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Choose neither…instead seek out the Father Lasance missal. Why? Because both the Latin & English are of equal font. It is incredibly annoying in both the Baronius and Angelus missals that the English translation is in a larger font than the actual Latin.
I owned both. The Baronius was my first and was very helpful. One day, I forgot it at home and borrowed one of my church’s extras which happened to be the Angelus. Now I am all Angelus, all the time. It fits nicely in the hand and is thoughtfully organized.
For example, in the Angelus missal the prefaces occur between the dialogue and the Sanctus, but in the Baronius you have to flip back to the beginning of the Mass.
By the way, I gave the Baronius away to a friend who didn’t have one at all.
Which ones have ALL of the prayers for the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary on the pages for August 22 without requiring you to flip somewhere else (commons, other feasts) in the missal? It really annoys me that a Mass which is, on average, celebrated 13 times a year (12 first Saturdays and Aug. 22) isn’t altogether in one place.
I have the Baronius missal. It’s nice, well constructed. I would recommend it if you have good eyesight. I don’t and I’m finding it more and more inconvenient to try to flip around and find stuff without squinting and getting lost. Of course, from what I know, the Angelus one doesn’t solve that problem either, so…
I like the Baronius Press edition very much though I do find the Angelus Press version to be a little better in terms of formatting, etc. Perhaps someday I’ll buy the Angelus version but at the moment I’m quite satified. By the way Eric (if you are indeed the Eric I know), thanks again for the missal – I use it all the time.
Father Z —
Thanks for responding to my request — your reviews and the readers’ comments have been very helpful.
Michael
I have, love, and use both*. But short of this, perhaps you can’t have it all — For me, the Angelus is better for the propers, while the Baronius is better for the ordinary of the Mass. I now prefer both of these to the older Father Lasance and St. Andrew hand missals that I used previously.
*I’ve somehow gotten in the habit of taking the Angelus to low Mass and the Baronius to high Mass.
I have both of these missals but I find the Angelus one much easier to use and more helpful as one is learning the traditional Mass. The explanations and notes in the sidebars of the Order of the Mass pages are incredible. I was anticipating the publication of the Baronius missal and promptly bought it when it was available, but now I find the Angelus missal is my definite preference.
I have had a St. Andrews missal for about 10 years now; while it could have been better bound (pages are not round and have come out from much use and I have had to protect them) and I am sure worthy of many aesthetic complaints. However, the layout, the prayers, the commentary (so instructive and edifying over the years), the explanations (even of the Liturgical Seasons from different aspects), the footnotes, the liturgical calendar, and on and on, have done so much to help me grow in my Faith and personal life (especially to overcome the negativity I felt towards certain ecclesiastics). It seems to me to have captured and expressed, to a large degree, the Spirit’s influence in personal growth which can come of the approximate 1,912 years (1945 edition, updated) of the Church (Militant, Suffering, and Triumphant). I have come to try to follow our Lord through it. I would not ever want to give it up. It would appear that the Angelus missal is closest to it. Pax Christi
I own both missals (and many more) but I use the Baronius Press missal whenever I’m attending the “old” Mass. I like its size and the way it fits in my hand when using it. I find the font size difference between English and Latin a little annoying, and the constant page flipping VERY annoying (this goes for both Baronius and Angelus). I also dislike the “old” English, but that’s a minor complaint.
Henry,
Why do you think the Baronius & Angelus missals are better than the Father Lasance missal?
Greg: Mostly because in the Ordinary of the Mass I prefer the Latin and English single-columned on facing pages (Angelus and Baronius) rather than on double-column format on the same page (Fr. Lasance). However, this is is a very subjective thing, and another person might well feel the opposite.
Otherwise I have great respect for the Father Lasance Missal, which I keep at my elbow on my reading table where I study the propers daily (having only one midweek low Mass and one Sunday high Mass available). I frequently compare translations of the proper prayers, and where there are slight differences generally find the Fr. Lasance translation more “slavishly accurate” in the WDTPRS sense.
On the other hand, for those who read the propers and readings in Latin along with the priest (and are not as near-sighted as me) it may be important that their font size in the Fr. Lasance missal is larger and more readable than in either the Angelus or the Baronius Missal.
Also, for those in a community like the ICK that uses the pre-1956 Holy Week liturgy, you will find these (preferable, in my view) rites in the Fr. Lasance missal (and in the St. Andrews) but not in the 1962 missals.
I wonder why the St. Joseph missal people don’t bring back their old missal, for the EF. I mean, they already would have the old one around in their files, and they’ve never stopped making missals; they just make them for the OF.
Probably they’re waiting for the market to get a little bigger….
Baronius Press has put out a new missal that is bigger and has larger font. It appears that they are listening to reader feedback. I plan on getting this one when I buy one. A TLM is going to start up in Brenham, TX on the 1st Sunday of Advent. It’s an hour drive, but it’s better than the bongo Masses we have here. Bishop Aymond was very gracious in seeing to it that we had something in the area. Not many priests are interested in having a TLM here.
Thanks Bp Aymond!
Henry,
So do you go to daily Mass then? Because I would imagine that if you get a taste of the Extraordinary a couple of times a week…there must be a yearning for the Extraordinary form everyday! At least in my opinion I would much prefer an Extraordinary form low Mass for daily Mass rather than the Novus Ordo. But as that is not an option here in the Arlington Diocese, I go the Novus Ordo daily.
Greg,
I’m fortunate to attend an entirely proper and reverent OF Mass Monday through Saturday mornings, in addition to the EF high Mass we’ve had in our area on Sundays for the past 3 years.
Actually, pre Summorum Pontificum it was only every other Sunday, and we yearned for weekly. Once it was weekly, we started talking about at least some weekday EF Masses.
So it was a great blessing when a single midweek evening EF low Mass was added several months ago, which some think of as a “booster” that gets them from one Sunday to the next. And weekly low and sung Masses complement each other beautifully, each offering something special of its own.
But you’re right. More just generates a desire for still more. My present goal would be a daily low Mass, the Sunday/Holy Day missa cantata, and a solemn high Mass perhaps quarterly (“live” rather than just on EWTN, which is a real blessing in itself).
As you can see from the wonderful slide show on the Knoxville web site, we’ve actually had our first solemn high Mass (since reconstruction) but we’ve already missed the quarterly target. Maybe another within a year.
I have two editions of the Saint Andrews Daily Missal, which is very handily broken into 4 volumes for ease of portability.
Henry,
I agree. It becomes difficult to switch back and forth between the Extraordinary form calendar and the Ordinary form calendar. I don’t know about you but when I attend the Extraordinary form I use a missal but the Ordinary form I never do. Attending the daily Extraordinary form allows for a deep entrance into the history of the Church and all the glorious feasts — as well as all the fasts. I don’t find this true of the Novus Ordo calendar.
Greg is right about the Father Lasance. My wife uses it and it’s great.
But I prefer the ’45 St. Andrew Daily Missal. You can also get that on one Angelus Press. It’s the most complete hand missal ever made.
The fist missal I ever used at an EF was a 1966 St Joseph Continuous Sunday Missal I’d bought for eight dollars on Ebay. It worked okay, except it didn’t have any Latin in it, so one couldn’t really “follow along” with it. I liked the fact that there was no flipping back and fourth, and agree with the previous commentator that the St. Joseph Missal people should republish an EF missal. After my first EF I bought a Barious Missal since the local Catholic Bookstore was selling them. I don’t have any experience with the Angelus, but I like the Baronius a lot and it has become my favorite prayer book even though I only get a chance to attend the EF maybe once a month or so. I find that it has a lot of nice prayers and devotions, even ones I wasn’t expecting to find in it, such as the Divine Mercy Chaplet and Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary.
It’s also very beautiful – I found the “IHS” on the cover very appealing, and the artwork inside is gorgeous. What a shame there isn’t an OF missal so appealing at this one.
Having spent multiple years creating, proofreading, and re-proofreading Sunday and Holy Day Latin/English Propers handouts, I can state unequivocally that the Fr. Lasance and St. Andrew’s missals are rife with errors. Typographical, wrong citations of scripture, erroneous repetition, etc. To a reader who has not performed this exercise, the missals may look fine, yet they are not. Further, both are pre-1955, thus certain issues such as commemorations and Holy Week are inaccurate.
The Baronius and Angelus are more accurate, but not without errors of their own. The most accurate hand missal is the Marian Missal, 1962 and 1963 editions, but even that isn’t perfect.
That being said, the Lasance and St. Andrew’s missals have impressive sections of devotional prayers.
For what it’s worth, the Baronius people are aware of the accuracy problem and have pledged to improve in a future edition.
In regard to the St. Joseph Daily Missal–my own first missal back in the 1950s–it’s been reprinted recently by St. Bonaventure Publications and is available from several sources you can locate by googling it.
This 1300-page SJDM has the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin and English but–as contrasted with the typical 2000-page “complete” daily missal–it has the propers and readings in English only.
Greg, while there isn’t a diocian Traditional Latin Mass, you can go to the 6:30 a.m. daily Mass at St. Athanasius in Vienna. Fr. Ringrose is close to the SSPX and says a wonderful Mass.
RichR,
Not sure of your exact location, but St. Mary Cathedral in Austin has:
TLM celebrated every Sunday at 3:30 p.m.
Confessions and Rosary before Mass, 3:00 p.m.
High Mass on the first Sunday of the month.
Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament following Mass on the fourth Sunday of the month
The angelus press missal is the best in my opinion, the quality is amazing.
Michael–why don\’t you get both, since you\’ll each need one? Then you can figure out if you prefer one or the other?
Anthony–is there a schola at the cathedral? (My wife and I are moving there next year.)
Way back in the early 1960s, before Vatican II, I had always coveted a full-fledged St. Andrews Missal with all the Latin propers, rather than the simplified student version. I never could afford one, but Vatican II transmogrifications made it superfluous.
Before the restoration of the Extraordinary Form, I purchased a reprint of the 1945 St. Andrews Missal and I find it a valuable historical resource. For a current Missal, the Angelus Press version is in my opinion the best thing available. The fonts are larger, the Latin font in particular is much larger than that in the Baronius, and the paper is sturdier. To support Baronius, I bought their Douay-Rheims Bible which is published in a volume similar in format to their Missal.
I believe that many reject the Angelus Press version only because of its association with the SSPX. But the SSPX in general consists of decent people to whom we Extraordinary Form people owe a great amount. Perhaps they are imperfectly led (but far less so than from our own Obama-bishops), but my hope is for quick reconciliation.
Mike
Jason,
This Mass was moved to the cathedral right after I moved to Houston. I’m not sure if they have a schola.
Info on St Mary’s can be found here:
http://www.saintmaryscathedral.org/
Another wonderful parish is St Louis King of France on Burnet Rd (approx 10 mi North of downtown). Be sure to check out the 9:30 Sunday Mass for a very reverent N.O. with an outstanding choir and organist. Fr Covington even wore black vestments for All Souls Day. Here’s their site:
http://www.st-louis.org/