The other day, I asked “What’s going on?”
Another.
Our Bishop, @BpOSoli, has restricted the Diocese of Salt Lake City to only two authorized priests celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass, despite a growing number of conversions from the Mormon community to the tradional faith.
He has scattered many thriving Latin Mass… pic.twitter.com/eZGfFXxOz8
— Camila Rocha (@Camila_Rocha) July 2, 2026
I am sure we will learn more.
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It seems to me that these bishops have gotten marching orders from on high.
I am not a traditionalist. I dislike how the word tradition is often used, without distinguishing from tradition and Tradition.
Everybody follows a tradition, whether is the tradition of one author or another, one fashion or another. From this perspective there are traditionalists everywhere. The person who wants a hippie Mass, or a Mass with the horrible music (here called before little pony), and that is angry about anything latin or anything “old”, is a traditionalist of his own tradition. The worship a certain cultural or temporal milieu.
I know many, especially amongst the anti-SSPX traditionalist crowd, are crowing that Summorum Pontificum 2.0 is just around the corner . . . but it sure looks like all the momentum is continuing to flow the other direction.
As has been noted before, there are many in the Church hierarchy who have a deep hatred for those with a love for the TLM. And this is evident even to the extent that it causes them to ignore the practical benefits of the TLM. Our now retired pastor who had offered the TLM at our parish and at his prior parishes helped led several of his former TLM altar servers to a vocation in the priesthood. For boys serving as altar servers at the TLM is a documented pathway to the priesthood, but many bishops, including our bishop, just don’t care. Our diocese had only one ordination this year and will have none next year. You would think that anything which would help vocations would be encouraged, but no. Their distaste for the TLM and the people who attend it is simply too strong.
I’m still trying to come to grips with the fact that 2 of our FSSP priests during their homilies, characterized the SSPX situation in an unjust manner towards them. I didn’t expect the FSSP to give a ringing endorsement of the consecrations, but if they’re going to throw them under the bus, then why say anything at all? I thought they would be better than that. It doesn’t make sense, unless they are either a) truly ignorant of the situation, or b) they were forced to from higher authorities. Which is even more troubling.
I think the Vatican has a list and every month they have a new bishop lay down the axe on the TLM.
On another note, the ICKSP website was hacked today. The devil is full on attacking Tradition.
Comments put on X like those from Camilla Rocha, do not help the cause. Her full frontal attack on the New Mass just gives her Bishop more justification to squeeze the Vetus Ordo.
@bigtex
While by no means universal, I have also been taken aback by the pettiness coming from FSSP priests in how lopsidedly they criticize the SSPX. I’m sure there is likely criticism towards the FSSP from SSPX folks, although I’ve not personally encountered it so can’t comment on it. If anything, I would hope that a feeling of mutual understanding permeated both camps, but so it goes.
But, in the face of consistent and still growing persecution of traditionalists within the diocesan Church, it’s dismaying to run into FSSP priests so eager to cast scorn on the SSPX without addressing the quite obvious elephant in the room at all. I’ve yet to year any FSSP priest at any of the Masses I’ve attended openly call out T.C. for what it is – evil, disordered, unjust, and a clear cut case of abuse and overreach by the powers within the Vatican.
@WVC
I concur — there is no logical reason to consider Summorum Pontificum 2.0 being in the pipe. The name of the game is synodality and, being someone who is ignoring everything related to synodality as a near occasion of sin, you are more likely to get a revised NO that is in line with the OCIA Rite than anything. Take a look at that if you can. No, seriously, get your hands on that book.
@WVC
Yes, there is criticism against the FSSP from SSPX folks, but what I’ve seen is mostly online from the laity, and not coming from their priests. It’s usually along the lines of “we are sellouts and lack courage”. I’m beginning to wonder if there’s some truth there.
I’ve had the same experience as you, I’ve never heard any FSSP priest openly criticize T.C. and its unjust suppression of the TLM. Really, I never see them criticize a lot of the questionable things coming out of Rome. Now I understand the precarious situation they are in, the Church hierarchy is just looking for an excuse to shut them down. But like you say, in the face of growing opposition to the TLM, there’s no need for our priests to disparage our Traditional brethren. Very disappointing.
I suspect that the existence of the SSPX helps to prevent some bishops from further restricting the FSSP and other TLMs in their dioceses. I wonder if a diocese is more likely to have permitted TLMs if there is a SSPX chapel available in the area?
@bigtex We are all ignorants of some things, nobody, including you or me, has the whole picture, on the entire wisdom of the universe. I don’t think is fair to say that they are “truly ignorant of the situation”.
@mickeyfitz
This probably sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that is exactly why they let FSSP parishes into their dioceses, to keep Catholics from escaping to the local SSPX when they can’t take it anymore.
@FrReader
I was trying to give our priests the benefit of the doubt, but I agree – hard to believe they would be ignorant of the situation.
I used to live in the Mormon capital of Canada. If there’s one thing I learned, it’s that Mormons have a weak spot for Catholic sacred music. I’m not surprised that the EF would help lead them to converting.
I am not a traditionalist. I dislike how the word tradition is often used, without distinguishing from tradition and Tradition
I too am not a traditionalist; I’m just drawn to our patrimony and find it easier to pray and stay focused during Mass.
The more I think about it, I think it would be more accurate to talk about tradition and our patrimony (much like with how Anglicanorum Cœtibus talks about Anglican patrimony).
@FrReader, I think, given your comments on Tradition, perhaps you would find an essay by the libertarian (for lack of a better word, but certainly not libertine) economist Frederick Von Hayek. The title of the essay is why “I am not a Conservative.” Maybe even Edmund Burke’s Reflections on the Revolution in France, or Adam Smith’s “ Theory of Moral Sentiments”. There is also a trilogy by Hayek titled “Law, Legislation and Liberty” that deals with attempts to transform a society by force. (I think More’s Utopia was a satire about this.)
The basic idea of all this work is that there is wisdom within any society’s customs or institutions (in the sense of Veblen?) and this wisdom often is only known within its social institutions and often or rarely explicitly known no matter how much work philosophers, theologians or social scientists study a society. The importance of acknowledging “that we don’t know” why or how a certain social structure works comes when a dictator or a social movement attempts or does impose a change in one or more social institutions. Often the result of a forced change (or even an endogenous change) is the weakening of the society, sometimes to the extent that it completely falls apart.
In an essay that is included in the second edition of Julian Simon’s “The ultimate resource”, Hayek explicitly states that his work implies that if there is a change in society that is beneficial, then the population of the society will grow either because they reproduce more or because others initially outside it, immigrate into it. On the other hand, if the change is not beneficial, population will decrease because people stop reproducing or people leave.
The long and short of this is that there is immense wisdom in the historic practices of any Church ( a society that people join or leave voluntarily). We don’t explicitly know all of that wisdom but we make use of it implicitly by following the customs of the Church. When the central authority of any Church introduces a forced change, it does not really know what the effect will be because it doesn’t know what role the thing being changed was playing in making the Church successful.
Now I will show myself to be a heretic. The Church had no idea how the changes implemented after Vatican II would affect the Church, but out of arrogance (or as Malachi Martin told me, they were tempted by Satan) implemented them thinking they knew the changes would cause population to grow. But it is clear they caused population to decrease because after Vatican II church attendance in predominately Catholic countries declined more than in other countries and there was a huge decline in the number of men and women in religious orders. Clearly, according to Cardinal “Heal me with your lips”, by not believing Vatican II has helped the Church I am a heretic.