Let’s hear a little bit of what the Nuns of the LCWR will hear during their assembly.
Here is a video of their chosen and honored keynote speaker: Barbara Marx Hubbard.
Try to get through this. Seriously. It is a real education in NunThink.
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WOW. Just… WOW.
Snake oil.
Gosh… I wonder why the CDF would be concerned about the LCWR.
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“I don’t want to die and go to a static heaven.”
If she’s not careful, she might just get her wish.
Love the Word On Fire aesthetic of the video. Really lends credibility to this insane psycho-babble, doesn’t it?
I actually feel sorry for the nuns. I guess I always just kind of figured they were just self-important secularized liberals who couldn’t hack leaving their orders and actually working for a living. But if they think this lady is worth listening to, they’re actually just nuts.
This is really like listening to a stoner rambling on about the universe mannn woahhhh.
Who knew that dementia could mimic the signs of drug use?
Enviro-gnosticism?
In Christ,
I got as far as the first seconds and being part of the planetary body and that was enough for me!
She is 82? Well under her hero(obama) and his “health” care system, I am sorry–no treatment for you. You have had a long life and your llife expectancy is not long now and the funds are going to g to a 30 year old who wants to change genders and an 18 year old who wants to be sterilized.
This is far thinner stuff than snake oil.
If she has just realized that she was a baby in the womb until she was 82, I take it she is now pro-life? Yes? …. No? … Really? …. Oh, well.
Evolution. Hmmm. Have they heard of “evolutionary dead end”?
I went crossed eyed 3 minutes in and felt a tightness in my chest at 6 minutes. I don’t even know what she was talking about. Star Trek at some point and a dinosaur maybe?
Let us be sure and say an extra prayer for these orders that they get their acts together.
wait…she even claims to be a gnostic? Shouldn’t that have been the end to the conversation?
“If there is other life in the universe and we have a role at the universal level, it’s not going to be in carbon-based-mammalian bodies”
She’s gone beyond Jesus alright…beyond Jesus, beyond sanity…these are the ramblings of an insane person…insane…not of sound mind
Interesting, but nothing that hasn’t been dealt with in Irenaeus’s “Against Heresies”.
Wow! What a “Space-cadet”. Somebody should have sent her on the shot to Mars. And they say guns are dangerous.
May she enjoy the beatific vision sooner rather than later.
La la la la la la la.
Also, what’s the very annoying music got to do with it?
Regenopause or Alzheimer’s? Seriously, someone in my family had Alzheimer’s and one of the symptoms was reverting back to their childhood. They thought they were a child again.
Schizoid. Possible pre-schizophrenic. Also post-Star Trek syndrome.
Was her planetary progenitor Karl. Her cosmic husband L. Ron?
She talks of incoherency. She’s a perfect example of it.
New Age, if I ever heard of it.
She talks of suffering, meaning of suffering and what emerges from the suffering.
Has she ever taken a good look at the Crucifix ? THERE is where she’ll find the meaning and what emerges from suffering. Is the crucifix going to be what the LCWR nuns will garnish from this woman?.or some sort of “transcendent” emergence into outer space. which is where all this mumbo jumbo will lead them to.
And this woman is OK’d as a keynote speaker and Archbishop’s Sartain’s offer to attend was refused?
YIKES
I thought at first tat this woman was a nun, but I gather she is just going to address nuns. The only slight reference to religion was Teilhard de Chardin whose views were notoriously bogus and heretical. She certainly has some strange ideas and seems convinced that she and her ilk are capable of changing whatever-it-is. Rebirth and the chosen ones: able to reform evolution. Doesn’t want to die and go to a static heaven (with or without God).
Here is a highly intelligent woman whose views could be considered unhinged but within her New-Age sphere probably are much admired. He isn’t insane, just deeply misguided. She is a post-Christian, post-Earth, post-Being.
I am astonished that she has anything at all that a good nun would wish to hear without becoming seriously separated from the Faith. There is not one shred of spirituality or recognition of a deity at all in anything she says: co-Creationist, but with whom? Ah well, it will keep the sisters away from the evils of the “man-centred Church,” as one old nun described it. No wonder they have no vocations.
“I’m thresholding”…”I feel as though I’m on planetary timing”, seriously? This is so sad.
??????????? is the best construction of what she was putting out. How you could stand to be trapped in your head with these thoughts beggars the imagination. I actually feel sorry for her.
Oh la la la, I need a cup of tea and a phosphatidylserine pill!
Barbara Marx Hubbard is ready to start a “new religion” out with Scientology in with the Universal Evolutionary Consciousness. Cool.
Universal Consciousness+Evolutionary Eyes=degree of Coherence=0
Are we sure she is not on an exchange program with Rover?
I think it’s something like…birth, cosmosis, crisisology, ego centrality, supraconnectivity, cosmetology, cloudissentary, polymorphing, post-thresholding, and crustacianism…or something.
barbarízein . Original post doesn’t take Greek font.
Hey Jon Stewart, I got some material for you.
“[W]hen a Catholic declares, ‘Christ is God’, he means just what he says. A Modernist, in using the same words, might mean, ‘in meeting Christ, or belonging to the community that he founded, one experiences the presence of the divine’. Again, if a Catholic says, ‘Christ was born of a Virgin’, he means exactly that. If a Modernist said it, he might mean ‘in contemplating Christ, one has a sense of radical newness, of something without a fully satisfying natural explanation’.
It will be seen at once that Modernism is essentially foggy. Whereas the Catholic creed consists of statements that are simple enough for a child to understand – for God Himself is simple – Modernism thrives on ambiguity and unclarity (Belloc said that Maude Petre, an English Modernist, had written a book to prove that God was not a Person but a Vagueness.)”
– A Meditation on Modernism by Fr. Thomas Crean O.P.
I’m surprised PBS hasn’t given her a show of her own. She is even worse than Wayne Dyer and Joseph Campbell.
Makes Timothy Leary look and sound like Thomas Aquinas.
New age cowflop.
I’m really curious what the Vatican will do after this assembly. I think this poor old hag is right: there is a birth about to happen…a new “religion” made of aging ex-nuns.
How sad. I hope her, and the new age nuns, will find Jesus on their death bed and a good priest will be there to bring her back into the fold. They must have loved Him (and only Him) at some point in their lives, no?
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2011/03/182-barbara-marx-hubbard.html
They include some Catholics in the loony-bin, but this one was too funny to pass up!
“there is this overall coherence to the universe, a cohesiveness” YEAH! Catholics call Him God Almighty! NOT “akaka” or whatever your own personal wormwood is whispering to you about some female deity. at about 4min 4 sec i started to feel like i was being sucked into a black hole and all i could think was the ending line of the Novena to Our Lady of Perpetual Help ” O Mary, help me, Mother of Perpetual Succor, suffer me not to lose my God. Amen. ” she’s 81 Heaven help her
With her constant laughing at her own profundities, she reminds me of Tom Cruise in his notorious Scientology promo, and almost as creepy.
She gives new meaning to “parturiunt montes, nascetur ridiculus mus”.
St. Ireneaus quotes stuff similar to this when describing Gnostic ramblings. Truly there is nothing new under the sun. I shall not give vent to the uncharitable thoughts to which her witless witterings give rise, but how anyone who has three brain cells which work simultaneously can take any of this seriously, is beyond me.
It is a good job you are Fr. Z, because from anyone else I would think this a far-out parody – that it is from you means it is the truth – and frankly, that is scary.
“I don’t want to just turn to dust.” Well. Ahem. Good luck with that… I think she’s already there.
‘Try to get through this’ writes Fr Z. Sorry – had to give up before I had even watched 3 minutes. What a load of psychobabble rubbish. I fail to understand why any nuns would invite this lady to speak to them.
Michael_Thoma, there are too many good people in the list to give that site much thought. For one thing, it is apparent that being opposed to same-sex unions make you a loon. Fail.
Classic example of what ingesting bad dope in the 60’s can do to the mind long term…..her being a space cadet wouldn’t be of any concern except for all the harm she is doing to the salvation of souls.
…also, it appears that if you assert that evolution is only a theory (which it is, last time I checked), then you will be classified a loon. Or if you champion Catholic teachings, which puts William Donoghue on the list. Looking at the laundry list of things which will qualify one for inclusion, I’d say the compilers of the list are the chief loons.
Seriously, how is this different from the babble from the Heaven’s Gate crowd? I’m honestly convinced that LCWR is beyond reform and may be seeking a solution in kool-aid.
This is the same Barbara Marx Hubbard who was considered for the VP slot for the Democrats in 1984. Her speech to the convention floor is, well, not surprising.
Go on, take a look: http://youtu.be/D1FWXm-8FGs
This lady is nuttier than squirrel poo
also, it appears that if you assert that evolution is only a theory (which it is, last time I checked), then you will be classified a loon.
Careful there. A theory, as part of the scientific method, is quite different from its colloquial meaning. Writing off evolution as “only a theory” is where you get into trouble. To get to the “theory” stage, it needs to be confirmed by experimentation. It’s not just a conjectured idea.
Can I just say that this woman is nuts? If I hear one more of these people talking about “liberating themselves,” giving birth to the self, becoming aware of self, I’ll scream.
One of the very few things Christ says about self is, “dying to self.” Where’s that theology in this garbage?
I’m guessing that the LCWR is hitching a ride onto this crazytrain because she offers some
sort of rationalization, however feeble, for the havoc the sisters have created in their
respective congregations: “Hey! We haven’t killed off our orders! It just looks that way!
Our leadership and stewardship has been a huge success! We’re ‘thresholding’, not stepping
off a cliff! All this wreckage, the bare, ruined convents– we meant to do that, it’s all part of
our superevolved plan! We shouldn’t be blamed, we should be congratulated!”
I don’t think these broads can be helped. The CDF’s investigation was their last good chance,
but they’re just doubling down and fastening their seat belts on the crazytrain, taking it to the very last stop.
Wait there’s more! did you know that— “Barbara Marx Hubbard has been called “the voice for conscious evolution of our time” by Deepak Chopra and is the subject of Neale Donald Walsch’s new book “The Mother of Invention.” the possibilities are endless. she has a website and a blog…absolutely surreal.
It isn’t very kind to publish a video of someone having an age-related psychotic ramble. Nor is it kind to give the elderly hallucinogenic drugs. This is what happens when people are convinced that they are a little bit smarter and more enlightened than everyone else, yet no one has the courage to tell them that they are babbling nonsense that is incoherent at EVERY level.
So… when almost all life on Earth had been extinguished by at least two cataclysms, what exactly was this “organism” Earth doing? Were dinosaurs a baby phase that Earth grew out of and then violently snuffed out?
Teilhardism, New-Age-ism, and Gnosticism combined! Plus some sci-fi! What more could you ask for? Wow!!! indeed. Too bad the nuns couldn’t find a speaker known for Christian themes.
AndyMo: I did not assert otherwise. But there are still unresolved questions in the theory, which is another error commonly overlooked. It is more than an hypothesis, and not yet established fact.
“Makes Timothy Leary look and sound like Thomas Aquinas.”
Good one. Thanks for the LOL.
Somebody did waaaay too many hallucinogens in the 60’s and it wasn’t me.
I have to wonder if each woman in the audience is thinking to herself, “Am I the only one who doesn’t understand what she’s saying? Everyone else seems to get it so I better pretend I do, too.”
On further reflection, it’s the only move available to the LCWR much like the Obama campaign that they are banging the djembe for. Obama has by and large alienated the center, so lately he’s been shoring up the moonbat vote. Likewise, the LCWR puts together a keynote like this with wrath because they know the time is short. Might as well drop the charade.
Hmm, a “Co-creative Universal Species!” Like on Fringe, “…a human flying porcupine hybrid”?
AndyMo, wmeyer:
The discussion on evolution all centers around what precisely you’re talking about when you say, ‘evolution.’
If by it you mean natural changes on the horizontal level, or whereby organisms lose complexity through mutations, then these are observable facts. And this fits in with our faith and the Creation account of Genesis.
If however you mean it to refer to the macro-evolutionary philosophy of origins where organisms magically gain complexity to become things other than what they are, going from nothing to something to energy to matter to organisms to simple cells to fish to amphibians to reptiles to birds to mammals to human beings to Old Mother Hubbard here, then you are subscribing to an unscientific fairy tale. This has never been observed, there is no experimental recreation for it whereby it would be asking for the impossible anyway, and it would be embarassing to even give it the dignity of referring to it as even a ‘hypothesis.’ It is an atheist materialist’s fable for why anything exists. It contradicts their own high faluted misguided attempts to write off the miraculous by itself invoking miracles and defying established scientific laws.
There is no reason to take it seriously nor to compromise our faith with such rubbish.
According to today’s Wall Street Journal article about this LCWR conference, the Vatican report which followed its four-year review of the LCWR cited the keynote address given at its 2007 conference by Sister Laurie Brink, a New Testament professor at Catholic Theological Union in Chicago. In her address she claimed that a dynamic religious life “involves moving beyond the Church, even beyond Jesus.”
What’s the old saying….“If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with …………”
I got to 3 minutes in before my stomach started to turn… Akasha???? really??? The nuns, let alone this woman, are truly in big trouble here. Such a shame……………..
I watched the whole thing hoping to get a coherent idea, but what I realized at the end was that I have never listened to that much rambling with no idea of what was said. How does she do that?
Barbara Marx Hubbard, in her reflections on 2012 and “New Beginnings”, projects an image of joy and happiness based on her newly discovered personal experiences. In her reflections, she makes the comment: “I don’t want to die and turn to dust”, essentially rejecting Genesis 3:19.
Her ramblings deserve a rebuttal and for that, I immediately thought of Ecclesiastes 1:10 – “Even the thing of which we say, “See, this is new!” has already existed in the ages that preceded us.” I would encourage Barbara to revisit Mark 8:35-36.
Having read the comments, I am kind of happy that YouTube is blocked here at work.
I got through 2:39 of it, and the planetary body, radical new birth, hallucinogenic hippie-speech was just too much for me. This is not Christianity or even recognizable as something remotely Christian-like.
Sorry Fr. Z. realised at 3 mins my mind was going. Blub… blub… blub. Had to switch off. My head hurts
Remember our mothers said that if we couldn’t say something nice- sooo,..”she seems very nice”.Acknowledge their feelings..”she seems to feel very good about what she’s saying.” Personal assessment:” just a few decades short of a rosary” ( guess I should go say those for her :)
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This is an example of many things that basically call into question the judgment of the various people, publishers, and institutions that have and continue to give these particular nuns backing and cover over the years, the places that have promoted them, often subjecting innocent students to their “theology” and parishes and “Catholic” publications that promote them as worthy mentors for young Catholics. Something like this really makes me wonder about their negligence as well as the overt deeds of the nuns themselves.
slaveofmary,
Thanks for that great excerpt. Right on the money.
Father, why don’t we get a group of orthodox teachers on the outside of the hotel giving a mini-series on Jesus Christ the Bearer of the Water of Life piggy-backed with Vita Consecrata?
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
and http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_25031996_vita-consecrata_en.html
If she’s “evolved,” she hasn’t gotten very far…this is plain old Jung. (And nowhere near as Catholic as Teilhard de Chardin.) I wonder how influential the LCWR really is.
My dog was snoozing peacefully until she heard the music start to play. She perked her ears up at attention…then promptly walked away when Ms Hubbard started talking. It was a sign from dog to shut that video off. I think I stopped it at the “inner child” nonsense.
“I’m just a cell in a planetary body”?!!?
Pantheism + “I want, I wish, I think…I, I, I”
This is the part where my brain attempts to divide by zero. This so-called nun needs to get off the infernal bong immediately. That or see a psychiatrist. Or all of the above AND go to Confession.
AD IESV PER MARIA,
Filipino Catholic.
From an old post at Transterrstrial Musings, he is writing about the success of the surge in Iraq, and its effect on journalists. Some examples: “At the entrance the doctors, assisted by editors, are performing triage. (Placing the injured) in three categories: those who can be quickly bandaged up with some minor counseling and facts, and sent back to the front; those who continue to pontificate under the burden of so much maleducation and inability to think, and so many wrong ideas, broken syllogisms, and inappropriate conclusions…” And this gem, pertinent to the video above: “”Now Sunera, let’s try this again. All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore…?”
Sunera frowns, and sweat appears on her forehead. Hesitantly, she ventures, “Therefore…Socrates is the basis of male-centered western patriarchal violence that continues to brutalize women and grind them under its bootheels…?”
“No, Sunera,” the therapist explains patiently. “We’re practicing logic here. Lo-gic. ” Heh.
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You do not want to play fizbin with Barbara Marx Hubbard for money. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v77SF4TFUoM
It’s nothing but noise — words just keep coming and they make no sense. What the heck is she talking about? I don’t think she even knows, that’s why she has that little nervous laugh.
Honestly, it is a sorry state of affairs when these nuns try to convince us it’s the CDF that’s crazy.
I’m sorry, and I don’t want to offend anyone here, but…WTF?!!?
The LCWR would do well to simply replace this keynote with a rosary for pro-life. It’s the culture of death that is impairing our collective consciousness as evolutionary planetary beings or whatever the heck Barbara Marx Hubbard is talking about. Off the top of my head I can think of about a dozen accomplished Catholic women leaders who could speak admirably and intelligently on the topic of solidarity with the prolife movement and who could propose concrete steps that could be taken “collectively”. Why didn’t the LCWR simply invite one of these accomplished prolife Catholics to speak at their meeting?
“For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.” Matthew 13:15
The Lord wasn’t just whistling Dixie when He said that!
Nevertheless, this is probably pretty close to standard fare at most colleges and universities, “Catholic” or otherwise. It’s like Pig Latin; only the kids know what the babel is about, or not about.
Does this evolutionary/planetary alignment shpiel ring a bell?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqSZhwu1Rwo
I think it is all quite dangerous for Catholics to actually invest anything into this woman’s nonsensical ideas.
Just incoherent New Age junk . I ouldn’t watch more than a minute.
Her babbling reminds me of Prof. Weston in C.S. Lewis’ Perelandra.
Did someone slip a little LSD into her soup? Ohhhh my. Bye bye LCWR and good riddence.
Remember that ad of an egg in a frying pan with the voice saying “This is your brain on drugs”?
Forget that ad as being anything worthy in trying to educate teens to not do drugs; Just show people this woman’s video and the rehab clinics will have folks lining up around the block just to get in!
Father Z. I now have something in common with St. Peter. I would think that I am so appreciative of you, and so fond of you, that I would walk on hot coals, but I could not get past 5:21 on this video. I’d rather be waterboarded I think.
This is a beautiful lady, and vibrant at 81, probably intelligent, but wow, I can’t recall hearing such gobbledygook, except in my professional life, from someone with a serious brain injury. I am not suggesting this lady has one, but the endless flow of almost meaningless but somewhat related jargon full of other-worldly references, my head spins. I literally could not get past 5:21, and I wanted to because you asked.
If this is what these nuns are about, they are wacked, and I hope more than ever someone pulls that plug. I have no idea what these poor ladies are going to do at this point in life, but IMHO it ought not be sanctioned by the church, facilitating spreading such drivel and nonsense to the gullible masses.
Now and then something comes along and you have to reset your orientation about the world. I’ve just been reset, because as kooky as I knew some nuns were, I never dreamed it went this far!
I shall now read what my blog pals have to say about such a matter, and gather a little wisdom and humor before I retire.
@ Supertradmum
Fr Z posted that we to watch it. I wasting my ice cream and was just saying what … what .. . what then I read the comments. It was funny at the beginning until I read the link you posted. Vatican has a document on this – then it is serious.
The link was twitted by USCCB by Cardinal Dolan — I reponded the twitt with Align with Rome …
http://blog.archny.org/index.php/love-and-gratitude-for-the-sisters/
From the Fishwrap:
Yes! No! Yes! No! Yes! No! Yes! No!
Read it here
Adding to Supertradmum’s recommendation of the Vatican document “Jesus Christ the Bearer of the Water of Life” , I also suggest reading the CDF’s document “Letter to Bishops on Certain Aspects of Christian Meditation”, 1989.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFMED.HTM
I can see how this would appeal to a group who, feeling embarrassed at the “quaint” Catholic faith, had mangled the faith into something acceptable to their worldly peers/fellow academics. “Look – Catholicism – it’s not all rosaries and churchy stuff… it’s really a social justice gaia cyber thing, really, whatever it takes, I’m hip and stuff…can I come to the cocktail party?”
They married themselves to the popular culture. And it’s a popular culture which doesn’t view old people as relevant at all. SO – the blabber in the video seems like a desperate play for relevancy…by way of odd threat of cosmic super powers or something. Kinda witchy actually.
What the h…
Makes me want to crawl back into my Cosmic Egg with my carbon-based mammalian body.
I went for the full 13 minutes. Every time after she comes out with her most entirely senseless utterances, she chuckles as though she some great discovery had just occurred to her. I’m not sure if I’d be able to explain anything she said.
That was torture. Do we get something for making it through?
Torture-guess I must be week or just impatient-watch the entire thing-not possible-too much suffering for me to listen to the blah, blah, blah—only after watching one minute I entered a new cosmos where there are no periods or full sentenced—-
Couldn’t do it – 2.46 that was all I could take…..so sorry for these people. I pray they can get over themselves and find God again – very soon!
What this woman is saying essentially is that we don’t need to rely on ‘gods’ to perfect ourselves, we can ‘go it alone’. This argument won Eve over and was pushed by Hitler (Aryanism) and Stalin (The New, Socialist Man). The emperor has the same old clothes.
Is there a partial or plenary indulgence attached to the watching of this video?
I thought one of the comments from the CDF was that the speakers at the LCWR events required Bishop approval. Are these women just looking for more disciplinary action? This woman’s talk sounds like something from a Scientology lesson and has no place at a conference for Catholic women religious.
HaHaHa! This lady is nuts. I shared this with several people and they were blown away. This lady is speaking to the nuns?!?!
She brought her younger-conscience self to the 1984 National Democratic Convention, when she got a nearly 10-minute slot. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1FWXm-8FGs&feature=related (She begins at 2:27. I love the reaction at 3:38).
What this woman is saying essentially is that we don’t need to rely on ‘gods’ to perfect ourselves, we can ‘go it alone’.
I believe you have distilled it to its essence. This is Humanist Manifesto II with spiritual window dressing. (See Hitchcock’s What is Secular Humanism?) Or as I like to say, secular leftism running around in Catholic drag.
Apostacy is not heresy. “Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teaching.” -Hebrews 13:9
It’s like David St. Hubbin’s girlfriend (think Spinal Tap) as an 81-year-old.
This is a direct quote from Barbara Marx Hubbard, one of the principal proponents of the New Age religion: “Out of the full spectrum of human personality… one-fourth is destructive… They are defective seeds… In the past they were permitted to die a ‘natural death.’ the elders the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body . Fortunately, you… are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God’s selection process for Death… We come to bring death… The riders of the pale horse are about to pass among you. Grim reapers, they will separate the wheat from the chaff. This is the most painful period in the history of humanity.” Source: The Book of Co-Creation: The Revelation Alternative to Armageddon, Part III ManuscriptThe Revelation: A Message of Hope for the New Millenium. Hubbard was speaking about Christians as being the one-fourth who is defective and must be eliminated. Alice Baily, founder of the Lucis Trust, also wrote of the need to send the Christians to another dimension since they would not accept the luciferic initiation that was required to enter the New Age. It appears that these LCWR leaders are signaling that they are working for the other side.
She and Nancy Pelosi sound alike in many ways – same giggles, way of smiling, voice meter, and babel.
It’s like David St. Hubbin’s girlfriend (think Spinal Tap) as an 81-year-old.
Ouch! Maybe she’ll ask the guy recording the speech to be sure to record it in “Dubly”. :D
So, because of this post, I find myself singing Ozzy’s “Crazy Train” while I fold the laundry. And yes, I know all the words.
I just hope whatever she says at the conference is recorded for evidence. In Texas, we say it’s “givin’ ’em enough rope to hang themselves.”
I don’t think this woman is snake oil. She is more interesting than Chittister etc who are normal liberals. Barbara Hubbard gives (it seems to me) an account of a long line of thinking from Lucretius to Spinoza to modern biology. But instead of asking us to be resigned to science and evolution she offers a spirituality for being within it. Not far from the temptations of the Templeton Foundation, say. As Catholics we should pray to be able to answer this challenge, especially since a not inconsiderable amount of what she says is compatible with some ontologies and some of the metaphysics of neo, stress neo scholasticism. Barbara Marx Hubbard is not just a liberal or just wacko like NCO; this long line of thinking science will have to be answered theologically. May I recommend the lecture of Jean-Luc Marion, an old friend of the theologian Joseph Ratzinger. He walked into the lion’s den at Georgetown last year and gave a talk which is on the Georgetown (Berkeley Institute?) website.
Yesterday I watched CSpan for a while and heard a ver liberal evangelical, an episcopal Canoness, and one of the Nuns on the Bus. What they were calling for to be enshrined in the new Democratic Party platfrom was this same kind of social activism ; Frankly I cannot understand how thses “NUNS” are still considered communicant members of the Roman Catholic Church. They really should be in the Episcopal Church.
Father, I couldn’t watch the whole thing in one sitting. I had to get up and make a tin foil hat to avoid getting brainwashed by this alien being.
Father, why expose this dead old lady to ridicule? You, you, you…. homoprogressophobe you!
(dear, not dead. My bad).
..And they intend to pay this woman to be a keynote speaker.
Ouch.
It’d be much cheaper to hold a conference session at 11 PM and tune in Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. They’d hear quite similar material that’d make about as much sense.
Evolutionary process indeed!
The piano music in this video was kind of nice, but it was hard to listen to it because there was an annoying woman talking the whole time.
Someone should give her Charlie Brown’s advice: “Stop the music. We’re going to do this, and we’re going to do it right.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G8XH4WDxP4
Is she related to L. Ron Hubbard by any chance?
She looks like a sweet old gal to me but what she says sounds awful. Is she really going to speak to the Nuns?
Scientology blows your brains up with its ‘dianetics’ too.
My ex Father in Law hung himself not long after ‘looking at’ Scientology some years ago.
He was a University Lecturer and I think he looked at it to see why some of the students were being drawn to it, not because he was searching for himself.
I still think these things can twist your mind though.
I avoid these things like the plague.
I watched the whole thing. I laughed..I cried (for all of them.) It’s really scary, especially the look in her eyes. Keynote speaker?! If the sisters think this is cooperating, then my preschooler knows more about the Catholic Faith.
I haven’t read through all of the comments yet, so forgive me if I am repeating another post (or stating the obvious), but this is so very Western. So many Americans/Western Europeans are into all these fluffy, happy, believe-what-you-want-and-therefore-it’s-true kind of… umm… theologies? And, of course, since we disagree, we must be consumed with hate.
It’s kinda hard for me to hate when I’m doubled over with laughter…
I guess it beats hanging over the Lake Street bridge in Minneapolis protesting whatever, Viet Nam is a biggie with the St. Joseph sisters. I wonder if she could speak hanging upside down.
“The Emperor’s New Clothes”
I had to pause the video at 1:24 (only a few seconds into her talk) and cover my mouth so that I would not laugh so loudly that the entire office would hear me. WOW. The CDF comes to visit, and this is the crap you’re parading around on display? The LCWR deserves what’s coming.
There was a program about St. Irenaeus last night on EWTN, and this video kept me thinking of what the saint had to say about this type of thinking. I, I, I, me, me, I chose, it’s all about me and my ascent, blah blah. Ain’t nothin’ new under the sun. It’s a shame that the nuns have traded the wisdom and intellectual treasures of the church for this nonsense. My eyes started to glaze over pretty early on.
I lasted for 2minutes 54, and no matter how much I tried I just had to end this clip. Unbelievable!!
You should check out the comments on that video….the person who posted it (OneNews…or whatever it is wrote the following:
“Wow.? All the recent comments seem to be slavishly inaccurate liturgical translations & frank commentary on Catholic issues by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf. Thanks for viewing.”
LOL. I think we’ve made a splash, folks. Hilarious.
I think she was married to one of the Marx brothers…actually two of them. First Harpo and then Groucho! This would surely explain things! Eventually she had enough of the two of them and
then married the guy that invented that outer space telescope and spent too much time looking through the wrong end. Surely she deserves pity more than derision with her history! The LCWR
is doing her a grave disservice encouraging her in her madness! It’s just difficult for them
to distinguish her from one of them. What a screwy mess . But we can blame it all on the Marx
brothers, believe me! The less the Vatican has to do with them the better off we all will be. If fact it would be smart for the Church to pretend they never knew them! The connection simply never existed. Any similarity between them and Catholicism should be easy to deny.
“I think she was married to one of the Marx brothers”
You may have her confused with Barbara Marx Sinatra, Frank Sinatra’s fourth (and last) wife, who actually WAS married to Zeppo Marx from 1959 to 1973. This woman definitely ain’t her. Yes, being married to The Chairman of the Board might drive some women nuts, but not THIS nuts.
This is what happens when you cross Karl Marx with L. Ron Hubbard . . . .
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@Bookworm….Some of us have a little trouble with recognizing sardonic humor! I do know the
difference between Barbara Marx Sinatra …and this looney tune! I was just having some serious fun, ya know what I mean? This whole thing is a flight from reality that we are on. Imagine the poor Bishops assigned to straighten this out…like trying to hang a roll of wallpaper with both hands tied behind your back …IN THE DARK! I mean, little Bookieworm, start saying your bestest prayers because the whole planet is about to implode with nuttiness!
She seems to think quite highly of herself. I wonder if she is on some sort of microcosmic coherence level in the everyhere with Usain Bolt.