MIAMI: Pro-Hamas demo: “Khybar, Khybar, oh Jews, the armies of Muhammad are coming!”

From Pamela Geller via Pewsitter:

Hamas-CAIR Protest in Miami: “We Are Hamas!”, Genocidal chants “Khybar, Khybar, oh Jews, the armies of Muhammad are coming!”

Clad in the war garb of the jihad, the keffiye,h and chanting the Islamic death dirge, Khybar, Khybar, ya yahud, jaish Muhammad sayud.” The threat of Khybar is the threat of extermination harkening back to Muhammad’s annihilation of an entire tribe of Kews, the Quraya

Muslims unmasked. Mosques unmasked.

Jihad in America.

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The anti-Israel protestors became increasingly hostile, to the point of invoking outrageous Islamist slogans.

In Arabic, they screamed:

“The martyr is God’s love.” This encourages one to die while committing Jihad — it is a celebration of terror attacks including suicide bombings.
“Khaybar, Khaybar Oh, Jew. Muhammad’s army will return.” This refers to a seventh-century massacre in which Muhammad’s army attacked the Jewish community of Khaybar in the Arabian Peninsula. The Jewish males who surrendered were beheaded; Muhammad and his soldiers then divided the women, children, and property. Islamists today routinely invoke this battle as a rallying cry to attack Jews.

In English, they yelled:

We are Hamas!” openly confirming support for a group officially designated a terrorist organization by the United States, the European Union, Japan, Jordan, and Egypt.
“We are Jihad!” thereby calling for holy war.
“Hamas kicked your ass.” That makes for an interesting contradiction: While claiming Gazans are being massacred, the group also claims to have defeated the Israel Defense Forces. Which is it?

Eventually, an Israel supporter calls out, “We’re in America, that’s where we are… we’re not Gaza over here,” a self-proclaimed Hamas fan screams back in Hebrew with an Arabic accent, “Son of a bitch” and “Go to Hell!” along with an obscene arm gesture.

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Sts. Nunilo and Alodia, pray for us.

St. Lawrence of Brindisi, pray for us.

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35 Responses to MIAMI: Pro-Hamas demo: “Khybar, Khybar, oh Jews, the armies of Muhammad are coming!”

  1. Sofia Guerra says:

    We are stupid here in America. I am convinced. People have always wondered how the Jews could have walked to their deaths in the concentration camps. So now when history is repeating itself the Marxist Main Stream Media echoes the rallying cries of history repeating itself.
    This time , however, the Jewish community will NOT STAND FOR IT. Personally I think Bibi is showing great restraint.
    Israel has nuclear weapons yet hasnt and wont attack countries not similarly armed. Israel warned the residents of Gaza to take cover in bomb shelters and that the attacks were pinpointed to warehouse storage of bombs, ammunition etc. Studpid Americans cant possibly fathom that Islamic Fascist Jihadists would force civilians to be used as human shields. That doesnt even take into account the civilians that also believe in the martyrdom cause.
    Israel could destroy all of Gaza in about an hour if they wanted to. Again, restraint.
    Any American who does not know about the Third Reich link to Islamic jihadists of present day needs to learn the facts.
    The American Main Stream Media are liars and complicit with this outright threat to destroy the Jews and to wipe Israel off the map. Obama and Kerry are the enablers of this mission. KNOWINGLY.
    If we do not stand up against the rising tide of Islamic Fascism and a second holocaust of the Jews be ready to die for your Faith. We are next. Ask the people of Iraq whose Churches go back almost 2000 yrs.
    If we do nothing we are quilty of the destruction of Israel. Be prepared to explain this to the “Nazarene” on your day of Particular Judgement.
    I cannot believe we are so stupid. Oh, wait a minute, this is the same country where people know who the Kardashians are dont know Thomas Jefferson signed the Declaration of Independence.
    Idiot arrogance a friend once called it. Nothing more to say.

  2. incredulous says:

    Open the borders! For the Children!

    I can’t even begin to understand the virulent hatred of Jewish people. But here it is. Israel is having hundreds of rockets rained on them and are defending themselves and these haters go crazy. It’s as if the anti Semites think that Israel has an obligation to be obliterated. Haven’t we been down this path before with an Austrian megalomaniac eugenicist?

    We are in dark days, indeed.

    Saint Michael the Archangel,
    defend us in battle.
    Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
    by the Divine Power of God -
    cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
    who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

    Amen.

  3. Mike says:

    I’m usually pro-Israel, and Hamas is a terrorist group, but the average Palestinian doesn’t HAVE a bomb-shelter!

  4. incredulous says:

    Mike, did you forget the rockets raining on Israel?

  5. jacobi says:

    Anyone in Gaza who does not have a bomb shelter has two options.

    They could ask Hamas to go somewhere else away from their house to fire their rockets or, given the accuracy of Israeli fire and the fact that warnings are always given, remove themselves from the Hamas rocket site. Two or three hundred yards would be sufficient.

    Of course it could be that since the objective of Hamas to deliberately create civilian casualties and blame it in the Israelis, it is likely that Hamas stop them leaving, although they don’t say that of course to the camera.

    The embarrassment on the face of an anti-Israeli reporter interviewing a doctor in a hospital last week as the sound of the interview was drowned out by the sound of Hamas rockets being fired directly outside the hospital window, said it all.

  6. wanda says:

    How very bold and brave they are – from thousands of miles away. Idiots.

  7. CharlesG says:

    Surely there should be a different translation from Arabic for “martyr” when it comes to Islamic martrys. Martyr is Greek for “witness” and Christian martyrdom involves being killed for the faith. Moslem martyrdom involves killing other people while being killed in the process, something that has no nobility at all. I don’t know what the root word means in Arabic, but I think it should be translated by a different word than the noble Christian word “martyr”.

  8. MaryL says:

    Hamas is not Palestinian, it is on the same side as Israel. The Israel government and army is not Jewish. In The Apocalypse of Saint John the Apostle: 3:9 Behold, I will bring of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee.

    It is my understanding that the head of Hamas is in Saudi Arabia.

    Pray and Fast for our fellow Catholics in the Middle East, I am so sad for them, doing our penance.

  9. Kathleen10 says:

    It is disturbing but actually a positive thing to see these haters out in the open. While they stay quiet and hide their true feelings, it allows America to sleep and deny there is a problem at all. Hopefully, people will see these mobs of people who seem to live only for hate and destruction, and realize it’s not over there, it’s here. And it’s growing. Their hatred knows no bounds, and each generation is steeped in it, nothing positive, just hate. There is no reasoning, no political agenda, it is an agenda of hatred for Jews and doesn’t seem like anything else. Since we are a post-Christian nation, fewer American people see any reason to protect the Jews anymore, and so many Americans have become spiritually blind, their thinking process, if they have one, is impossible to comprehend. They just tout the media party line without apparent question. The media is against the Jews, I’m against the Jews. It is disturbing to see more pro-Palestinian support in the media. Clearly it is there. Israel is portrayed as “doing the same thing as the Palestinians” when there are obvious and great differences in the approach to the conflict. As was stated, Hamas uses children to protect their weapons and Israel uses weapons to protect their children. The Palestinian people don’t seem to have any problem with this. They voted for Hamas to represent them. It is incomprehensible as well.
    We already have a large muslim population here. The larger it gets, the more problems we will have, as every nation sees when it has a large muslim population. We ought to change immigration laws as soon as possible. It is national suicide to keep allowing more muslims into our country. It doesn’t make me happy to say that, but that’s how I feel.
    One thing I have not understood for a long time, and perhaps someone can speak to it. Why are American Jews so silent? Do American Jews care about Israel? Are they concerned about this growing threat here in America? This is something I do not understand. I have always heard that Jewish people are heavily involved in media. Where are they.

  10. The Cobbler says:

    “Oh, wait a minute, this is the same country where people know who the Kardashians are dont know Thomas Jefferson signed the Declaration of Independence.”
    To be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised if most people in other countries didn’t know much about Thomas Jefferson either…

    As for the Cardassians, who doesn’t know that they waged such a war that the Romulan and Klingon Empires made alliance with the Federation against them? Wait, did you say Kardashians? Who are they?

    Oh, yeah, and I can name most of the major people involved in the American Revolution — Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, I’m probably forgetting a few at the moment — though I never commited to memory which ones signed the Declaration or what the relationship of Adams and Adams was, and I’ll even confess I remember Bifocals Benny mostly as the geek who flew kites in thunderstorms for kicks and science (hey, I mean that’s pretty cool as a fellow geek).

    Does that, like, make me a bad American?

  11. Makemeaspark says:

    It is disturbing to read a post here of all places that verges on Anti-Semitic. Kudos to Sophia!

    I read an article online about how Islam has infiltrated the US for many years, and tried to write it off as conspiracy crap, but chillingly too much of it rang true. It did remind me that during my lifetime I have seen an odd conversion of many African Americans to Islam, mostly back in the eighties.

    I always wondered where that came from, but it spread across Africa right around the same time.

  12. NBW says:

    This kind of behavior should not be tolerated. May God help us all.

  13. aquinas138 says:

    CharlesG,
    The Arabic word for “martyr” is shaheed, plural shuhadaa’, which just means “witness.” The same root gives the word shahada, “testimony,” which is the name for the Islamic Creed: “There is no god but God, [and] Muhammad is his messenger.” I understand your sentiment since the Christian ideal is so far removed from this version; nevertheless, these same words have been used by Christian Arabs for their own martyrs. The sense of shaheed is not usually “one who dies for Islam” in the Qur’an, but more generically a “witness.” In the hadith, the idea of shaheed is expanded and takes on curious forms:

    “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Five are regarded as martyrs: They are those who die because of plague, abdominal disease, drowning or a falling building etc., and the martyrs in Allah’s cause.’” Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:82

    I can’t pretend to know the reason the first four classes are considered shuhadaa’, but the hadith are borderline impenetrable to a non-Muslim in my experience – kind of like reading the Talmud as a non-Jew, actually. Since the 17th century, the concept of jihad has been expanded to include all conflicts over Islamic territories, and thus any Muslim who died defending Muslim territory was considered a shaheed; from there the interpretation by some extremist parties of any mujaahid who dies waging their version of jihad as shaheed is not surprising, and almost inevitable.

  14. Long-Skirts says:

    Sofia Guerra said:

    “Be prepared to explain this to the “Nazarene””

    NAZARENE

    “Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword” Matthew 10:34
    “Can anything good come from Nazareth?” John 1:46

    Magnified by His mix
    Birthed Him for the crucifix
    I … am Nazarene!

    My soul, my mind
    My womb blood-lined
    I … am Nazarene!

    My wounds, my mars
    My scrapes, my scars
    I … am Nazarene!

    Most favored daughter
    Drank death like water
    I … am Nazarene!

    The Tradition threat
    Many sons we’ve beget
    I … am Nazarene!

    We stand at the cross
    We’re used to blood loss
    I … am Nazarene!

    Greater love til the end
    We will lay for our Friend
    I … am Nazarene!

    Many lives you demean
    At, this, your war scene
    I … am Nazarene!

    But peace, though, not seen
    His sword strikes with sheen
    Contradiction His mean …
    Nazarene!!

  15. Kerry says:

    Note that none of the females were dressed in black sacks with eye slits. Will there be ‘protests’ demanding their own female circumcision? Denying all women an education? Drivers license? Defining their worth down by a factor of four? Stoning them to death as rape victims, uh, perpetrators of adultery? Married off at the age of twelve to their 58 year old uncle…
    Ah, the religion of peace.

    Oh, and millions of tons of cement to build tunnels, but no shelters…tough. Maybe they could try not trying to murder other civilians.

  16. Gerard Plourde says:

    I’m having difficulty finding a “good guy” in this whole mess. One the one hand, Israel has the right to counter attacks made on it from Gaza and to secure the safety of its citizens. On the other hand, given the high number of civilian casualties (counting only women and children) it appears that the method that Israel is employing fails the proportionality prong of the Just War formula. Once we let our passions guide us rather than our reason tempered with wisdom we run the risk that we will turn our backs on God. As St. Paul taught, “Do not be conquered by evil but conquer evil with good.” (Rom. 12:21)

  17. incredulous says:

    Jacobi, do you have a link to that video or any more specifics on it? I tried to find it on YouTube and can’t find it. I’d like to see it.

  18. tzabiega says:

    May I remind everyone why Hamas is in power. Under the Bush Jr. administration, the PLO (which unlike Hamas is quite friendly towards Christians, including making rules that Bethlehem and Ramallah, its chief cities, have a Christian mayor despite the Christians being a minority in those cities) was unpopular for having agree to work with Israel. The PLO leaders pleaded with Secretary of State Rice not to have elections in Gaza, but the U.S. was trying to implement a dumb policy of spreading democracy around the world (in places where fanatics would usually win because democracy is not for everyone). So the U.S. got its elections, and Hamas won. Israel is the greatest threat to Jews, because when Arabs look at how Israel without impunity kills Palestinian, hatred arrises towards the entire nation and that is very sad. Many Jewish organizations see this and oppose what Israel is doing. But worse is when Israel denies water to Palestinian towns (I saw lush lawns being watered with a sprinkler system in a Jewish settlement near Bethlehem while an American Franciscan was apologizing for smelling because the Palestinians had no running water to bath in for over a week) and terrorizes the entire Palestinian through constant checkpoints, denial of healthcare transfers of sick children to Israeli hospitals, etc. I saw Palestinians waiting in order to enter Israel from Jordan: it was like the pictures of Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto or blacks in the Jim Crow South. When you are treated like a dog, you may tend to go rhabid and hate your cruel masters, and residually hate everyone linked with your cruel master. A Palestinian taylor living in Ramallah told me how Palestinians used to eat with Jews at cafes in Haifa and Jews would visit and eat with Palestinians in Ramallah. But then Israel imposed draconian measures, imposed checkpoints, and built a wall which Pope Francis and Pope Benedict condemned. And so Israel started the cycle of hatred that is now going against Jews, most of whom have nothing to do with the terrorist state of Israel.

  19. Priam1184 says:

    These people are lunatics, ideologically crazed lunatics. My own personal opinion is that, after having been there a couple of times, the Israelis are stupid and have largely concocted this particular situation with Hamas all by themselves. They just sat on their hands while Hamas took over Gaza in 2007 because they had just ‘disengaged’ and didn’t want anything more to do with Gaza, except to use it in their own propaganda to the world as being a poor little threatened state. They could have taken care of Hamas in a couple of hours back then but instead chose to take the easy way out and impose a blockade which has neither crippled Hamas nor done any good for their public image around the world. The Israelis have a very powerful military and can sometimes be very shrewd diplomatically, but they are not what you see on Sean Hannity or hear on Rush Limbaugh. The reality is far more complicated.

    That said, these jihadist fools lurking in our own streets are what you get when your society disempowers the Catholic Church and decides instead to worship at the altar of religious freedom.

  20. inara says:

    In keeping with the verse from Revelation, I came across this article claiming to have information from an infiltrator of a secret B’nai B’rith council (I have no idea of its veracity, but it was certainly interesting to stumble upon shortly after reading this post):

    Theodore Herzl who created Zionism only a hundred years ago was a Freemason . His goal was the same as Albert Pike’s (author of the Satanic Bible of Freemasonry ” Morals and Dogma”), to bring the world to the point of ” true religion the worship of Lucifer”. Zionism was created as part of this agenda of despotism. True Jews want nothing to do with Zionism. Israel is run by Zionists who are atheists and Masonic Luciferians hiding behind Judaism. Am I saying that Israel should not defend itself? Of course not. Islam is evil. Zionism is evil. All the world’s a stage. The problem is much more complicated than many believe.

    In the London Catholic Gazette of February 1936 a sensational article was published under the heading: “The Jewish Peril and the Catholic Church”:

    “As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come.
    We have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot yet claim that the whole of our work is done. We have still a long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent: the Catholic Church…
    We must always bear in mind that the Catholic Church is the only institution which has stood, and which will, as long as it remains in existence, stand in our way. The Catholic Church, with her methodical work and her edifying and moral teachings, will always keep her children in such a state of mind, as to make them too self-respecting to yield to our domination, and to bow before our future King of Israel… “We have blackened the Catholic Church with the most ignominious calumnies, we have stained her history and disgraced even her noblest activities. We have imputed to her the wrongs of her enemies, and thus brought these latter to stand more closely by our side… So much so, that we are now witnessing to our greatest satisfaction, rebellions against the Church in several countries… We have turned her clergy into objects of hatred and ridicule, we have subjected them to the contempt of the crowd… We have caused the practice of the Catholic religion to be considered out of date and a mere waste of time…

    And the Gentiles, in their stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. Let them graze in our fields till they become fat enough to be worthy of being immolated to our future King of the World…
    We have founded many secret associations, which all work for our purpose, under our orders and our direction. We have made it an honour, a great honour, for the Gentiles to join us in our organizations, which are, thanks to our gold, flourishing now more than ever. Yet it remains our secret that those Gentiles who betray their own and most precious interests, by joining us in our plot should never know that these associations are of our creation and that they serve our purpose…
    One of the many triumphs of our Freemasonry is that those Gentiles who become members of our Lodges, should never suspect that we are using them to build their own jails, upon whose terraces we shall erect the throne of our Universal King of Israel; and should never know that we are commanding them to forge the chains of their own servility to our future King of the world.

    INFILTRATION
    So far, we have considered our strategy in our attacks upon the Catholic Church from the outside. But this is not all. Let us now explain how we have gone further in our work, to hasten the ruin of the Catholic Church, and how we have penetrated into her most intimate circles, and brought even some of her Clergy to become pioneers of our cause. Apart altogether from the influence of our philosophy, we have taken other steps to secure a breach in the Catholic Church. Let me explain how this has been done…

    We are the Fathers of all Revolutions – even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the REFORMATION! Calvin was one of our Children, he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation. Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends, and again, by Jewish authority and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success… Thanks to our propaganda, to our theories of Liberalism and to our misrepresentations of Freedom, the minds of many among the Gentiles were ready to welcome the Reformation. They separated from the Church to fall into our snare. And thus the Catholic Church has been very sensibly weakened, and her authority over the Kings of the Gentiles has been reduced almost to naught. We are grateful to Protestants for their loyalty to our wishes – although most of them are, in the sincerity of their faith, unaware of their loyalty to us. We are grateful to them for the wonderful help they are giving us in our fight against the stronghold of Christian Civilization, and in our preparations for the advent of our supremacy over the whole world and over the Kingdoms of the Gentiles…So far we have succeeded in overthrowing most of the Thrones of Europe. The rest will follow in the near future. Russia has already worshiped our rule, France, with her Masonic Government, is under our thumb. England, in her dependence upon our finance is under our heel; and in her Protestantism is our hope for the destruction of the Catholic Church. Spain and Mexico are but toys in our hands. And many other countries, including the U.S.A., have already fallen before our scheming.
    But the Catholic Church is still alive…

    We must destroy her without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Catholic Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Church as a degrading servility, so that they may become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. LET US, ABOVE ALL, MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR CHRISTIANS OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO BE REUNITED WITH THAT CHURCH, OR FOR NON-CHRISTIANS TO JOIN THAT CHURCH; OTHERWISE THE GREATEST OBSTRUCTION TO OUR DOMINATION WILL BE STRENGTHENED AND ALL OUR WORK UNDONE.”

  21. HyacinthClare says:

    I’m horrified by the people who are posting here who apparently are simply refusing to read or understand your post, Fr. Z Who wants genocide?? Whose entire life purpose is the extermination of a people and a nation?? It’s Hamas, it’s the Moslems, it is NOT Israel! There is NO EQUIVALENCE. The sad story about the lack of water… didn’t I read that Israel provided water to Gaza until a Gaza rocket destroyed the water facility, the way they destroyed the greenhouses that would have fed their people, because they were built by Jews? Would you allow free and unfettered access to your country from a neighbor who declares at every opportunity that you should die and all your children die forever? I can’t believe what I’m reading from some of you.

  22. StJude says:

    I feel like I am watching the bible unfold before my eyes….. I read European papers and the anti Jewish sentiment is unreal… and now here at home.
    Hamas are terrorists… deemed so by the EU, America and Canada.
    The propaganda they are using and people blindly believe it, is shocking. Pictures of dead bodies that are actually from Syria.. or movies..
    Its crazy.
    God bless Israel.

  23. Fr. Thomas Kocik says:

    If, before, I was certain that Islam is profoundly wrong but had my doubts as to whether it is demonic, now I do not. Islam is inseparable from jihadism, it has no respect for (because it does not acknowledge) the inherent dignity and inviolability of every human life (“honor killings,” etc.), it grossly misconceives Christ’s Sonship as if it were a matter of biology (“God cannot sire a child”), and its god is a horrible distortion of the God of the Bible. Its hallmarks are violence, destruction, hatred, intolerance; I find very little mercy, compassion, love of enemies (or even of correligionists!) — and all in the name of the Oneness of Allah/God. This is demonic.

  24. MarkG says:

    I think it’s past time for our Bishops and Priests to re-think having all of these ecumenical worship services in our Catholic Churches and Cathedrals where Islamic clergy are allowed to lead prayers, chant, and/or speak.
    This helps gives the impression that Islam and its teachings are acceptable to Catholics.

  25. Kerry says:

    If Israel “without impunity kills Palestinians”, why are there any left?

  26. Supertradmum says:

    The friends of Mohammed thought he was listening to a demon and warned him. This is found in historical documents. He made up a religion, as there are only two revealed religions-Judaism and Catholicism (including the Orthodox, if they have not strayed into Protestantism).

    Americans are asleep, including Catholics. As I said to my students 12 years ago, if the Pope called for a Crusade, how many Catholic men would respond?

    Sad days…

  27. BillyHW says:

    Pope Francis: “…authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.”

    Reference: http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html

  28. SKAY says:

    Thank you Father Kocik.

    Iran is supplying Hamas with their weapons Mary L. Meanwhile they continue to create a nuclear
    weapon while keeping our eyes and Israel’s military concentrated on what Hamas is doing in Israel.

  29. Bob B. says:

    Sort of reminds me of Germany and the Brown Shirts and let’s not forget the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his assistance to Hitler in raising a Palestinian Army, nor that the Grand Mufti was Arafat’s uncle.
    Unfortunately, I have met many Catholics from the area who think of themselves as Palestinian Catholics, as you might hear American Catholics – instead of vice versa. Their distaste and even hatred of Israel is freely stated.
    Here I thought that Hamas was a terrorist group and, if that’s true, wouldn’t open support for a terrorist group be against the law? I have no doubt with this administration that the call for violence of these demonstrators, is lost and we will hope for better days when laws are actually enforced and not ignored or created by fiat. The resemblance to the creation of national socialism is remarkable sometimes.

  30. SKAY says:

    tzabiega said -

    ” But then Israel imposed draconian measures, imposed checkpoints, and built a wall which Pope Francis and Pope Benedict condemned. And so Israel started the cycle of hatred that is now going against Jews, most of whom have nothing to do with the terrorist state of Israel.”

    Once again -you forgot to mention the Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers sent into Israel randomly to kill innocent Israelis– and some were children. That was why the measures were put into place. Selective memory? Yaser Arafat of the PLO was involved in this terrorism at that time.
    When Clinton was President, Israel offered a piece deal that just about gave the Palestinians every thing they asked for and Arafat rejected it at the last minute. The Palestinians-at least the leaders
    they choose- really do not want peace–they want the destruction of Israel just as Iran and other Islamists have their eyes on the destruction of the West–and that includes the Vatican.

    Oh yes–the tunnels under Israel that have been built by Hamas with the cement Israel gave to the Palestinians to build houses and businesses. One was even built under a Israeli school.

    Israeli soldier uniforms were found in the Palestinian area –and we know what they had planned to do with them because Palestinians were caught coming out of the tunnels in Israel dressed in these uniforms. Drugs to render someone unconscious were also found with the uniforms.

    ” But then Israel imposed draconian measures, imposed checkpoints, and built a wall which Pope Francis and Pope Benedict condemned. And so Israel started the cycle of hatred that is now going against Jews, most of whom have nothing to do with the terrorist state of Israel.”

  31. SKAY says:

    Sorry -the repost of tzabrega was unintentional.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10992921/Hamas-and-North-Korea-in-secret-arms-deal.html

    Hamas and North Korea reported to be in secret arms deal.
    Like minded people.

  32. Reconverted Idiot says:

    Supertrad — love you!

    If the pope called for a crusade….. that’s about the only reason I can conceive of taking up arms in the current world (by which I mean I do not perceive any likelihood of the UK becoming involved in a just war, with military call-up, meanwhile). To be clear, a big part of me right now wants to go to Iraq and start shooting stuff — not a particularly big or clever part of me, I realise — but I cry when I see those news reports. I almost cried when our brothers and sisters in Iraq were mentioned in the homily yesterday.

    As St Thomas Aquinas reminds us, apropos Aristotle, (somewhere in Contra Gentiles iirc) the thing about errors is not simply how they differ from the truth, but also from each other. Muslim on Muslim violence, bred out of sectarianism, will no doubt continue apace. ISIS versus everyone else, Hamas versus Hezbollah, and so on. It was interesting how within a decade or two of Luther’s theses protestants were killing each other (providing the soil in which the classical liberalism so beloved of Chesterton found its philosophical roots).

    Whatever else he’s up to, at least Pope Francis is trying some steps which are potentially beneficial towards ensuring the end of protestant on catholic hatred (and who knows, maybe protestant on protestant too?) I think I’d willingly fight alongside an evangelical ‘bible thumper’ to defend a Christian people, and I’d call him brother. I might warn him about all that ‘arm-wavy look-at-me-ism’ though, in case he hadn’t been paying attention to the camouflage and concealment instruction at training camp.

  33. “And so Israel started the cycle of hatred that is now going against Jews, most of whom have nothing to do with the terrorist state of Israel.”
    sorry but our lying eyes do work.HAMAS is a terrorist organization calling for the destruction of Israel and killing Jews.PERIOD. They are supported by every other terrorist state that surrounds Israel. There are plenty of them.They [Hamas]could have been caring for the people of Gaza had they not been using huge sums of money to build tunnels and acquire weapons.
    let me show you some videos that Hamas/Hezbollah puts out to educate their young. They’re definitely eye opening.Believe me there isn’t a shred of humanity in them. They talk people into blowing themselves up.Why would they care about protecting their own people? Not buying it pal.