Anglicans have a home

Across the pond in Ol’ Blighty, the Church of England has approved female bishops.

This was inevitable.  The CofE is on the State’s leash and the State blows with (and creates) the wind of social changes, trends, fads, etc.

But wait, traditional Anglicans!  Don’t fret!

The Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Welby, was reassuring:

The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, pledged to ensure traditionalists with theological objections to women’s ministry would enjoy special provision in the church.

What will those provisions look like?  Will they have in their cathedrals, for example, different tabernacles? One tabernacle with their eucharist “consecrated” by a “priest” “ordained” by a man, another with their eucharist “consecrated” by a female “pryst”, and still another with their eucharist “consecrated” by a male “priest” “ordained” by a woman and then again a tabernacle with their eucharist “consecrated” by… wait… I’m getting confused…  a prystyss “ordained” by a wyshyp?  Then they can have different “communion” lines, too.  One for “communion” from a male “priest” “ordained” by a man, one with….

You get the idea.

How about this.

The Catholic Church already has special provisions for Anglicans.

We have the doors open to you and the lights are on.  You have a home.

But we don’t have – and never will have – women bishops, women priests, or women deacons.

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    Click on the top photo in this article to see a 4-minute BBC clip in which a young woman interviewer reduces the “archbishop” to blithering with a couple of incisive questions.

  2. Priam1184 says:

    Our Lady of Mount Carmel we beg of you to make intercession for your dowry.

    Ora pro nobis Sancta Dei Genitrix; ut digni efficiamur promissionibus Christi.

  3. JBS says:

    The spiritual death of England came with the passing of Charles II, and the temporal death with the passing of Winston Churchill. Any hope for a resurrection ended with the retirement of Robert Runcie.

  4. jbosco88 says:

    A “wyshyp”!!

    Fantastic term. Will use it with relish.

  5. majuscule says:

    Don’t miss the video at the link given by Henry Edwards above.

    Can’t stress this enough!

  6. Simon_GNR says:

    “The Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Welby, was reassuring:”

    In fact, Justin Welby holds no doctorates, not even an honorary one, so it’s wrong to refer to him as “Dr. Welby”. His highest academic qualification is M.A. (Cantab.) He’s “Archbishop Welby” or maybe ” ‘Archbishop’ Welby” on a Catholic blog, or possibly plain “Mr. Welby”.

  7. jhayes says:

    On the Vatican website. He is “HIS GRACE JUSTIN WELBY, ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY” – no quotation marks. Pope Francis addresses him as “Your Grace”


    On his website, he is:

    Archbishop Justin
    Archbishop Justin Welby

    His official titles are:

    His Grace The Lord Archbishop of Canterbury (office: 4 February 2013 – present)
    The Most Revd and Rt Hon Justin Welby (personal: 12 February 2013 – present)

  8. asperges says:

    Perhaps in dissenting dioceses. They could have twin thrones with ‘His’ and ‘Hers’ on them.

  9. Well duh to the women bishops thing. Like that wasn’t going to happen …

    I have a priest chum who was once asked, ‘Can the Anglican Church ordain women?’

    He replied, ‘Well, they can’t ordain men, so they may as well have a try.’

    COME HOME, people. COME HOME. We love you.

  10. Imrahil says:

    That’s not sure though – the present form of Anglican ordination could possibly valid (provided you find an Old Catholic or Eastern Orthodox in the episcopal line of succession).

    This raises the question: does presence of a woman simulating coconsecration invalidate a consecration, assuming it would otherwise be valid?

  11. TonyR says:

    So, lets see. How does this bit of logic work ? The Archbishop says: “The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, pledged to ensure traditionalists with theological objections to women’s ministry would enjoy special provision in the church.” So, acquiescing Bishops and Bishopettes impose hands upon the heads of candidates (lets not even discuss valid formula at this point) and create new Episcopal posts. By definition, they have declared before God and Men that these candidates are newly, and “validly” ordained persons to such office. However, those pesky “traddies” are granted the right to ignore the very authority that has just been conferred ? What’s that about a house divided shall not long stand ? Who is the Right Reverend trying to fool ?

  12. Rachel says:

    Coincidentally, I just finished re-reading “Let Dons Delight”, by Ronald Knox, in which he relates a typical conversation of Oxford dons every fifty years from 1588 to 1938. The book’s amazing– for one thing, Knox exactly captures the language and speech patterns of each time period. But the reason I think of it now is that until the 1888 conversation, the Oxford dons were all Anglican clergymen. So of course they discuss the Anglican church, but they can never manage to find some consistent principle on which to base their church’s authority while still excluding the groups they don’t like– the Papists and the “ranting conventicle-men”. Having ditched the Catholic Faith, they have no solid foundation, and they lose more of the truth with every generation. By 1888 the only clergyman among them spends most of his time explaining why the Bible doesn’t mean what it says, and by 1938 there are no Christians left in the conversation, and many of them no longer believe in an ultimate truth. (One of them asks, “What’s truth?” and another replies, “Does your wife dream much?”) It’s clear that they’ll keep letting themselves be carried downriver, changing with the times as the times demand.

    I could probably paste this comment after any post about the Anglican church, and it would fit…

  13. Laura R. says:

    “The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, pledged to ensure traditionalists with theological objections to women’s ministry would enjoy special provision in the church.”

    Anyone who has followed the conflicts in Anglicanism in recent years, whether in Britain or the U.S., will feel a familiar sense of hollowness — such promises have been made over and over, and have been broken over and over. I hope many will find their way into the Ordinariate.

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