I received the following from a priest friend:
Extraordinary Form workshop for priests to be held in the Archdiocese of Washington
September 9, 10 and 11 (Tues-Thurs)
Church of Saint Mary
Bryantown MD
Those interested whould contact Fr Mark Knestout, Office of Worship, 301.833.4594, email knestoutm@adw.org or Fr. Thomas LaHood, 301.475.8403, email tlahood@adwparish.org.
Workshop is to be given by Fr Victor Szczurek, O. Praem., of Saint Michael’s Abbey in Orange, California.
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Father Z,
This is in our backyard. Will I attend the training or not?
Thanks be to God. I never thought it would happen here.
Father G –
And why do you hesitate?
Father C
Deo Gratias! Father Z – Tell them to get their holy heinies up to Northern Californa’s SF archdiocese post haste! Their talents are sorely needed here : *(
Father C,
Have to ask my pastor’s permission to attend.
I spoke w/ Fr. LaHood, there are now 12 who
signed up.
St. Michael’s Abbey is tucked away in the wilds (or at least it used to be) of trees and quiet canyons behind the madhouse that is the Lake Forest, Mission Viejo area of Orange County, CA. I raised my family during the 1970s in what used to be El Toro (Lake Forest) and knew the Norbertines of St. Michael’s to be most holy men, well respected by all with whom they came in contact. God continue to bless them.
God willing I will be one of the twelve.
Thanks to the pastor of Saint Mary’s Church in Bryantown, MD.
This is not a criticism, but I would be delighted to hear that the Norbertines. of which Fr. Victor is a member, were also sponsoring a training session on their own Rite.
Before you say, speak for yourself, Dominican, check out Domincan Liturgy for the numerous examples of Dominican Rite Masses, solemn as well as said, being celebrated on the West Coast.
Three questions:
1. Will priests from the Arlington Diocese be allowed to attend if there is room?
2. Why would a priest need permission from his pastor to attend this training assuming the training did not conflict with other duties?
3. Does anyone know (with certainty) if a pastor “may” specificallly prohibit his parochial vicar or any other priest in his parish from celebrating the Traditional Mass in the church to which he is assigned assuming he is capable and not juridically impeded from doing so?
would this prohibition be within the bounds of canon law and/or the intent of Summorum Pontificum?
This is a wonderful piece of news. The Archdiocese of Washington is, sadly, one of the few dioceses where absolutely nothing changed after the motu proprio. Hopefully this will be the catalyst for priests to start introducing traditional Latin Masses in their parishes on Sunday mornings and more. Twelve men enrolled is a fantastic number here — I am thrilled to hear this.
I wish I could be convinced that Washington is one of the few dioceses where nothing has changed. As far as I know, virtually nothing has yet changed in Albany, NY. I would be delighted to learn that I’m wrong.
Ken,
Archdiocese of Washington is a small archdiocese, smaller than Pittsburg diocese. But we offer TLM in the city (St. Mary’s in
Chinatown), suburb (our Lady Queen of Poland/St Maximilian in Silver Spring) and rural (St. Francis deSales in Benedict).
Abe,
Parochial vicar is subordinate to his Pastor. He has the priveledge
to say “No”, you are needed here in the parish. Then I have to
obey him like he or we obey our bishop.
Thanks, Father G — we are just craving more, that’s all. (i.e. daily Mass, traditional confession/absolution, organized first communion classes, confirmation, catechism, etc.) These classes will certainly help many priests, a cause for great joy.
Per the Office of Worship, the classes are indeed open to Diocese of Arlington priests.
Also, there are a few typos in the above announcement, including a phone number. It should be (301) 853-4594.
I will pray that this workshop is a success and that all priests who wish to attend may do so. Also Thank you, to who ever is responsible for bringing this workshop to fruition.
Fr. Knestout is great. He is definitely a good person to have helping in diocesan Masses.
Also, Old St. Mary’s here has been doing the Extraordinary Form of the Mass for many, many years. As far as I know it has been all that is requested in my local area because the Masses are at convenient times and the church is in a convenient location.
Because of the number of priests wishing to attend is higher than expected, we had to move to Sacred Heart Church in LaPlata, Maryland.
Fr. LaHood — Although the classes will not be at your beautiful church, thank you for sponsoring the original location. It is so encouraging to hear expectations were already exceeded.
The Archdiocese of Washington is, sadly, one of the few dioceses where absolutely nothing changed after the motu proprio.
Not 100% true… St. Bernadette’s in Silver Spring offered a TLM on the feast of Our Lady of Lourdes. That wouldn’t have happened before the MP. Hopefully this meeting will help things along even more in the Archdiocese.
A previous contributor to this discussion stated, “I wish I could be convinced that Washington is one of the few dioceses where nothing has changed. As far as I know, virtually nothing has yet changed in Albany, NY.” In the Albany diocese, on July 8, 2007, the day after the motu proprio, the woman chancellor and a priest representing the diocesan offices held a special meeting with the Tridentine community at St. Peter’s Church in Troy. The diocese was very focused on the motu proprio, and they were obviously testing the reaction of the Tridentine community. But in the process they made it clear that no priests of the Tridentine priestly societies were welcome in the diocese, in spite of the rapidly declining number of diocesan priests and the uncertain future for the Tridentine community. Many of the Tridentine parishioners reacted months later, however, when a majority of them signed a petition to keep open their historic St. Peter’s Church, in the face of diocesan plans for massive church closings, of which St. Peter’s seemed a likely target. While officers of a lay association that previously represented the Tridentine community sided with the diocese, a lady in the Tridentine community who organized the petition was winning the friendship and support of novus ordo parishioners, and, more important than the petition itself, these parishioners began reciting a parish Rosary in between the English Mass and the Tridentine Mass, thereby appealing to Our Lady for help. This show of Faith and Marian devotion among the parishioners, representing the Tridentine and novus ordo communities alike, shows how the leadership of some within the Tridentine community has inspired even those who until now have attended primarily the novus ordo. “Nothing has yet changed in Albany” in the sense that diocesan officials do not want the Tridentine Mass to grow, but much has changed in that members of the Tridentine community have won support throughout the parish, and are determined to trust in Providence in their effort to work more than ever for the full application of the directives of the Holy See.
Please visit (http://www.SaveSaintPeters.com) to sign the online petition to urge Albany, New York’s
Catholic Diocese to keep Saint Peter’s Church open in Troy, New York. Saint Peter’s is Albany
Diocese’s only church where the Tridentine Mass is available. Pope Leo XIII privileged its altar.
That church’s deed reserves it for Catholic ceremonies. And unfortunately, in the Albany Diocese,
a Catholic became a Hindu temple. So please help save our gorgeous 184-year-old house of God.
“The Archdiocese of Washington is, sadly, one of the few dioceses where absolutely nothing changed after the motu proprio.
Not 100% true… St. Bernadette’s in Silver Spring offered a TLM on the feast of Our Lady of Lourdes. That wouldn’t have happened before the MP. Hopefully this meeting will help things along even more in the Archdiocese.”
There is also now a weekly Mass in the Extraordinary Form at the Basilica Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. It may not satisfy those who hoped for more sweeping, immediate effects, but the fact remains that compared to many places in the country, the Archdiocese of Washington has been relatively friendly to the TLM, and this training workshop is evidence of a greater openness than many acknoweldge.
The oldest Tridentine Mass in the D.C. area has been said at an independent Roman Catholic church in Vienna, Va for about 35 years and has grown to about 275 parishioners.
Antiquarian: There is also now a weekly Mass in the Extraordinary Form at the Basilica Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.
Is that in Our Lady of Lourdes chapel? Or in the Crypt Church? On Sundays? Is there a set time for it? Or do the Mass times vary?
Thank you for the information!