ASK FATHER: Moving priests every 6 or 12 years

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

As you mentioned in one of your other posts, it’s the the season of ordinations. It’s also the season for priest transfers. Our pastor of 12 years is being transferred to a different parish in another city of the diocese, and I’m absolutely devastated. He is such a wonderful priest, so vibrant and engaging. The youth just love him. We’ve all become really attached to him and don’t want him to leave. Why do priests have to get transferred so frequently? This doesn’t seem like something found in the history of the church. Also, what can we do to either stop him from being transferred, or make this process as painless as possible for both our priest and the parish?

It seems that bishops have the right to appoint pastors stably, or to six-year terms in the US.  Within that framework, they have flexibility.

Is it a nostrum to tell people to love their priest, no matter who he happens to be at the moment, and to focus on Christ rather than the individual priest?  That might seem callously dismissive of people’s natural affection for one priest.

They should certainly give the new priest an opportunity to be who he is, without constant comparison to the priest who is leaving.  The new pastor will have strengths and weaknesses that might not line up with the outgoing pastor.

Meanwhile, I think we can have grave doubts about the wisdom of these 6 or 12 year terms.  First, they seem merely to permit bishops not to have work out problems or difficulties with priests.  They can just wait them out, all the time avoiding dialogue or potential conflicts.  Also, the policy undermines a priest’s ability to shape a parish in the long term.  No sooner does he figure out where all the keys are, but he is worrying about being moved.

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Cincinnati: Wymyn stage a fake ordination at Episcopalian church. Reminder of we should do about it.

Some wymyn played priest the other day in Cincinnati. My friend Fr. Martin Fox, a real priest in the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, is all over this.

What I found curious about this is that the news report at WCPO TV said that the wymyn didn’t want the name of the church where the offensive sham “ordination” took place to be revealed because they were afraid of “backlash”.

They are being so “prophetic” that they want to keep it all hush hush.

The womyn who was the receiving faker during this role-playing experiment was Paula Hoeffer.  By coincidence, there is a Paula Hoeffer who once taught 1st grade at Nativity School in Cincinnati, which is part of Nativity parish.  You decide if they are the same person.  The staff page of the school doesn’t include Mrs. Hoeffer, though an old page does.

The WPCO item is entitled “VIDEO: Married former nun talks to WCPO about becoming priest”. In the WPCO story we read that her husband “Ed, left the priesthood to marry her.”

It seems that the fake ordination ceremony in an Episcopalian church. It seems that the church is All Saints. They have a really interesting staff at All Saints. They do all sorts of curious things there.  There is a page that has the invitation to this fake event.  HERE

I wonder what sort of backlash they are worrying about at All Saints Episcopal?

Something along these lines?  HERE

This is what I wrote about a similar situation:

[I]n allowing this group of fakers into their churches, the Protestants are accepting the premise that what the women are doing in there actually is a Catholic ordination and Mass.

How dare PROTESTANTS decide what a Catholic Mass is?

And if they respond, “Gee, we mean no disrespect. We are just giving space to this group”, then what they are doing is aiding a protest against the Catholic Church.

There is no way around this.  Protestants who give these fakers aid are either on their side, and thus support their claim that what they are doing really is an ordination and Mass, or in claiming not to be taking sides they are still giving support to an anti-Catholic protest.

“But Father! But Father!”, you are certainly saying by now, “There really isn’t anything we can do about this!  They can do what they like in their churches and we are powerless!”

I respond: We are not powerless.  Bishops must act.

Imagine that some women-priest fakers have a sacrilegious ceremony at, say, St. Swithan-by-the Slough Episcopal Church – or whatever Protestant church – in Tall Tree Circle, within in the territory of the Catholic Diocese of Black Duck.

Upon hearing the news that this ceremony is going to take place (or has taken place), the Catholic Bishop of Black Duck must call the pastor of that Protestant parish and say, “I’m the Catholic Bishop.  Do not allow this sacrilege to be committed in your church.”  (Mutatis mutandis, if it already happened of course.)  He goes on to say, “You wouldn’t do this for a group of dissident Jews wanting to ordain rabbis, but we are Catholics so you don’t care what offense you give us.  Until an apology is issued, don’t look for us to dialogue with you again.”

Then the Catholic Bishop of Black Duck calls the head of the denomination, the Episcopalian Bishop of the zone or whomever they have depending on the group, and unloads the same message.

Then the Catholic Bishop sends informative notes to the USCCB’s ecumenical office, to the CDF and to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity in order to let them know the facts about the the sacrileges against our most sacred rites and sacraments that were committed – with their help – in their church.

Then you call the press.

“But FATHER!” some of you are saying, all aghast and aflutter, “That’s… that’s… isn’t that over the top? Isn’t that a terrible over-reaction? You’ll hurt ecumenism! Shouldn’t we take the high road? Turn the other cheek?  Be nice!  Your response should be, I dunno, more proportionate!”

I respond: “PIFFLE! BULL PIFFLE!”

Protestants invite or permit sacrilege and anti-Catholic protest in their church and, when we say we don’t like it, Catholics are guilty of slowing down ecumenism?  I. Think. NOT.

And as for a “proportionate response”, what would that be?

You want a “proportionate response”?  Here’s a proportionate response!

Given that we are talking about the most sacred rites we have, a proportionate response would have to be something like a special service in the Cathedral of Black Duck.  There would be a prayer of reparation for the sacrilege at St. Swithan-by-the Slough, a sermon about the theological errors of their sect, and prayers for the mercy of God on their souls lest they go to Hell.  There would be handouts about the true teaching of the Church on Holy Mass and Holy Orders and, also, true ecumenism, articles in the local diocesan newspaper describing the errors of the sect and that they are not a true Church in the sense recognized by the Catholic Church.  There would be weeks of sermons in every pupit of the Diocese of Black Duck….  Get the drift?  That’s proportionate.

The response of my fictional Bishop of Black Duck is actually pretty mild compared to a proportionate response.

Take the higher road? Okay, let’s do. Let’s take the high road of true ecumenism.  Let’s start by not lying to each other and committing sacrilege against what others hold sacred.

True ecumenism does not consist in lying down and letting some other church kick you and define what Mass is for you, or say who can be ordained, or stick their “F-You” finger in your face when letting in these sacrilegious fakers.

As I mentioned, Fr. Fox is on this.  He has directed some questions to the rectoress of All Saints Episcopal in Cincinnati.   Hopefully, he will hear something back from her soon.

I pray that all these people, the catholics, will repent of the grave sins they committed and seek reconciliation with the Church.  Their souls are in danger.  I pray that the Episcopalians will repent of their terrible offense and issue an apology.

UPDATE 20 May:

Another crunchy tidbit from this wymyn story. This appears on Nativity Parish’s website, under “Sites of Interest“:

All Saints Episcopal Church: www.allsaintscincinnati.org

For decades (since the days of Archbishop Bernardin) the Church of the Nativity of Our Lord and All Saints Episcopal Church have shared common ministries together and were both instrumental in the founding of the Caring Place at Kennedy Heights Presbyterian Church. In the 1960s, both parishes worked together to stem the “white flight” that was happening in neigborhoods surrounding our parish, and we worked hard to keep Pleasant Ride and Kennedy Heights integrated. We value our historic covenant with All Saints Episcopal Church.

UPDATE:

A reader sent a link to a parish bulletin at Nativity where Mrs. Paula Hoeffer has been, at one point, a school teacher.   Apparently, as late as January 2014 she, the former woman religious, and her husband, the ex-priest, have both been lectors at Mass.

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ASK FATHER: Mass on TV and Sunday Obligation… again

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From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

if I go to nursing [home] to visit someone and I go for mass and watch it on a tv and fr is in the chapel does that count for filling my sunday obligation

We are treading in interesting waters (along with grammar and punctuation).  When in interesting waters, it is wise to keep one’s eyes open for traps.

You cannot fulfill your Sunday obligation without actually being at Holy Mass. Watching it on TV in your living room, while a good practice for someone who truly can’t get to Mass (and who therefore does not have an obligation to attend Mass, because no one is obliged to do the impossible), does not fulfill your obligation.

Is there more to be said?  Yes.  And when in interesting waters we Unreconstructed Ossified Manualists will obviously reach for our manuals for advice.  This time I look at Sabetti-Barrett.

We are obliged (most of us), as it says in the manuals, to hear Mass on days of obligation.  I like that phrase, “hear Mass”, because it points to a deep mode of “active participation” which most liturgists and all liberals fail to grasp.  I digress.  We are obliged to hear Mass.

We must be present where Mass is in order to hear Mass.  In order to hear Mass we must be present corporeally both morally and continuously.  Moral presence means we must be where the Holy action is taking place so that we can be said to be one of the congregation assisting at the Mass.  We must be present continuously, which means we must be there for the greater part of the Mass, not being absent for a notable share of it or a notable moment.

Does moral presence require that you see and hear the priest and his words, everything he says and does?  No.  You are still morally present if you are behind a column or barrier or even outside the church’s open doors in a crowd who would, space permitting, otherwise be inside.  You are morally present even if you are not too near the door.  St Alphonsus Liguori, citing another author, offers that perhaps some 30 paces isn’t too far from the door.  I don’t know about that.  It’s a good guess and I suppose it has to do with capacity of human hearing and of sight in a time before sound systems and even eyeglasses.

We now have microphones, sound systems, video screens, etc.  That extends by magnitudes the distance of what we can consider “moral presence”.

And so, …

… if you go to a large venue for Mass, say, the big parking lot called St.
Peter’s Square for a Mass in the square, and you can only see what’s going on by watching a jumbotron screen, do you fulfill your obligation? It isn’t optimal but, yes.

(Whether it is edifying or not is another question.)

How about a small, crowded venue, say, St. Idelphonsus Mission in Dry Gulch (a neighbor to St. Fidelia in Tall Tree Circle and not so far from St. Ipidipsy), where all 50 seats in the pews are filled but a closed-circuit video link is set up so that the overflow crowds can follow both outside the church and in the nearby quonset hut hall?

It seems to me that, yes, the folks watching outside and in the quonset hut  fulfill their obligation.  They are morally present.  Were there room in the church, they would be in the church.  They are as close to the church as they can be.  They are striving to be present within the church for Mass.  The new technology extends the range of the priest’s voice and gestures in the very moment of his speaking and acting.

This applies, mutatis mutandis, to the nursing home, where not all the residents can fit in the chapel and some cannot, for other reason, easily enter.

The patients follow along, live, on the TVs in their respective rooms.  They are morally present.  It is possible that Father or a deacon then makes the rounds with Communion.

Again, if a person cannot get to Mass, there is no obligation.  It may be that the patient has no obligation because getting to Mass is too much of a physical burden.

And the patients guests? They are not constrained to be in the patient’s room because of lack of space.  They could make it to the chapel.  They choose instead to sit with their loved one and follow on TV, thus providing solace and human comfort.

However, I think they are morally present, provided that what they are watching is live.  It isn’t optimal, but I think, yes, they fulfilled their obligation.

Watching Mass live from another city?  No.  Watching it live within the same building or area, but with constraints on mobility, space, other reasonable circumstances?  Yes.

Again, this is new ground we’re covering. There is not much in the manuals about distance and so forth, and nothing about live video feeds.  But the principles laid down in the manuals are sufficient for us to have a clearer sense of what presence means.

It goes without saying that you should give your full attention, as due to every Mass, whether you are present in the chapel or you are confined to your room.

As long as the Mass is being broadcast in the nursing home live, that is, it isn’t a recording for later rebroadcast, you are morally present at Mass, and therefore you fulfill the obligation.

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Key stats for vocations to the priesthood – POLLS

The USCCB released survey results of the 2014 class of ordinands (from Latin, ordinandi, or “men to be ordained”).  HERE

82% were altar boys
73% attended adoration of the Blessed Sacrament regularly

Suggestion to parish priests… heck… let’s include bishops, too:

If you want to foster vocations to the priesthood in your parishes, have all male service in the sanctuary, at the altar, and have regular exposition and benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.

Meanwhile, remember our polls here, sometime back?

Does female service at the altar harm or suppress vocations to the priesthood?

View Results

Does an all-male sanctuary foster vocations to the priesthood? (Revisited)

View Results

 

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Stratford Caldecott is dying. Something just too cool ensues.

I have learned that the English writer Stratford Caldecott is dying.  He has end-stage cancer.  I know that you will, in your goodness, pray for him and for his.

Sad news, but there is a Just Too Cool element.

At the blog Unam Sanctam I read that two of the stars of the movies of Marvel’s Avengers sent messages and the movie company has stepped up.

His daughter Sophie, from Unam Sanctam 

Sophie goes on to speak of her father’s love for Marvel comics since boyhood, and more recently, the Marvel films. Apparently, they went to see the last Marvel film in the cinema, but he was too sick to be able to make it to see the latest Captain America film.
This is where Sophie goes to the social media:
We’re going to try and get in touch with Marvel to ask if they can fulfil dad’s dying wish by sending us a copy of the film for him to watch at home. But I think we can go further than that. We’re also going to tweet the Avengers actors and see if they will take a picture of themselves holding a sign saying ‘Captain America/Thor/Iron Man [insert name of character here] for Strat!’ so that we can surprise him with their messages of support and encouragement.
The response has been pretty amazing, both on the side of Marvel, as well as on the side of the actors and other people of good will, as you can see:
Since the doctors estimate Stratford has only 12 weeks to live, the Marvel Studio has confirmed that they will offer an advanced private screening of Captain America: The Winter Soldier in the Caldecott home next week.

There’s more over there.  Check it out.  And THIS

Kudos to many.

Kudos to the people who are taking care of our dying brother.

Kudos to the actors.

Kudos to the company.

UPDATE:

 

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MUST READ: Ed Peters on Bp. Galantino about “expressionless persons praying rosaries outside abortion clinics”

I wanted everyone to see this.

You remember the remarks made about those “expressionless” people reciting Rosaries outside abortion clinics by the Secretary of the Italian Bishops conference, His Excellency Most Rev. Nunzio Galantino.  I wrote about that HERE.

Ed Peters, who has no combox, weighed in, at his blog, which you should visit:

About those embarrassing pro-lifers

Even though, as a general rule, the leadership of national episcopal conferences is elected by member bishops (c. 452), in Italy (long story made short) the pope personally appoints conference leaders. Pope Francis appointed Bp. Nunzio Galantino as Secretary General of Italian bishop’s conference a couple months ago.

Galantino is calling for a “taboo-free discussion” of priestly celibacy, administration of holy Communion to divorced-and-remarried Catholics, and homosexuality (sic: homosexual acts?). His call for a ‘taboo-free discussion’ of these topics suggests, of course, that, till now, their discussion has been hindered by taboos, or at least, that Galantino thinks they have been discussed only amid taboos. I suggest the first implication is false; the second, necessarily, mistaken. Passing familiarity with the Catholic literature that each of these topics has generated over the centuries should be enough to dispel allegations of “taboos” in their regard except perhaps in the minds of some who dislike the Church’s position on one or more of these topics.

But it is Galantino’s gratuitous remark about “expressionless persons praying rosaries outside abortion clinics” that attracts my attention. I worry when ranking prelates disparage the simple and prayerful piety that some lay faithful show even before the Gates of Death.

I prayed my first rosary outside an abortuary in 1978. I don’t recall what my expression was, but I doubt I was smiling. I have prayed many rosaries outside of many abortion mills since then, have picketed them, side-walk witnessed at them, passed out literature around them, and even drove two women (who had showed up for abortions) to pro-life agencies where they sought assistance toward sparing their babies from abortion. I probably smiled on those two days.

At the same time—even though usually things are quiet (deathly quiet) outside an abortion chamber—I have nevertheless also been screamed at by clinic personnel, cursed at by passers-by, drenched in the rain, had a brick tossed over a wall at me, and once watched a driver gesture the ‘trigger finger’ at me. But even if I had the presence of mind to rejoice at these insults borne for the sake of the least of His children, I’m pretty sure I did not show it on my face. I wonder, does every feeling need to be shown? And what exactly should one feel outside a death chamber?

In any case, if my expressionless demeanor at prayer outside an abortuary has ever embarrassed anyone, I apologize. It’s just that I am still fazed at the very thought that, hardly 20 paces from where I stand, a baby is being sliced to ribbons. + + +

Update: Well put, John Smeaton.

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ASK FATHER: Gifts for new deacons and priests

‘Tis the season for ordinations!

I am getting lots of questions about what to give the newly ordained.

First and foremost, cash and gift cards are always welcome. It doesn’t seem very personal, but unless you are pretty close to the ordinand, well… I’ll put this delicately… we don’t mind one little bit.

For my next ordinations… as if that’s going to happen!… I’ll take ammo.  Thanks in advance.

If you are looking for a book, try The Spirit of the Liturgy by Joseph Ratzinger, though there is a strong chance that he’ll have it already.  Another thought is something I have been reading during the last few days.  I think it is going to be a great go-to tool in the future, as it provides excellent arguments, responses, and quotes.  I am already thinking about how I can mine it for upcoming talks. Non-Negotiable: Essential Principles of a Just Society and Humane Culture by Sheila Liaugminas.  It is new, so it is unlikely that he’ll have it.

If you go for books, and one link will lead to another, please use my amazon search box.

A gift certificate for your local clerical/religious goods store could work.  He is going to have to buy some clerical stuff along the way.

You can perhaps do something collectively. A small group could give something larger, such as a set of Roman vestments or a 1962 Missale Romanum, the missal of St. John XXIII.

If you are in doubt, if you don’t know where a shop is, if you have no idea what you are doing, and even though you may in fact have a good clerical shop near where you live, in these USA you can always get good help from John in church goods at Leaflet Missal Company in St. Paul, MN.  He is as traditional as you would ever want, and he can get his hands on just about anything and ship it.   You can waste time running around wringing your hands, looking for a place, or you can make a few calls and get the job done.  And the people at Leaflet are super.  They even give seminarians jobs during the summer if they need them.

And there are always 5 pound packs of Mystic Monk Coffee and other things from their swag store.  HERE  And there is my swag store too!  HERE

Perhaps the readers would like to chime in to say what they have recently, or no so recently, given to the newly ordained.

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Your Sunday Sermon Notes

It’s back! My not so subtle way of poking you to pay close attention to the sermons you hear on Sunday, so that when there is a good point, you can relate it to others succinctly.

So.

Was there a good point in the sermon you heard during the Mass that fulfilled your Sunday obligation?

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My View For Awhile: Bye for now, KC

It was a quick trip, too quick, but duty calls.

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As I leave Kansas City, I thank my amiable hosts, whose son was, today, ordained a deacon.  They always try to provide the best for the weary clerical guest.

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Thanks to Fr. Fongemie of the FSSP at St. Rose Philippine Duchesne on the Kansas side.  They gave me a great tour of their “new” church, which was a recovered Lutheran church.

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A wonderful rescued altar from a church in Scranton.

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Then some of us did some shooting, which was a gas.

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This was my first time to give a couple 1911s a try.  I also enjoyed very much the Uzi, on full auto.  

Later, we got out a real AK-47, an older one with the fully cast lower, and… the greatest pleasure of the day, an M1 Garand, Korean War vintage!  When I heard that distinctive “ting” at the end, I said a prayer for vets who put their lives at risk overseas and hauled this rifle around over hill and dale, in bitter cold and savage heat, in boredom and terror, to protect our freedom and the lives of so many strangers. I want more time with that one someday.

A friend showed me a sampling of his collection of rescued relics.  Astonishing.

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And…

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Oppps… sorry. That last one was at my other friend’s house. Got in there by accident.

This is what I wanted to post. One of St. John Vianney’s amices, which I once wore for Mass.

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At the ordination, I had the pleasure of talking for a while with His Excellency Most Rev. Robert Finn, Bishop of Kansas City-St. Joseph.  He is a real father to the seminarians and the younger priests of the diocese, who are growing in number.  Very good men.  I was impressed with them.  In his sermon, Bp. Finn reminded the men never to doubt the power of supernatural graces as they fulfill their mission in the Church.  Also, he told them that defilement and avarice are tantamount to the worship of a false god.

Bp. Finn was in good spirits after the ordination. We chatted about a mutual acquaintance, and had a chuckle or two.

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The new deacon, and two cold war warriors from the Compuserve days of the COL Forum!

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Finally, because everyone wants to know…. yes… BBQ!

The best I have ever had.

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You can’t beat a sign like this:

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I look forward to my next stop in KC!

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WDTPRS 5th Sunday of Easter (2002MR) – eternity and sempiternity are different

Sunday’s Collect for the Ordinary Form was not in a previous edition of the Roman Missal. A precedent is found in the Sacramentarium Bergomense.

COLLECT:
Omnipotens sempiterne Deus,
semper in nobis paschale perfice sacramentum
ut, quos sacro baptismate dignatus es renovare,
sub tuae protectionis auxilio multos fructus afferant,
et ad aeternae vitae gaudia pervenire concedas.

LITERAL VERSION:
Almighty eternal God,
perfect in us always the paschal mystery,
so that those whom You deigned to renew by means of sacred baptism,
may under the aid of Your protection bear many fruits,
and that You will grant them to attain unto the joys of eternal life.

OBSOLETE ICEL (1973):
Father,
may we whom you renew in baptism
bear witness to our faith by the way we live.
By the suffering, death, and resurrection of your Son
may we come to eternal joy
.

CURRENT ICEL (2011):
Almighty ever-living God,
constantly accomplish the Paschal Mystery within us,
that those you were pleased to make new in Holy Baptism
may, under your protective care, bear much fruit
and come to the joys of life eternal
.

BoethiusPerfice as the imperative “perfect” has the force of “bring to completion”. It could be perceived as “perfect” in an instant of time, by a sudden and all embracing act, or it could be construed as being an ongoing process of perfection, of bringing to completion. In a way the Paschale Mystery itself (remember that mysterium and sacramentum are pretty much interchangeable in these contexts) reflects this same problem of our perception of time and God’s work in time, or outside of time, or beyond time. The Paschal Mystery is both completed and not completed. Our redemption is “already” completed, but “not yet” completed. As Christians we live in this pilgrim life, this earthly continuum, in a constant state of “already but not yet”.

We have some time to look at the word sempiterne.

This is a vocative form of sempiternus, a, um. In philosophy and theology (mostly indistinguishable in ancient times through late antiquity) there has been constant effort to figure out time and God’s relationship to time. In this prayer sempiternus is simply the equivalent of aeternus, “eternal”. Scripture has innumerable references to God being aeternus and it is associated with God’s unchanging nature. There are some 50 or so prayers in the Ordinary Form missal which begin with today’s formula and many that start with aeterne Deus.

Even though the words are pretty much interchangeable in our prayers, eternity and sempiternity are really different concepts.

Eternity can be thought of different ways.

First, eternity can be completely independent of time. Something eternal in this sense is entirely outside of time. St. Augustine, who was a Neoplatonist in this sense, thought of God this way.

Another eternity is everlastingness. It has no beginning or end. This is what we call sempiternity. That is to say, it exists at “all points in time”.

This is a great simplification of a millennial discussion, but it can give you a quick glimpse into this language of prayer.

The Greeks, from Parmeides to Plato to Plotinus all wrote about eternity. Christian ideas of eternity were explored by authors like St. Augustine (+430), Boethius (+c.526), Eriugena (+c.877), St. Anselm (+1109), St. Thomas Aquinas (+1274).

When we say in these prayers that God is sempiternus we do not thereby believe as Catholics that God is “everlasting” in the sense of being in time, that is all points of time, but without beginning or end. God is eternal in the sense of being beyond time, entirely transcending time.

Finally, there is in this prayer a reference to John 15:16:

Non vos me elegistis sed ego elegi vos et posui vos ut eatis et fructum adferatis et fructus vester maneat ut quodcumque petieritis Patrem in nomine meo det vobis… You have not chosen me: but I have chosen you; and have appointed you, that you should go and should bring forth fruit; and your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”

By the way, in the 1970 editio typica of the Missale Romanum the Collect is:

Deus, per quem nobis et redemptio venit et praestatur adoptio,
filios dilectionis tuae benignus intende,
ut in Christo credentibus
et vera tribuatur libertas et hereditas aeterna.

In other words, the Collect was changed for the 2002 edition.

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