France: Muslims enter church, throw rocks during mass

I picked this up from the blog Etheldreda’s Place of frequent commentator here, Supertradmom.

You know, these days there just aren’t enough girls being named “Etheldreda”.

In any event, take a look at this, which I lifted from the aforementioned.  Go visit there, too:

Pay attention Christians in France–you voted for this…

[…] France: Muslims stone Christians in church during mass

No one will take much note of this. It is just one story among the thousands that together tell the tale of France’s decline and Islamization. Eurabia Update: [Eurabia was not coined by the provocative Oriana Fallaci, but she popularized the term…] Here is my translation of “Carcassonne Des fidèles caillassés pendant la messe à Saint-Joseph,” by Yannick Bonnefoy in Midi Libre, May 27 (thanks to David):
Carcassonne: The faithful stoned during Mass at St. Joseph

Yesterday at 6:20PM, as Fr. Roger Barthes began to celebrate mass, four youths, aged 14 to 18, broke into the Church of St. Joseph, before launching handfuls of pebbles at 150 faithful present at the service. Immediately, men began pursuing the young troublemakers, but in vain. They managed to vanish into thin air, heading towards the city La Conte.
Interrupted by regrettable unexpected event, Mass was finally able to proceed as planned. Although no one was injured and nothing was broken in the church, located along the Avenue Jean Moulin, the parishioners, many of whom are elderly, were greatly shocked by the disrespectful act of the youths of North African origin….

and from a comment on the website, “North African origin”—read, “Muslim”.

Carcassonne has been under Muslim conquest before. In 725, the Wali Ambisa took the city following the Islamic conquest of the Visigoth kingdom of Spain. The city remained in the hands of Muslims until 752, when it was freed by the Franks led by Pippin the Short.

Can you imagine the crazy hell that would break loose if some Christian kids had thrown rocks at Muslims in a mosque during prayer?

“But Father! But Father!”, some of you Fishwrapers are saying, “Pebbles? Really?  You are going to make a big deal about young people throwing pebbles?  Muslims “stone” Christians?  Really? Exaggeration!”

When someone has rocks thrown at her, she is being stoned.  Pebbles are rocks.  Young people grow up.  When they do, they can throw grown up rocks.

If these little darlings are willing to go into a church to do this, and not even just stand outside before or after Mass, they are already well on the way to being radicalized.  A young person, impressionable, passionate, these days often dumb, can be convinced by someone to press a button.

Most liberals don’t get what is happening in some parts of Europe.  There are areas of some cities where the police will no longer go without serious, practically military, support.

Sts. Nunilo and Alodia, pray for us.

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26 Responses to France: Muslims enter church, throw rocks during mass

  1. Ingatius says:

    This is shocking!

    I remember a priest when I was university telling me that, in a choice between a Muslim France and a restored Catholic one, the French would would soon realise what was better for them and swing back behind the Church. Let’s pray it happens soon!

    In a secular society like France, at the moment, however, nobody would dare throw rocks at a Mosque during prayer. They’d either be arrested for hate-crime, or later hurt by an Islamist retaliation.

  2. Burke says:

    When I read the headline, I presumed this act of sacrilege had taken place in a Muslim country. That it took place on European soil, in France, once the heart of Christendom is jaw-dropping.

    But on reflection, in secularised France, perhaps not so surprising. If the state continuously shows disrespect for the faith at the heart of its culture, is it really surprising that those from ‘outside’ the culture feel empowered to show their disrespect also?

  3. NoTambourines says:

    Since the church has been attacked, does this crime rise to the level where some manner of ritual ought to be conducted before it can be used again? For example (apologies in advance for my ignorance):

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur302.htm

    It seems to me that the act of stoning, as opposed to any number of other forms of vandalism they could have chosen, implies an almost certain religious motive. Stoning takes on special significance in the symbolic stoning of the devil on the Hajj pilgrimage.

  4. St. Epaphras says:

    I am not IN THE LEAST shocked. And Muslims are not working toward Zero Population Growth.

  5. APX says:

    @St. Epaphras
    Quite the contrary, actually! At least in Canada. Our birth rate to mortality rate is so low that they’ve opened up the immigration flood gates to bring these people into our country to populate it. If ever there was a time for Catholics to “be fruitful and multiply” now would be it. It’s only going to get worse.

  6. robkphd says:

    “Can you imagine the crazy hell that would break loose if some Christian kids had thrown rocks at Muslims in a mosque during prayer?”

    If this happened the strong, young Muslim men would have led the charge to get the troublemakers. In France, I don’t think there are so many young, strong men at Sunday Mass.

    Perhaps it is time for young men to step up and stand guard at the doors. Perhaps the concept of “greeter” could be expanded and take up posts at each door inside the Church during Mass should this issue grow.

  7. St. Epaphras says:

    Totally agree with you, APX. It is worse since I was doing a bit of research on Muslims in France back in the 90’s. Mosques springing up everywhere, etc. There will be new generations to fill them, too. Yes, Catholics (and non-Catholic Christians) need to sacrifice, if need be, to have more than a couple of token children. The situation is serious.

  8. Matt R says:

    Wow. Yup, that’s exactly what they voted for when they ushered Hollande into office…however, the French Republic almost deserves it, since the Fourth Republic allowed mass immigration from the former colonies, particularly Algerian, but pigeonholed them into ‘les banlieus.’ So it’s no surprise that they are radicalized. It’s interesting-quite a number of them join the army, but most of the good soccer players play for Algeria, since they can’t make the cut for the French national side.

  9. Johnno says:

    It is as the Bible states… when the people grow so immoral and ignore their faith God will punish them by handing them over to another nation that will tyrannize them.

    Liberals are brain dead stupid. They think they are progressing to some happy paradise by destroying the Christian faith that they greatly misunderstand, while simultaneously propping up and supporting and defending another faith that they are completely ignorant about but want to ‘tolerate’ if only as an additional weapon in their insane crusade to reduce Christianity’s influence.

    However you can’t just eradicate something as deep rooted in a culture of Christianity. It will leave a vacuum that needs to be replaced by something else. Liberals believe it will be secular humanism. But secular humanism is vague and completely meaningless. That vacuum must be taken up by something more defined. And when you censor Christianity, then that leaves Islam, which many will adopt.

    In their naivete, instead of the Christian-free utopia they desire, the tables will ironically be turned on them when that ‘dreadfully strict’ radical Christianity will be replaced by a more dreadful and even stricter radical Islam! They will only inherit something even worse! They will keep quiet and ignore the growth of Islam out of cognitive dissonance, they will refuse to believe they screwed up so badly!

    You can’t use meaningless atheism or secularism to intellectually combat a defined purposeful dogmatic religion like Islam. You need something that is also definitive, purposeful, and dogmatic: Christianity… more specifically Catholicism and not the fractured mediocrity of Protestantism. This is their only choice… and they will refuse to do it! They are puffed up with pride and would rather march into self-destruction than admit they were wrong, nor humble themselves to accept Christ… This is why there is a hell in the first place, and why pride is the sin above all other sins.

    Radical violent Islam and Secular Communism are the Gog and Magog to the Catholic Church which is the new Israel.

  10. Marion Ancilla Mariae says:

    Hm. It would appear that the time has arrived in La France . . . and may soon arrive here to the U.S. of A., that it would behoove pastors to arrange to post just inside the various entrances to their churches volunteer dog-handlers with some magnificent and beautifully-trained K-9s. I don’t think that the dogs should ever be commanded to bite or otherwise attack anyone, but they might be commanded to to charge, to bark menacingly and to give chase.

    Say here in the U.S., some activists decided to disrupt the sermon at a Mass celebrated by a priest known to oppose their way of life. Suppose several activists had taken their places in the pews, and at a pre-arranged signal, began to shout out, to unfurl banners, and otherwise to disrupt the service. The dog-handlers might make their way to the source of the disturbance, crouch down to their K-9s eye-level, point at the activists and command, “go bark mad!” which the animals would understand to mean to approach menacingly, to bark and to growl, but not to make contact. So effectively, the K-9s would disrupt the disrupters.

    I think the activists would quickly disperse (skedaddle) and the celebration of Holy Mass might continue.

  11. pelerin says:

    Reading this I thought at first that it was a case of old news as North African youths had disrupted a Mass on all Souls Day in 2010 in this way, also in Carcassonne. It was reported at the time that they had thrown pebbles and pine cones one of which had injured a parishioner and another which had damaged a statue of Our Lady. At the time I thought it was just youthful exuberance, nasty yes but in an area of deprivation probably one of many disruptive events which happened.

    It is disconcerting to read that this is in fact a different incident.

  12. APX says:

    @Marion

    I think it would be easier to just keep a set of bagpipes on hand to drown them out, and/or annoy them to the point they retreat. It’s a similar tactic many ERT and SWAT teams use.

  13. irishgirl says:

    Hey, I like your ‘go bark mad’ K-9 idea, Marion Ancilla Mariae! Nothing like a troop of snarling guard dogs to deter vandalism,especially since Moslems don’t like dogs very well! Maybe the sight of bared canine teeth will make would-be stoners change their minds pretty quick….
    I’m with you, Father Z, when you said, ‘Can you imagine the crazy hell that would break loose if some Christian kids had thrown rocks at Muslims in a mosque during prayer?’ The liberal press would have conniption fits! They’d scream, ‘hate crime, hate crime!’
    Where are true men in what’s left of Catholic France? Where is today’s Jacques Cathelineau [the leader of the Vendee uprising during the French Revolution, for those who don’t know]? Where are the members of the ‘Church MILITANT’ in France, or anywhere else in the West, these days?
    Sts. Nunilo and Alodia, pray for us, indeed! And I would add St. Joan of Arc’s name in invocation as well!

  14. Consider OUR LADY OF GOOD REMEDY

    Eight hundred years ago, Christians were being captured by the Moslems and sold into slavery by the thousands, and nobody knew what to do about it. Then, in the year 1198, a man had an idea. St. John of Matha founded the Trinitarians to go to the slave markets, buy the Christian slaves and set them free.

    To carry out this plan, the Trinitarians needed large amounts of money. So, they placed their fund raising efforts under the patronage of Mary. They were so successful that, over the centuries, the Trinitarians were able to free thousands and thousands of people and to return them safely home.

    In gratitude for her miraculous assistance, St. John of Matha honored Mary with the title of “Our Lady of Good Remedy.” Devotion to Mary under this ancient title is widely known in Europe and Latin America, and the Church celebrates her feast day on October 8. Our Lady of Good Remedy is often depicted as the Virgin Mary handing a bag of money to St. John of Matha.

    When in need for whatever reason, but especially where you had difficulty obtaining help, invoke the aid of Our Lady of Good Remedy, and you will surely experience the power of her intercession.

    Prayer

    O QUEEN OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, Most Holy Virgin, we venerate thee. Thou art the beloved Daughter of the Most High God, the chosen Mother of the Incarnate Word, the Immaculate Spouse of the Holy Spirit, the Sacred Vessel of the Most Holy Trinity.

    O Mother of the Divine Redeemer, who under the title of Our Lady of Good Remedy comes to the aid of all who call upon thee, extend thy maternal protection to us. We depend on thee, dear Mother, as helpless and needy children depend on a tender and caring mother.

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    DEAR LADY OF GOOD REMEDY, source of unfailing help, thy compassionate heart knows a remedy for every affliction and misery we encounter in life. Help me with thy prayers and intercession to find a remedy for my problems and needs, especially for… (Indicate your special intentions here).

    On my part, O loving Mother, I pledge myself to a more intensely Christian lifestyle, to a more careful observance of the laws of God, to be more conscientious in fulfilling the obligations of my state in life, and to strive to be a source of healing in this broken world of ours.

    Dear Lady of Good Remedy, be ever present to me, and through thy intercession, may I enjoy health of body and peace of mind, and grow stronger in the faith and in the love of thy Son, Jesus

    Hail, Mary…..

    V. Pray for us, O Holy Mother of Good Remedy,

    R. That we may deepen our dedication to thy Son, and make the world alive with His Spirit.

  15. boko fittleworth says:

    Long before Hollande, the damage was done by the open immigration policy foisted upon us by our betters as a moral imperative.

  16. St. Rafael says:

    France’s days are numbered.
    Fertility rate among the French is 1.8 and fertility rate among the Muslim population is 8.1

    One can see the numbers for themselves. Europe is on its way to being a Muslim continent in one more generation:
    Muslim Demographics
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

  17. JLCG says:

    I am told that during the Hajj pilgrimage Muslims visit the plain of Arafat where there is a pillar that represents the devil and Muslims throw stones at it.
    So this demonstration may have a deeper religious meaning than merely offending Christians. It is perhaps, this act, communicating something.
    Beyond this one should keep in perspective that to throw pebbles is less of an insult than to drop bombs from a drone and kill two dozen people. I am not Muslim I am profoundly Catholic.

  18. pelerin says:

    I tend to agree with the last paragraph of JLCG. We must also not forget that from time to time in France Muslim tombs have been desecrated and vandalised. The vandals are never described as ‘Christian’ – only vandals – and my guess is that these youngstersin Carcassonne were probably not practising Muslims but just bored locals living in a deprived area not seeing any hope in the future.

    I have visited Paris many times where there is a sizeable Arab population. I stay in an area which is predominently Arab and actually feel safer there than in my own home town. The small hotel I stay in is run by Algerians as are many inexpensive hotels there. The local shops all run by North Africans are open all hours and treat customers with politeness. They are on the whole hard
    working and enterprising. However I agree that in the vast grey suburbs of hideous flats there are many problems but these are not confined to Muslims alone. Lack of education and boredom can lead to violence whatever religion one is brought up in.

    I understand the fear which Americans feel regarding Muslims in general but surely we have to agree that their families being ‘open to life’ is what Catholics should also be but sadly so many have failed to be open to life which has lead to the present situation. We should not criticise the Muslims for having too many children but Christians for having too few.

  19. The Cobbler says:

    Uh, guys, in lands where they go out of their way to protect aggressive “victim” groups with things like “hate crime” legislation and, in turn, do nothing to protect ordinary people from the aggression of these groups, you can’t use things like barking dogs to defend yourself. It’ll be treated the same way as if you had sent the dogs to these groups’ meetings and homes to kill rather than merely to frighten. Seriously. You will be viewed, by the law even if not by popular opinion (but most likely by both), as the aggressor if you defend yourself with threats of any sort — even if you insist you have no intention of harm (perhaps especially if you insist you have no intention of harm, and yet manage to make the aggressors feel threatened nonetheless). If the situation weren’t that skewed these things wouldn’t be happening in the first place.

    There’s only three things that can directly protect a Church from this kind of attack in this kind of climate: To physically block the doors altogether (locking them would probably work just as well), to use APX’s bagpipes idea (perhaps a skilled organist could improvise something in a similar line as the Fiery Burst of Music After the Closing Hymn), or for the men who watch the door to employ very particular tactics to intimidate the aggressors without doing anything that anyone not looking for a fight would find intimidating (stuff like telling them politely but firmly in low voices that they should not enter unless they are here out of respect for Jesus Christ and His Church — saying anything more threatening of “judgemental” will get these doorwatchers busted, as will shouting, but speaking plainly, calmly and quietly but firmly has a way of frightening those who are already at odds with you without any unbiased party who witnesses it finding it problematic… providing it’s not clearly threatening low voice tones either). Even these three things are not guaranteed to work or to be legally permitted, but they’re all you can even try.

  20. jenne says:

    Part of military education (per dear husband) was that the (muslim) youth reflect what the elders are planning. For instance, these little pebbles are a reflection of the “large stone” that adults are talking of (planning) while at home. When deployed the education was that when the kids started throwing stones some attack was immanent.

  21. Kerry says:

    In his book, How Civilizations Die: And Why Islam Is Dying Too, David Goldman, (aka, ‘Spengler’ of the Asia times), gives the statistics proving that the Moo-slim countries are in very bad shape demographically. The U.S. is even, Italy bad, Japan terrible and, he says, Poland (!) hopeless.

    Homosexual marriage: Wherein the Fish copulates with the bicycle.

  22. Virgile says:

    France is already a muslim country – where catholicism happens to be the religion of but a minority of people. This attack on old parishioners (since there are very little or almost no young ones in ordinary parishes: it seems that these have all gone to more Traditional places…) is not the first and certainly not the last.
    It is quite easy to imagine what would have happened if some Christian kids had thrown rocks at Muslims in a mosque during prayer…
    French catholics – and French bishops in the first place -, should in fact begin to be more consistent with the defense of their faith and cultural identity: at least of what is left of their faith and cultural identity after almost 200 years of compulsory “adaptation” to the anti-catholic republican ideology and 50 years of compulsory “adaptation” to the amazing world of modernity!

  23. Kathleen10 says:

    Why France has elected Hollande in light of these obvious changes in population, I don’t know. I did read that there are those in France who do realize what is happening and try to make the point. Just not enough of those folks, it seems. The takeover is coming, because as so many said the numbers are going to support it. Very scary indeed. One Muslim leader said the takeover of Europe will happen without a shot, but just by having children. Of course it’s part of the ultimate plan.
    One thing that ought to happen in the states is to change immigration policy to stop favoring muslims. We need to return to a policy that welcomes more new citizens from predominantly Christian nations. Why this common sense approach would not be taken up everywhere, I’m sure I’ll never understand, because I can’t understand the mindlessness of the liberal viewpoint, which to me seems so contrary to common sense. Almost deliberately destructive, but who can prove that.
    “Youths” entering a church and throwing rocks could cause an elderly or older member to have a heart attack easily. These aren’t childish pranks but reflection of a sincere hatred for all things Christian. They of course are reflecting what they hear at home or in mosque. It gets increasingly sticky and hard to address when laws about “hate speech” and “hate crimes” have hamstrung the people. Insanity, and this was another liberal solution no doubt.

  24. jflare says:

    Hmmm. A few thoughts come to mind:
    – When reading St Epaphras’ comment, I assumed this person meant that Muslims weren’t interested in zero population growth because they might be interested in ample population growth..so long as it’s exclusively Islamic. Other faith traditions therefore being considered..targets.
    – JLCG, let’s not make believe that using drones to drop bombs has the same moral character as kids throwing pebbles. We have, by lack of insistence that they should cease and desist, allowed those drones to drop bombs in a conflict that we all know about. Even if Congress never declared war, we know we’re in a bloody conflict with another people. Even if we’d prefer we didn’t have a need to inflict such efforts, we can all understand that those drones are a form of self defense, even if it seems pretty oblique.
    We don’t know for sure that these kids intended anything, but we’d be incredibly foolish to make believe they did it just for jollies. We’d also be desperately unwise to think they won’t be dangerous individuals within 5 years.
    – pelerin, especially if these ARE kids who’re simply bored and desperate, it’d be most unwise to blow off the incident. Desperate and bored people do desperate and dangerous things sometimes, if only to get attention from someone. ..It’s..not altogether unlike the motives of the average terrorist.
    If these kids DO have any Islamic influence in their lives, the people of France and of that area in particular have good reason to be QUITE concerned.
    Today’s pebble-throwing during Mass could easily be tomorrow’s bombing or shooting.

    If the French have any sense, they’ll start arming themselves and praying.

  25. Virgile says:

    Aniway, the person in charge of the public relation of the diocese of Aude, told the AFP that the whole story was just a stupid game made by some teenagers. She also told the press that the diocese has always had very good relations with the muslim community. And eventually the priest of the parish, Father Bruno Garrouste will not report the incident to the police, even though some parishioners actually did so…

    Now, I have just read on the Internet that the people who are complaining about some young people throwing rocks at old catholic parishioners are – as usual – “only” the habitual “integrists” and “political extremists”…

  26. lydia says:

    France is such a beautiful country. I’m afraid their delicate sensibilities and the generations of secular socialism will prevent them from fighting to maintain their own freedom. They are too lazy to reproduce. I’d estimate half the country is enthralled with communism. I had a second home in the south of France for close to thirty years and had to deal with the bureaucracy for home improvements and every other aspect of owning property there. It was enough to drive you nuts. They elected Hollende because they know he won’t make any real reforms and they will live in la la land until they become Greece. France is run by unions and socialists so good luck to them. Wake up America this is comming our way if we don’t change it in November.