Brick by brick in Cincy

In Cincinnati H.E. Most Rev. Dennis Schnurr has undertaken to establish a parish for the Extraordinary Form.

Keep in mind that parish priests don’t need permission to establish celebrations of the TLM in their parishes, but only a bishop can establish a parish!

That said, it is important to remember that the establishment of a parish does not restrict the use of the older form of Mass to that parish.

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  1. Supertradmum says:

    I hope this happens more and more. It is interesting to look at the controversy on the EF in England right now. entry for Dec. 2nd.

    Old parish in St. Joseph Mo., is now having three Latin Masses on Christmas Day. Brick by brick.

  2. HyacinthClare says:

    What a blessing it is to have your own parish! We spent five years in our very generous host church building until our EF parish could buy its own building this year. They were as kind as anybody could be to a really wierd old aunt who dressed funny, talked funny, and who had stayed WAY too long. At least that’s how we felt about it. Brick by brick, indeed.

  3. Giambattista says:

    The archbishop said in his letter that he is “deeply aware of the pastoral needs” of traditional faithful. I had to do a double-take and pinch myself to make sure I read that correctly! I haven’t heard words like that from too many Catholic bishops.

    Reading between the lines of what Fr. Z. wrote, I hope the establishment of this single parish is not an attempt to apply the now defunct Ecclesia Dei rules to a “ghetto parish”.

    I do thank Archbishop Schnurr for acknowledging that people of a traditional bent have specific pastoral needs.

  4. Gail F says:

    Giambattista: An EF parish was already formed in Dayton this year. Una Voce people have been having EF masses at a downtown church for months, but the church is already a parish with several other “special” masses (including a German language mass) and there are enough of these folks to want their own parish. According to their own announcement (below) they have been looking for a while. This particular church belonged to one of three inner-city parishes that just merged. So while it is in an inner-city location, it doesn’t seem to me to be a case of throwing a an unwanted building at unwanted people, if that’s what you mean. I would not make it my parish but I would certainly go there sometimes; I hope to head over there Sunday to take a look. I was sorry when the three parishes merged earlier this year; I hope this works out for everyone!


    Dear Friends and Supporters of the Traditional Liturgy,

    I am writing to relay some very important news concerning the future for the traditional liturgy in the Cincinnati area.

    As most of you know, Archbishop Dennis Schnurr, the new Archbishop of Cincinnati, has been very generous in establishing a traditional Latin Mass parish this past June in the city of Dayton, which is now happily growing into a thriving parish. Una Voce of Greater Cincinnati has carried on discussions with the Archbishop since that time, in which he has expressed willingness to similarly provide for Cincinnati. His Excellency has noted that this would initially require us to find a specific church to dedicate exclusively to the traditional Latin Liturgy of the Church.

    To that end, Una Voce of Greater Cincinnati has been actively searching for just such a church, with the knowledge and approval of the Archbishop. The most suitable location found was the very beautiful and traditionally-oriented St. Mark’s Church in Cincinnati, which closed earlier this year. When we mentioned this possibility to the Archbishop, he was very interested and encouraged our efforts. After several discussions, and some deliberation, His Excellency has decided to endorse our project to achieve the restoration of this church as a dedicated traditional rite parish.

    As many of you who attend Sacred Heart will remember, last year Mr. Steve Schutte spoke to a large gathering of Latin Mass attendees about what the future might hold for the traditional community at Sacred Heart. This meeting discussed the possibility of leaving Sacred Heart in order to meet the need for a church dedicated to the traditional Mass and Sacraments in Cincinnati.
    The Archbishop’s endorsement of the plan to restore St. Mark’s is a strong direction that our future lies in relocating from Sacred Heart. Una Voce, as such, is not connected with a particular church or community. However, we recognize that the faithful who attend the traditional rite in Cincinnati need a stable and permanent home for all the Sacraments and general parochial life. A restored St. Mark’s Church presents the best opportunity for such a home for the foreseeable future. Attached, you will find the letter released by Archbishop Schnurr, setting out his support of a Latin Mass parish for our region, and for encouraging donations for that purpose.

    We have established a website at, which will outline the full details of our campaign to raise funds needed to acquire and restore St. Mark’s. Our own website at will also contain future details. We will assuredly need to make sacrifices of time, money, effort and prayer, so that with the assistance of Almighty God, this opportunity for a permanent and stable home for traditional Sacramental life in the Church may be realized. We have arranged two “open house” sessions between 1 p.m. and 3 p.m. on the next two Sundays, December 5 and 12, which will be convenient for those who have just attended Mass at Sacred Heart. Refreshments will be available in the church basement. Please come, and encourage anyone you know who may be interested to do so.

    Please feel free to email me with any questions you may have about this project. I will work to answer all of your questions and concerns, with the help of the other Officers of our chapter. Please continue to pray for a traditional parish in Cincinnati.

    Una Voce of Greater Cincinnati, Inc.

  5. EoinOBolguidhir says:

    He’s pulling a Rev. Frank Phillips maneuver and saving a really beautiful edifice. Cheers all around. Cincinnati is a funny place. It is very conservative, but the archdiocese leaves a HUGE VOID in response to the desire for the TLM. It was held, almost begrudginly, at an old downtown parish with limited parking, Old St. Mary’s, and then abandoned. The result is parishes of both the SSPX, AND the SSPV for those to whom the SSPX is too liberal (the SSPV chapel is fairly close to St. Mark’s), and one more that I’m not even sure to whom it belongs. PLUS the SSPX also has a school and priory there. But despite all of this, there is still so little support from the Archdiocese, and all the while souls are jeopardized by their being forced into the arms of the schismatics. Hopefully, this is a first step towards putting things rite.

    In Mount Carmel Cemetary outside of Chicago, former Cincinnati Archbishop Bernadin, perhaps, just did a little spin in his grave.

  6. Golatin5048 says:

    Yay for my archbishop!

    But, I will ask for all of your prayers for him. The people of Dayton,(Where the parish is to be established), are not happy with this, as they have shown in our Diocese paper.(I.E, Vatican 2 said this, going back to the dark ages etc.)

    As EoinOBolguidhir said, our archdiocese is mostly conservative.( Except down in Cinci. The north is really conservative).

    Hopefully, he might want the seminarians to learn the older form of the mass. We are praying for that.

  7. Thanks f0r the link, Father.

    The people of Dayton,(Where the parish is to be established)

    The people of Dayton already have a Latin Mass community (Holy Family parish) also established with the blessing and encouragement of Archbishop Schnurr; St. Mark’s is in Cincinnati.

  8. RichR says:

    That said, it is important to remember that the establishment of a parish does not restrict the use of the older form of Mass to that parish.

    Does it restrict the use of the EF within that parish (by custom or by law)?

  9. Golatin5048 says:

    Rich Leonardi ,
    Sorry, thought it was up in the town up here.

  10. Brian2 says:

    I always called it ‘the Nati’ instead of ‘Cincy’ when abbreviating it. If you have seen what passes for chili there, you know why.

  11. doozer125 says:

    Just went to the website set up for St Marks…WOW! What a beautiful church…If ever there was a church that needed saving that is one. God Bless the parish!

  12. Una Voce of Greater Cincinnati says:

    Father, thank you so much for posting on our prospect of a new Extraordinary Form parish. We are greatly in need of help, and especially with spreading the word about this possibility.

    His Excellency has offered to create such a parish, and is working with us very graciously to enable it to happen. However, it is our responsibility to raise the funds to acquire the beneficial ownership of the church from the consolidated parish to which it now belongs, and to show that we can restore it. The acquisition price will be a considerable sum, and the restoration work that is needed will cost more still. St. Mark’s is a church of remarkable beauty and architectural merit, and its design is profoundly liturgical. However, it is functioning with its original electrical system from 1914, and is in need of various other repairs.

  13. Lucas says:

    That St Mark’s is a gorgeous church!

    It saddens me that churches like that close, while other more uglier churches stay open and thrive.

  14. Most Cincinnati churches are actually pretty good-looking, except the really new ones way out in the way out suburbs.

  15. TJerome says:

    It’s truly a magnificent Church that fortunately was “Voskoized” during the “reform” years. I wish these folks the best. Cincinatti is the home of many gorgeous Catholic Churches

  16. TJerome says:

    I meant to say “wasn’t Voskoized”

  17. kradcliffe says:

    AFAIK, Old Saint Mary’s in Over-the-Rhine does the Ordinary Form in Latin (as well as English and German). It’s Sacred Heart, on the West side of I75 that has had the EF Mass for years. I think that community will really welcome their own parish, but I think it’s a sad thing for Sacred Heart, which has such a history in Cincinnati.

    I was really thrilled to hear the gracious and enthusiastic language used by the Archbishop in his letter. Cincinnati is a wonderful place to be a Catholic.

  18. Una Voce of Greater Cincinnati says:

    Old St. Mary’s does indeed have a sung Ordinary Form Latin Mass on Sundays at 9.15 a.m.

    However, it also has a Low Mass in the traditional use at 7.15 a.m. daily from Monday to Saturday, and sung Vespers and Benediction in the traditional use on Sundays at 4 p.m.

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