US bishops asked about women deacons

A CNA piece at the Catholic Herald looks into women deacons, deaconettes, whatever.   

Yesterday, I posted about a brilliant piece at Touchstone which shows, incontrovertibly, that the reasoning behind support for ordination of women (to any grade of order) is the same as promotion of sodomy and the homosexualist agenda.  HERE

What does CNA say?

Two-thirds of US bishops do not believe women should be ordained deacons

Most want women to have a greater role, but do not believe a diaconate is the answer

A survey of bishops in the US released this week found that among respondents, 41 percent believe it theoretically possible to ordain women as deacons, and only 33 percent believe this should be allowed.  [Good grief.  41%? What have they been reading?  To whom have they been listening?]

The survey released by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University (CARA) was sent in September 2018 to 192 bishops, of whom 108 responded, [So 56% responded.] resulting in a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 6.25 percentage points.

The responses regarding the possibility of female diaconal ordination and whether it ought to occur suggest that eight percent of bishops in the US might believe it possible, yet not believe it should be authorized.

Diocesan deacon directors were also surveyed by CARA. Of the 186 deacon directors invited to participate, 133 responded, leading of a margin of error of 4.55 percentage points.

Asked if they believe the USCCB would implement the sacramental ordination of women as deacons were it authorized by the Holy See, [not going to happen] 79 percent of bishops and 72 percent of deacon directors responded in the affirmative. Of bishops, 54 percent said they would consider implementation in their own local Church, and 62 percent of deacon directors believed their ordinary would do so.

Twenty-seven percent of bishop and deacon director respondents believe the Church will authorize the sacramental ordination of women as deacons. [nope]

Among the bishops, 97 percent agreed strongly or somewhat that their diocese is committed to increasing women’s involvement in ecclesial leadership; 86 percent of deacon directors affirmed this.

Asked if it would be helpful to have women deacons in liturgy, word, and charity ministries, most of the bishops responded in the affirmative for each category. [That’s the trap.  Functionalism.] Most deacon directors responded affirmatively as well, and all of the deacon directors said women deacons serving in charity ministries would be somewhat or very helpful.

It is to be held definitively that priestly ordination is reserved only to men.  [I wonder how many bishops believe that.  Moreover, remember that Lumen gentium definitively ties diaconate into Holy Orders – if women can’t receive the two other grades of Holy Orders, they can’t receive the other one.]

The question of female deacons has recently resurfaced after Pope Francis appointed in August 2016 a commission to look into the historical role of deaconesses in the early Church.

Non-sacramentally ordained deaconesses were part of the early Church, although it is not entirely clear what their role was.  [NB…. “Non-sacramentally ordained”… so, they were, rather, “installed… commissioned…” something other than ordained in the way we understand it now, which is what counts.]

In June 2018, Cardinal Luis Ladaria, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and head of the commission, clarified that “the Holy Father did not ask us to study whether or not women can be deaconesses…but rather, [he asked us] to try to say in a clear way what the problems are and what the situation was in the ancient Church on this point of the women’s diaconate.”

Francis has acknowledged that the subject of deaconesses has already been studied by the Church, including a 2002 document on the diaconate from the International Theological Commission, an advisory body to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The document, which gave a thorough historical context of the role of deaconesses in the ancient Church, overwhelmingly concluded that female deacons in the early Church had not been equivalent to male deacons, and had neither a liturgical nor a sacramental function.

The ITC wrote: “a ministry of deaconesses did indeed exist, and that this developed unevenly in the different parts of the Church. It seems clear that this ministry was not perceived as simply the feminine equivalent of the masculine diaconate. At the very least it was an ecclesial function, exercised by women, sometimes mentioned together with that of sub-deacon in the lists of Church ministries.”

In his seminal 1982 work Deaconesses: An Historical Study, referenced several times by the ITC, Aime Martimort [US HERE – UK HERE] wrote that “the Christians of antiquity did not have a single, fixed idea of what deaconesses were supposed to be,” and that “the Greek and Eastern canonists of the Middle Ages were even less able than those of antiquity to know who and what deaconesses were.”  [That hasn’t changed since Martimort wrote it.]

He added that “the continuity of a true ecclesiastical tradition was lacking in the case of deaconesses,” and that their institution “lasted only as long as adult baptisms were the norm” and that “it rapidly became obsolete.”

According to Martimort “the resemblance between the ordination rituals of the deacon and deaconess … should not deceive us,” and that “the various euchologies had already given fair warning that there were significant differences as well as resemblances.”

“During all the time when the institution of deaconesses was a living institution, both the discipline and the liturgy of the churches insisted upon a very clear distinction between deacons and deaconesses.”

Martimort concluded that “the real importance and efficaciousness of the role of women in the Church has always been vividly perceived in the consciousness of the hierarchy and of the faithful as much more broad than the historical role that deaconesses in fact played. And perhaps a proposal based on an ‘archeological’ institution might even obscure the fact that the call to serve the Church is urgently addressed today to all women, especially in the area of the transmission of Faith and works of charity.”  [Like, for example, women religious? Nuns?]

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  1. excalibur says:

    Right here is the problem, camel’s nose under the tent.

    “Among the bishops, 97 percent agreed strongly or somewhat that their diocese is committed to increasing women’s involvement in ecclesial leadership; 86 percent of deacon directors affirmed this.”

  2. Dcn PB says:

    41% of US bishops believe that the ordination of women to the Diaconate is thoretically possible? A result of a misunderstanding of the Diaconate and who a deacon is, which I believe comes from poor formation. It seems the tide is changing, at least in some dioceses where we have some well-formed holy priests and deacons coming who know who a deacon is. Still, some days it feels like a neverending battle.

  3. While there was a female diaconate in the first millennium of the Church, it should be noted that:

    1) the office of deaconess was a separate and distinct office from that of the male deacon,
    2) the rites of “ordination” (as the Greek work “cheirotonia” was applied to both for much of that time) were distinct from each other in certain details,
    3) there was a consistent understanding, derived in part from the aforementioned rites, that the deaconess could not aspire to the priesthood, and,
    4) the office was mainly a phenomenon of the Eastern churches that barely took hold in the West.

    If Dr Zagano and the others of the commission were the least bit honest with themselves, they would acknowledge publicly what they already would had to have conceded privately. Given that it is largely an Eastern phenomenon (and barely uniform in its development and purpose over time), how could any serious application to the Western church even be considered.

    (An earlier edition of what follows appears in the EWTN Online Library.)

    man with black hat: Deaconess: A Rose By Any Other Name

  4. JEF5570 says:

    41%!?! 41% of the US bishops are formal heretics. How is it even possible to claim any sort of ignorance of any Church teaching at this point?

  5. TonyO says:

    Do not ignore the cultural marxism involved in this: the very process of sending out the questionaires and posting the results is part of the process of breaking down resistance. They absolutely do not care where the actual truth lies or whether the understanding of the truth can be improved by a survey of bishops. That’s not the point. The point is to preach the SUBTEXT to asking the survey question, which is that whether we shall allow deaconettes is to be dependent on majority view of the matter, and nothing else. Thus: there is no such thing as “doctrine” that holds whatever the majority believe, there is only the current view. The past view is irrelevant. That’s the underlying theme.

    A good pope would take note of the results of this survey, and as a result would put in place a fixed (but unpublicised) policy to ignore the recommendations of the bishops and chanceries of the 41% who believe in deaconettes, and to generally look for replacements for those bishops in OTHER dioceses.

  6. The Cobbler says:

    There is no substantive difference between the proposition that women need to be involved in ecclesial leadership (at all, let alone more) and the proposition that laity need to be involved in liturgical acts (except in the receptive role proper to laity and even that only for their sake, not the liturgy’s, as Mass can be said with none save the priest himself). They are the exact same attitude toward hierarchy and obsession with power, masked (poorly, in both cases) with the same dodge about participation using the same fallacy that the receptive, responsive or following role is not participatory (which fallacy belies the dodge).

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