what you wish for.
    As for the wedding ceremony…..O…M…G…!! I think I’d have died of embarrassment if I’d been a guest.

  39. Cool Catholic says:

    I’ve read the comments and I ain’t gonna watch the vid!

  40. anilwang says:

    Sigh, I hope they catch the guy who spiked their water. Unfortunately for the couple, they can’t possibly be married since it’s clear from the video they were too intoxicated to know what they were doing.

  41. Charivari Rob says:

    When did the Reverend Geraldine Granger go blond?

  42. jaykay says:

    Brother Tom Forde: good old Irish common sense and decorum, eh? Fast diminishing commodity, as far as behaviour in churches goes anyway. Don’t even mention the public square. But you know.

    Carolina Publican: why would any form of rock music be acceptable in a church? Ok, tongue in cheek and all that, but it is never acceptable. Although I could see why people might think Stairway to Heaven or “Imagine” might be appropriate, cos like it mentions Heaven so it’s spiritual, man, and it like feeeels good. All about me after all. The Big J is a total dude, doesn’t do this whole sin and judgement vibe. He’s cool with me.

  43. Bev says:

    Bravo to the two older women who walked out.

  44. JacobWall says:

    I wasn’t sure whether to laugh, cry or puke … or all three at the same time. I certainly believe this is how the couple really did their wedding. The thing to do these days is to be “original.” I’ve heard of couples doing really silly things at their weddings just for the sake of originality – never this far, but when you always have to be more original than one of your friends, it can quickly lead to this. Most young couples are moderated in their wedding planning by

    a) the reservations of one of them; fortunately, for weddings they still usually err on the side of caution
    b) a mother-in-law who refuses to pay for it if they do anything silly
    c) a wedding planner, friend, uncle or drunk on the street who has the sense to tell them that they will one day regret doing something so stupid
    d)a pastor who refuses to do it (for most kids these days, that’s easily solved by just going elsewhere, but it can be a factor)

    I guess this couple didn’t have any of these factors in their favour.

    My wife is a wedding photographer. Fortunately all but one of her weddings have been good Catholic weddings. The last one was Mennonite wedding, but was very nicely done (in their context.) Conservative and solemn (in the joyful sense), with a good sermon, at the very least. The reception could’ve been a bit more festive, but I would choose that Mennonite wedding any day over the one in this video.

  45. majuscule says:

    Ah, wedding music…

    A family member got married in a very small Catholic Church that regularly used (still uses) canned music. The bride, really into the music scene, had set up the music she wanted. I felt very uncomfortable with the lyrics of the song that played just before they walked down the aisle. Not being really into that kind of music, I could not tell you the title or singer, but it was something about “living together”…and it didn’t sound like that meant after the wedding.

    I don’t think the priest had anything to do with the music. He is a very humble and pious man and English is not his first language.

  46. phlogiston says:

    Now where did I put my bottle of mind bleach?

  47. Michelle F says:

    Aunt Betty needed to use the loo?

    Well, after that I’d need Imodium too!

    Bravo to the two women who had enough brains to walk out, and to do so with dignity.

  48. Ben Kenobi says:

    Ugh, reminds me of the lady at my father’s funeral. We asked and got our old Reverend to celebrate the funeral service, but she insisted on being a part of it. We all just quietly ignored her.

  49. Woody says:

    You all may be very sure that this is part of the patrimony that was left far behind. The only time that women are in the Sanctuary at Our Lady of Walsingham is when the altar guild change the flowers or the altar frontal. Or the cleaning lady, presumably.

  50. Hank Igitur says:

    This is from a TV show, right? Surely it is not an actual “wedding” in a Church.

  51. frjim4321 says:

    Very sad.

    Having a fight with a bride now who is insisting on a Journey song for the recessional.

  52. TLM says:

    They….she…what… Oh, it must be a Brazilian Angelican wedding!

  53. OrthodoxChick says:


    Maybe that bride should ask Steve Perry if he’s available to officiate instead.

    I love Journey as much as the next person, but hows about saving their song for the first dance if they like it so much.

  54. Giuseppe says:

    Almost as thrilling as the entrance procession of the wedding on Glee (starring Cory Monteith, who died this weekend of a drug overdose).

    I think Pope Francis’s arthritis and his only having one functional lung will limit the chances he might actively engage in such liturgies on his upcoming trips.

  55. Mark H. says:

    This seems like it could come from that show “The Vicar of Dibley,” unfortunately that was a show and this was real.

    Beyond the whole having a woman “priest” (I don’t know how N. T. Wright can rationalize this one) this sort of thing going on in a solemn rite of the Church would make any of the Protestant reformers roll in their graves. Thank God they didn’t have to see this mess being carried on in the name of their reform.

    As if the Anglo-Catholics didn’t have enough reason to jump ship from Canterbury…

  56. That wasn’t dancing. That was white people pretending to be hip.

  57. JimP says:

    I shouldn’t have read the comments. If I hadn’t gone back to see the old ladies leaving, I wouldn’t have seen the priestess’s solo at around 2:25. I really wish I could un-see it.

  58. The Sicilian Woman says:

    Come on now, people, don’t you remember the video that started all this fecal matter four years ago? Surely, you’d seen this before?

    Minister in this one was a woman, too.

  59. APX says:

    *laughter after uber embarrassing dancing*
    MINISTER: “Let us pray”.

    How on earth can anyone magically resume praying after such a fiasco? This makes the sign of peace look tame.

    The sad part is that there was probably more time and effort put in on the choreography than on the actual marriage prep.

  60. jflare says:

    “Having a fight with a bride now who is insisting on a Journey song for the recessional.”

    Let me guess: “Faithfully”?

    As someone mentioned, GREAT song for the reception. Not wise for the wedding.

  61. HeatherPA says:

    I can’t wait to show this to my eleven year old son.
    I love his shocked and horror stricken reactions to these things. Probably wrong of me, but it reinforces that he is learning his faith far better than I did at his age.
    In related news, my teenaged daughter is relieved that her nuptial Mass has been decided for her by the Church, and she will have much less anxiety on her wedding (yes, like most girls still do , she and her friends already talk and plan their big days) than her non Catholic friends who will have to figure out vows, songs, officiants, venues, etc.
    “What a relief!” she said. “And Jesus will be right there!”

  62. Cantuale says:

    Fr. Z, you must be a prophet! Have you seen the “liturgical news” of today in Italy: it is the same!! A priest (male, more or less) dancing and singing on the altar while celebrating a wedding! WE are already like them.

  63. wmeyer says:

    Other Good Things:
    – no clowns (at least none in evidence before I stopped the video)
    – no calliope with Entrance of the Gladiators

  64. Strike Four says:

    I was ordained a deacon and then priest in one of the American Anglican continuing church bodies (I probably shouldn’t mention which one). Allow me to make a generalization about Anglicans/Episcopalians. They absolutely do not accept the fact that a priest, via holy orders, has a qualitatively different level of authority than the laity. Priesthood of all believers, and all that. This means that every time I have ever celebrated Holy Communion, preached the homily, or taught adult Sunday School, my words were received as nothing more than pious sounding advice.

    It seems to me that modern day American Catholic lay people are already pretty “Anglican” in their view of authority. Does the Catholic Church need more of these lawless but nice people in her midst?

    I personally am waiting for the second coming of Pope St. Pius X–if we had that guy back, the Catholic Church would see a tsunami of disaffected Anglicans/Episcopalians, Lutherans, and even high churchy Presbyterians going Roman. We are looking for real authority, where the man in charge tells us, “Listen, y’all, I’m not giving an opinion here. I am telling you the truth, and if you don’t believe me then you aren’t one of us.”

    This video was so stupid I couldn’t finish it. I am one of those people who has an acute sense of vicarious shame every time I am confronted with such nonsense.

    I wonder how long the “marriage” will last.

  65. TNCath says:

    Another example of just how far down the toilet our notion of what is proper has become.

  66. StWinefride says:

    The Masked Chicken quotes canon law regarding a couple getting married without the presence of a Priest, I love this from The Betrothed (I promessi Sposi, Alessandro Manzoni), I won’t set the scene so as not to give too much away for those who haven’t read the book, which is a must-read!

    Yes, easy, once you see how to do it,” replied Agnese. “Listen carefully, and I’ll try to explain. This is something I’ve heard from people who know what they’re talking about, and in fact I’ve seen a case of it myself. If you want to have a wedding, you must have a Priest, but he doesn’t have to agree to it; it’s enough for him to be there”.

    “Whatever do you mean?” asked Renzo.

    ‘Listen – I’ll tell you then. You need two witnesses – quick-witted, willing lads. You go to the curé’s house – and the thing is to catch him when he isn’t expecting you, so that he can’t get away. The man says “Your Reverence, this is my wife”, and the woman says “Your Reverence, this is my husband”. As long as the curé hears the words and the witnesses hear them too, it’s a valid marriage, just as sacred as if the Pope had done it for you. Once the words have been said, the curé can scream and shout as much as he likes; it doesn’t alter the fact that you’re man and wife”.

  67. Sid Cundiff in NC says:

    Someone please tell me that this is a joke!

  68. Tradster says:

    Watched the Italian videos. Positively disgusting! If that priest isn’t more than a little light in the loafers then I don’t know who is!

  69. idelsan says:

    Henry the VIII would have chopped their heads off.

  70. OrthodoxChick says:

    Fr. Z. said, “Remember: We are supposed to be more like them, right?”

    Well Fr., now we are. Ladies, break out your tank tops, Daisy Dukes, or skin tight pleather because rehearsals are underway for the WYD flash mob!

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