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- Fr. John Zuhlsdorf on New book SHUTS DOWN the old chestnut objections to the Traditional Latin Mass. Get ready to respond to objections and to deepen your understanding.: “samwise: Valid objection Not really, no. Now, it’s my turn to ask: Have you read it yet?”
- on Letter of Bp. Jude Noble to the Faithful of the Diocese of Black Duck concerning 8 December 2024: “How about Anyone around before 1962 can do whatever we want. We are Pre-conciliar. OTHERWISE KNOWN AS BEFORE THE MADNESS!”
- on ASK FATHER: 8 December 2024 is Immaculate Conception but also the 2nd Sunday of Advent – What to do?: “So let me get this straight…. For the N.O., Ascension Thursday is so important that it is moved to a…”
- on ASK FATHER: 8 December 2024 is Immaculate Conception but also the 2nd Sunday of Advent – What to do?: “FSSP Phoenix is transferring to the 9th, probably to be “in union” with the local bishop. Will be interesting to…”
- on Daily Rome Shot 1178: Maiestatis ac ditioni vim tuetur et fidem conciliat: “I’m still disappointed the Jacinta and Francisco were beatified under this pontificate (Fatima). Personally I don’t see the miracle associated…”
- on I had a funny thought about a possible US Ambassador to the Holy See – UPDATED: “Besides the general restrictions from the Church against priests holding public office… Would the secular side really be comfortable with…”
- on Daily Rome Shot 1179: One two, buckle my shoe…: “Mate in… 6? White to move. [NB: I’ll hold comments with solutions ’till the next day so there won’t be…”
- on New book SHUTS DOWN the old chestnut objections to the Traditional Latin Mass. Get ready to respond to objections and to deepen your understanding.: “Valid objection: Is a PhD in philosophy qualified to pontificate on matters best suited for an STL/STD in Liturgical Studies…”
- on New book SHUTS DOWN the old chestnut objections to the Traditional Latin Mass. Get ready to respond to objections and to deepen your understanding.: “samwise: Your questions are amusing. Think about what the book is entitled. Then think about what you asked.”
- on New book SHUTS DOWN the old chestnut objections to the Traditional Latin Mass. Get ready to respond to objections and to deepen your understanding.: “Isn’t Dr K a philosopher by training? isn’t this a bit outside his scope? i.e. I consult Dr Robert Sokolowski…”
- on Daily Rome Shot 1178: Maiestatis ac ditioni vim tuetur et fidem conciliat: “1. R-g6 If . . . . . . , B×g6+ 2. N×g6# If . . . . . .…”
- on 10th birthday of the fantastic TLM book “Treasure and Tradition”!: “An interesting story in the Detroit Free Press about the Traditional community at St Joseph Shrine.”
- on New book SHUTS DOWN the old chestnut objections to the Traditional Latin Mass. Get ready to respond to objections and to deepen your understanding.: “I love, love, love Dr K’s books! Received this one a few weeks ago, Fr Z. Currently finishing They Have…”
- on Daily Rome Shot 1178: Maiestatis ac ditioni vim tuetur et fidem conciliat: “Thank you for the St. Edmund details! It is disappointing that Dr. Parker has not posted anything at her blog,…”
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Tag Archives: ICEL
“O God, you are so big!” Maronite English liturgical translations: Devastation!
For decades we Latin Church Catholics in the English speaking world suffered from hideous liturgical translations, prepared by ICEL. Remember what they were like? Here is the quintessential, typical, emblematic, prototypical, illustrative, archetypal, representative Obsolete ICEL prayer: O God, you are … Read More
Card. George on liturgical translation
At Amerika there is an interview with Francis Card. George, the out-going Archbishop of Chicago. Among the various questions put to him, this one, with the answer caught my special attention. My emphases and comments: You were prominent in … Read More
Posted in Fr. Z KUDOS, Liturgy Science Theatre 3000, Our Catholic Identity, WDTPRS
Tagged Card. George, ICEL, justice, religion, SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM, translation
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10 Comments
More on Brentwood Butler and revolt against the ICEL translation
A little while ago, a priest of the Diocese of Brentwood (UK), Fr. Michael Butler – director of the diocesan commission for liturgy, sent a letter to the priests of that diocese, and to the über-liberal, dissident weekly publication The … Read More
Posted in Fr. Z KUDOS, Liberals, Liturgy Science Theatre 3000, Mail from priests, The Drill
Tagged D. Brentwood, dissent, Fr Michael J. Butler, Fr. Hunwicke, ICEL, language, Latin, liberals, liturgy, translation
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Priest (D. Brentwood, UK) claims we can use obsolete English translation of Missal. FAIL.
UPDATE: HERE Readers of Protect the Pope have informed us that Bishop Thomas McMahon has acted decisively against Fr Butler’s letter advocating that they abandon the revised Roman Missal by writing to the priests of Brentwood diocese to refute his arguments … Read More
ICEL: 50th anniversary – Two Cheers for ICEL!
Two cheers for ICEL! I was sent this by an ICEL insider: ICEL was founded in St Peter’s Basilica fifty years ago today. The occasion will be marked by a Solemn Mass at the Altar of the Chair at 5pm, … Read More
Posted in Events, Liturgy Science Theatre 3000, Our Catholic Identity, The future and our choices
Tagged ICEL, Latin, SC 36, SC 54, vernacular
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5 Comments
Liberal survey of priests on new translation is inaccurate
A little while ago, some people who hate on the new translation of the Roman Missal had a little survey of priests and their reception of the translation. It may not come as a huge surprise that the survey found … Read More
A priest reacts to priests reacting to the new translation
Over at the Deacon’s Bench, Rev. Mr. Kandra has a great post. A priest wrote to Dcn. Kandra as a reaction to the whiny survey of priests about the new translation. My emphases and comments: After reading this latest post on how … Read More
Lest We Forget: Of surveys, liturgical translations and whining
It has been brought to my attention that there is a survey about how priests in these USA are accepting – or not – the new, corrected ICEL translation of the Roman Missal. STILL? Are they still grizzling on about … Read More
ACTION ITEM! POLL ALERT – The Tablet about the new tranzleshun
UPDATE 7 Dec: The Tablistas finally found the correct texts for their poll about the new translation. Go back and give it another try! NB: As a sweetener, there is a question about preference for the Ordinary or Extraordinary Forms. … Read More
Posted in Liberals, Liturgy Science Theatre 3000, POLLS
Tagged ICEL, New Translation, poll
63 Comments
63 Comments
Bad news for the critics of the new ICEL translation. No surprise for the rest of us.
This Saturday/Sunday is the liturgical 1st Anniversary of the implementation of the new, corrected ICEL translation in the USA. I have been exchanging emails today about the findings of Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) at Georgetown University concerning … Read More
Bp. Trautman retires, successor appointed to Diocese of Erie
WDTPRS’s worthy opponent, the Most Rev. Donald W. Trautman, Bishop of Erie has now officially stepped aside as the shepherd of that portion of the People of God. I extend to His Excellency Bishop Trautman prayerful best wishes for an … Read More
Revision of English “Liturgy of the Hours” to begin
I noticed this in the newsletter of the USCCB’s Committee for Divine Worship: Liturgy of the Hours Among the many liturgical books affected by the implementation of the Roman Missal, Third Edition, none has generated more questions or interest than … Read More
Posted in Liturgy Science Theatre 3000
Tagged ICEL, Liturgiam authenticam, liturgy, Liturgy of the Hours, prayer, translation, USCCB, worship
56 Comments
56 Comments
This Lent brings a new, old Roman tradition for Mass: the Oratio super populum
Now that the new, corrected translation is in force in most places, you will notice with the beginning of Lent something new that is really something old: the Oratio super populum… the Prayer over the people at the end of … Read More
REVIEW: Roman Missal from the Catholic Truth Society (UK) – spiffing!
At long last I received my new altar edition of the Roman Missal by the Catholic Truth Society in England. The book was ridiculously held up in customs. I have looked virtually all the new missals. I really like this … Read More
Reason #668948 for the new, corrected translation
For 9 September: Saint Peter Claver in the Ordinary Form. COLLECT (2002 MR): Deus, qui beatum Petrum servorum servum effecisti eumque mira in eis iuvandis caritate et patientia roborasti, eius nobis intercessione concede, ut, qua Iesu Christi sunt, quaerentes, proximos … Read More
Posted in Liturgy Science Theatre 3000, WDTPRS
Tagged ICEL, new corrected translation, St. Peter Claver
15 Comments
15 Comments
“Generally the feedback has been very positive.”
On the site of the Bishops Conference of England and Wales, there is an audio/podcast with Msgr. Andrew Wadsworth, Executive Secretary of ICEL about the new, corrected translation. Podcast: Mgr Andrew Wadsworth of ICEL talks about the new translation of … Read More
Posted in Brick by Brick
Tagged Gregorian chant, ICEL, liturgical music, Msgr. A. Wadsworth, New Translation
17 Comments
17 Comments
What to do with obsolete ICEL Missals – “Sacramentaries”
People have been asking what to do with obsolete editions of the lame-duck Sacramentary. I have made some suggestions in the past. The Canadian Bishops gave their own suggestion. For real. De-commissioning the Sacramentary 1. After the Prayer after Communion, … Read More
Requiem for an ICEL translation
In England the new translation of the Ordinary of Mass will be used beginning September. Therefore, this Sunday was the last Sunday people will be constrained by law to hear the lame-duck ICEL version in force for these last few … Read More
Posted in Brick by Brick, Mail from priests, Our Catholic Identity, The Drill
Tagged Fr. Blake, ICEL, New Translation
45 Comments
45 Comments
Fr. John Zuhlsdorf on New book SHUTS DOWN the old chestnut objections to the Traditional Latin Mass. Get ready to respond to objections and to deepen your understanding.: “samwise: Valid objection Not really, no. Now, it’s my turn to ask: Have you read it yet?”
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