Daily Rome Shot 602 … sort of Rome, but not

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Bl. Ildefonso Schuster in the Duomo of Milan.


Meanwhile,…

White to move and devastate.

NB: I’ll hold comments with solutions ’till the next day so there won’t be “spoilers” for others.

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This is a book which you might give to all your hesitant priests and to your bishops.

Does Traditionis Custodes Pass the Juridical Rationality Test?

by Fr. Réginald-Marie Rivoire FSVF and Fr. William Barker FSSP

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Your Sunday Sermon Notes: 3rd Sunday of Advent – 2022

Too many people today are without good, strong preaching, to the detriment of all. Share the good stuff.

Was there a GOOD point made in the sermon you heard at your Mass of obligation for the 3rd Sunday of Advent – 2022?

Tell about attendance especially for the Traditional Latin Mass.  I hear that it is growing.  Of COURSE.

Any local changes or (hopefully good) news?

I have a few thoughts about the Epistle:

3rd Sunday of Advent: Let nothing disturb thee

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CQ CQ CQ: Ham Radio – #ZedNet reminder – 11 Dec ’22 – 3rd Sunday of Advent

Here’s a notice about ZedNet for Sunday 4 Dec ’22 – evening at 2000h EST. (0100h ZULU Monday).

Last week we had 11 checkins.  There were some glitches, but it was working.  I experimented with three modes, DMR, Echolink (which is working well) and Allstar (which I am told sounded the best).

We now have the site running:  http://zednet.xyz   I have to get that updated.

Zednet exists on the…

  • Yaesu System Fusion (Wires-X) “room” 28598, and 83466 which is cross-linked to
  • Brandmeister (BM) DMR worldwide talkgroup 31429 (More HERE)
  • Echolink  WB0YLE-R

Fellow hams who have access locally to a Yaesu System Fusion repeater, a repeater on the BM network, or a multi-mode hotspot registered with BM can get on and have a rag chew…. 24/7/365

Want to get involved? WBØYLE provided a Bill Of Materials, with links, for what you need. HERE  THIS WAS UPDATED on by WBØYLE and Fr Z on 4 Dec 2022.

I created a page for the List of YOUR callsigns.  HERE  Chime in or drop me a note if your call doesn’t appear in the list.

For an image of what the Zednet “interconnections” are, click HERE.

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Daily Rome Shot 601

Ite Naves! Caedite Exercitum!

Meanwhile,..

BLACK to move and win material.

NB: I’ll hold comments with solutions ’till the next day so there won’t be “spoilers” for others.

Priestly chess players, drop me a line. HERE

Interested in learning?  Try THIS.

Chess pieces originally represented different military units.   Rooks were originally elephants, knights were obviously cavalry, etc.  What would be the analogies now?

A chessy history book:

Birth of the Chess Queen: A History

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The author is a feminist, but the book is pretty good history.  It was really interesting.

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GO NAVY! BEAT ARMY!

GO NAVY! BEAT ARMY!

Enough said.

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ASK FATHER: Father omits both “for all” and “for many” from the consecration of the Precious Blood. Wherein Fr. Z rants.

Yesterday I posted a response to a question about the validity of Mass if a priest says “for all” instead of “for many” in the English version of the Novus Ordo.  HERE

That raised a question in the combox so serious that I must make another post.

QUAERITUR:

Suppose the priest says:

“for you, for the forgiveness of sins”

omitting both “for all” and “for many”?

I wish this were a hypothetical question. [!!!]

The fact that the questioner added “I wish this were a hypothetical question” alarms me.

In the Novus Ordo, the essential forms of the two-fold consecration are a) over the Host “Hoc est enim Corpus meum” and b) over the wine in the chalice “Hic est enim calix Sanguinis mei, novi et aeterni testament, qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur, in remissionem peccatorum”.  In the present English translation: “[For] this is my Body” and “[For] this is the chalice of my Blood, the Blood of the new and eternal covenant, which will be poured out for you and for many, for the forgiveness of sins”.

These two phrases are the essential forms.  The other bits, such as “In a similar way, when supper was ended, he took this precious chalice…” are not of the essence.  “For” is not essential (which doesn’t not mean “not important”). The only words which are strictly necessary are those which signify transubstantiation of both the Host and of the Precious Blood individually as well as the sacrifice for both the Host and Precious Blood together.

St. Thomas Aquinas explains this in STh III, 78 (also III, 60, a.8 and Super I Cor, c. 11, v. 25).  That explanation of course deals with the wording of the Vetus Ordo including “mysterium fidei“, hoisted out of the form of consecration in direct disobedience to Council Fathers’ mandate in Sacrosanctum Concilium 23 that “Finally, there must be no innovations unless the good of the Church genuinely and certainly requires them; and care must be taken that any new forms adopted should in some way grow organically from forms already existing.”  The “mysterium fidei” issue is another question entirely which space does not allow for here.

If a priest does not say the essential words of consecration the Mass is invalid.  It might be that just one species is consecrated or neither are.  Either way, Mass is invalid.

What if Father gets confused and mixes up part of the old translation with the new?  What if he says “cup” instead of “chalice” or “all” instead of “many”?  Won’t that invalidate the consecration?

No.  These defects, though serious, do not change the essential meaning of the forms.

Leaving out “pro multis” completely in the Latin would invalidate. Leaving out completely the English rendering of “pro multis” (either “for all” or more accurately “for many”) would invalidate the consecration.

The omission changes the essential meaning of the consecratory form.

If the priest is doing this regularly, that is intentionally, he must immediately be informed about what he is doing and the bishop must be alerted.  

For the sake of completeness, if a priest realizes or suspects that he did something wrong in the two-fold consecration, he ought immediately to stop and pronounce the proper form over both or either of the two species to be consecrated.  Then he should return to the point in Mass where he left off.

All seminarians and priests would be wise to learn well the De Defectibus section at the beginning of the Vetus Ordo Missale Romanum.  This section was intentionally excluded from the Novus Ordo editions.

The rationale for that was, I think, that these were matters of moral theology.

The result of that was disastrous for the ars celebrandi of priests and for the knock-on effect that had on congregations.

What is crucial to understand is that De Defectibus said that some defects, abuses, were mortal sins.  The combination of removing the concept of sin from straying from rubrics or defects in matter and form, along with the vagueness of Novus Ordo rubrics and the prevalence of “options” for actions and texts, greatly eroded the Novus Ordo’s continuity with the Vetus Ordo to the point one can legitimately argue that they are two different Rites.

Here’s an example from De Defectibus (in translation):

V. 1. DEFECTS may arise in respect of the formula, if anything is wanting to complete the actual words of consecration. The words of consecration, which are the formative principle of this Sacrament, are as follows: Hoc est enim Corpus meum; and: Hic est enim calix Sanguinis mei, novi et aeterni testamenti; mysterium fidei, [Vetus Ordo] qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur in remissionem peccatorum. If any omission or alteration is made in the formula of consecration of the Body and Blood, involving a change of meaning, the consecration is invalid. An addition made without altering the meaning does not invalidate the consecration, but the Celebrant commits a mortal sin.

If it does change the meaning and it does invalidate, how much more is it a mortal sin?

This matter of options is taken up, inter alia, in

Does Traditionis Custodes Pass the Juridical Rationality Test?

by Fr. Réginald-Marie Rivoire FSVF and Fr. William Barker FSSP

US HERE – UK HERE

 

A note of CAUTION: Lay people, with a few exceptions, are not adequately formed or informed such that they should interrupt Mass.  Most of the time, and I say this from experiential knowledge as well as sincere respect, they don’t know what they don’t know*.  Alas, the internet age (and the age of hand missals before that) have given some well-meaning and zealous Catholics (YouTubers are not an exception to this) a false sense of how well-informed they truly are in these matters, the details of which are important.  Moreover, there’s the critical point of knowing how to proceed in a concrete situation such that the very best outcome is obtained.  There’s an art to that in ecclesiastical contexts.

*Priests are not automatically to be excluded from this these days.

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A new kind of “Motu Proprio”?

I’m pickin’ up good vibrationsShe’s giving me the excitations (oom bop bop)I’m pickin’ up good vibrations (good vibrations, oom bop bop)She’s giving me the excitations (excitations, oom bop bop)I’m pickin’ up good vibrations (oom bop bop)She’s giving me the excitations (excitations, oom bop bop)I’m pickin’ up good vibrations (oom bop bop)She’s giving me the excitations (excitations)

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If you are wondering what this is all about, it seems that Francis has asked non-believers of the French organization Leaders pour la Paix to send “good vibes” in lieu of prayers.  HERE on LifeSite, which article takes a rather dim view of this request.

Perhaps those vibes could come in “New Improved Full Dimensional Stereo”!

One of my interlocutors remarked:

I didn’t get a Jesuitical education. What exactly is the theological status of a vibe?

LifeSite’s story explained what these “vibes” might be.

Dear readers… don’t send any vibes.  Donations and Christmas cards are welcome, however, along with items on my wish list.

Na na na na na, na na naNa na na na na, na na na (bop bop-bop-bop-bop, bop)Do do do do do, do do do (bop bop-bop-bop-bop, bop)Do do do do do, do do do (bop bop-bop-bop-bop, bop)

 

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Daily Rome Shot 600, (Christmas cards, etc.)

600. Whew.

Meanwhile, …

White to move and, with tactics, gain material and be just winning.

NB: Comments with solutions are held ’till the next day to avoid “spoilers”.

Interested in learning?  Try THIS.

By the by, it looks like one of you chess interested readers bought a ChessUp board from Chess House (on sale). I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. If it is a gift, someone is going to be happy.

Fraternity of St. Peter seminarians singing Christmas music. Not a bad gift idea.

By FSSP seminarians

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Send your snail-mail 2022 CHRISTMAS CARDS!

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ASK FATHER: Does “for all” instead of “for many” make the Mass invalid? Should I receive Communion if I doubt validity?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

My schedule required me to attend a lunchtime Novus Ordo near my office today.  The priest (I believe intentionally) modified the Eucharistic Prayer, employing the old “for all” translation of pro multis.

As far as I can tell, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith agree that, “There is no doubt whatsoever regarding the validity of Masses celebrated with the use of a duly approved formula containing a formula equivalent to ‘for all'”.

Since this formula is no longer duly approved though, was the Mass valid?  If I doubt the validity of a Mass, should I refrain from presenting myself to receive communion?

Just one of the many advantages of Mass in Latin is that it keeps the ad libbing to a minimum.

Rest at ease, the Mass was valid.  Father Jackass’s personal preference which, out of selfish clericalism he imposed on the congregation, did not invalidate the consecration.

Should you receive Communion when you doubt the validity of the Mass?  If you truly cannot say that you think the Mass is valid, then you should not go up for Communion.  If you are thinking “That’s just bread… that’s just wine”, then reception of that “just wine… just bread” would be a sin.

Mind you, if the priest stuck to the proper form of consecration for the Host, the Body of Christ, but then said something that would be invalid for the wine (which did not transubstantiate into the Precious Blood), then receiving the Host you would indeed be receiving the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ.  However, it wouldn’t technically be a Mass because of the invalid second consecration (and therefore separation of the Blood from the Body, etc.).  In that case, Father Invalidator would have consecrated one species of the Eucharist outside of Mass which is about the worst canonical crime a priest can commit, called in the Latin Code “nefas” (“monstrous, abominable” – can. 927).  If he did that wittingly, and it could be demonstrated through proofs, the bishop ought move swiftly to impose censures.  Moreover, something would have to be done about any Mass stipends received for those non-Masses.  A great deal of work would be needed to repair the terrible scandal.

 

 

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Daily Rome Shot 600, etc.

Meanwhile,….

White to move and win material.

NB: I’ll hold comments with solutions ’till the next day so there won’t be “spoilers” for others.

Interested in learning?  Try THIS.   You might check out a “freebie”, too.  HERE

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