“Behold, He is in the inner chambers” – Blasphemy and Obama

I read a story about some dopey “comedian” who called Pres. Obama our “lord and savior”.  He said exactly, …

First of all, give an honor to our God and our lord and savior, Barack Obama. Barack Obama.

This was not in the context of a stage routine.  Foxx said this during the BET network’s promotions for the Soul Train Awards.

Pres. Obama, The First Gay President, the most aggressive pro-abortion politician we have seen, the man who endorsed infanticide as a state senator, the man who through his mandarins attacks the Church and undermines our civil liberties….

Now I see at the site of The Catholic League that an artist named Michael D’Antuono, apparently into racial imagery, painted this, which is entitled “The Truth”:


Last Sunday I sang this in the Gospel:

At that time, Jesus said to His disciples: When you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place – let him who reads understand – then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything from his house; and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. But woe to those who are with child, or have infants at the breast in those days! But pray that your flight may not be in the winter, or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, nor will be. And unless those days had been shortened, no living creature would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. Then if anyone say to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise, and will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told it to you beforehand. If therefore they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the desert,’ do not go forth; ‘Behold, He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes forth from the east and shines even to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the body is, there will the eagles be gathered together. But immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with great power and majesty. And He will send forth His angels with a trumpet and a great sound, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Now from the fig tree learn this parable. When its branch is now tender, and the leaves break forth, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, know that it is near, even at the door. Amen I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things have been accomplished. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

I have occasionally quipped here that during Obama’s third term, men like me will be hunted down and dealt with.

I am not seeing anything to the contrary.

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  1. happyCatholic says:

    Such dark times! Just saw “Skyfall” after watching Father Barron’s analysis of it, including the use of the priest hole as an escape. Are those dark times upon us again? If so, I stand with our dear priests and our little place out in the country is at their service. W stand in dire need of our Confirmation graces! I grew up reading saint stories and especially when reading of the early martyrs, would wonder if I could measure up and was afraid I could not. Sigh. It is looking like Catholics who did not expect to might be put to that test after all. May God sustain us all.

  2. LisaP. says:

    I watched that clip thee times, I was so sure it must be a joke, something?! I seriously don’t understand what was in Fox’s head, was he baiting? Trying to be metaphorical? Nothing fits. And they televised it.

  3. wmeyer says:

    I have occasionally quipped here that during Obama’s third term, men like me will be hunted down and dealt with.

    There are many who seem unable to imagine that Obama will have a third term. The groundwork has been laid. There have been many challenges to the 22nd amendment, and that is one possibility. However, if spending is not curtailed, and the Fed is not reined in, there will be an economic collapse; I see no way around it. A collapse of our economy will bring down Europe’s already precarious economy, and Canada, being tied so closely to our economy will lag by minutes. Similarly Japan.

    After a world economic collapse–and that is what it will be, as China’s markets will be broke–can anyone doubt the imposition of martial law? Or the suspension of free elections, pending the resolution of this “emergency”?

    Yes, Father, you will be an enemy of the state, as will we all, to greater or lesser degree. Cardinal George’s statement was also prophetic.

  4. DisturbedMary says:

    Lord let me not worry now about the scary possibiities to come. Let me trust that You will give me the grace I need to remain faithful in that future time.

  5. Laura98 says:

    I saw that clip on television yesterday, and my jaw literally dropped. I could not believe it. And the audience cheered for that man! I couldn’t believe that either. Yes, I know I should not be so shocked any longer… but I was. It made me sick… Lord Jesus, help us in these troubling times, and help these lost souls see the Truth!

  6. Flambeaux says:

    Okay. We’re doomed. I get it.
    Misery and suffering in this life. The people not silly enough to have children are looking pretty smart right now.

    Based on a post yesterday, we’re all going to Hell no matter what. So, in light of that, misery and suffering for eternity unless you’re some kind of Desert Father.

    So can anyone explain what the point of all this is? What, exactly, are we supposed to do? And, if it’s all pointless suffering anyway, why bother?

  7. The Masked Chicken says:

    I strongly doubt the comedian meant that Obama was, literally, God. He meant it figuratively as in a deliverer, but, I suspect, lack a refined enough expressive ability to say this in a clearer fashion. Still, he is a needy candidate for the New Evangelization.

    The Chicken

  8. Supertradmum says:

    Flambeaux , take heart. On my little old blog is a mini-series on perfection. Hey, suffering gets you there. Get a Guinness and some chips and read the progression from the purgative state to being one with God. This is possible and God wants us, is waiting for us to use the suffering. He shares in our suffering by joining Himself to us, really, truly. Just click on the perfection tag at the bottom and read on. Tomorrow I commence with more. This is the time to get serious and God is waiting for you and me and all of us to decide to be holy, really holy.

    Father Z., I shall bring you Irish stew in prison with hidden keys to get out. Wait a minute, I think Margaret Ward did try and help Fr. John Roche escape and they both ended up martyrs and saints. Oh well. For all those afraid of hell, martyrdom for Christ and His Church and His Pope is a great way to go, if one can get through the pain.

  9. LisaP. says:

    Chicken I looked for, thay, I really did. Have you viewed the clip? It didn’t look like that. And you would think he’d have left it savior, how weird is “lord” if you’re not talking religiously? It wa indecipherable to me.

  10. wmeyer says:

    I strongly doubt the comedian meant that Obama was, literally, God. He meant it figuratively as in a deliverer, but, I suspect, lack a refined enough expressive ability to say this in a clearer fashion.

    The man makes his living with words. If his “expressive ability” is lacking, shame on him. Words are his tools, his craft, he should learn to use them well.

  11. Peggy R says:

    I don’t disagree with you Fr., but as I look at the painting more I see Barry striking a Michael Jackson pose from one of his Thriller album videos–Billy Jean I think. I don’t know if his pants are as short! The way the head looks down and his arms up high, jacket open, thin tie. The crown of thorns, I can’t explain, however. It is a crown, a la Ceasar, signifying a king nonetheless. They call MJ a king too…Sigh…

  12. Supertradmum says:

    PS Herod accepted the praise of the people and blew up with worms inside him, for accepting the praise which only God should have….just thinking. “And forthwith an angel of the Lord struck him, because he had not given the honour to God: and being eaten up by worms, he gave up the ghost.” Acts 12:23

  13. Catholictothecore says:

    To add to Supertradmum’s comment: I’ll bring in some mystic monk coffee and maybe even a guinness!

  14. The Masked Chicken says:

    “The man makes his living with words. If his “expressive ability” is lacking, shame on him. Words are his tools, his craft, he should learn to use them well.”

    Oh, no, modern comedy has long stopped being a game for refined palates.

  15. wmeyer says:

    Oh, no, modern comedy has long stopped being a game for refined palates.

    Modern comedy, or what passes for same, is apparently directed at those whose sense of subtlety is absent. That said, one may ordinarily expect that they will at least slightly engage the brain before speaking. In this case, apparently not.

  16. onosurf says:

    Bravo on this post.

  17. Dr. Edward Peters says:

    That pix of Obama at ND, it’s been for me for one of the most iconic pix of my life. Earthrise, the little naked girl in Vietnam, the sailor kissing a nurse in Times Square, and Obama being crowned at ND. To see it is to understand a decade, or more.

  18. Supertradmum says:

    Dr. Edward Peters, And as an ND grad who loudly protested to the administration at the time, with many others, a horrible photo of shame. Notre Shame.

  19. PostCatholic says:

    Tinfoil Miter and Lappets Award.

    Look, I get you don’t care for the President. I get that you’re adamantly opposed for religious reasons to many or most of his social policies. I understand that you’re also adamantly opposed to his other policies for reasons of political preference and ideological outlook.

    There will be no Obama “third term.” [There has to be a third term before he and his minions find a way to suspend elections completely. The other theory is that he is just taking these USA for a ride and will after his second term just go off and enjoy the accolades and easy jobs he’ll be offered by his adorers.] I am accepting wagers on this at one hundred-to-thirty against (because in some things I’m also a tradtionalist). Perhaps you’re not seeing anything to the contrary to indicate “men like me will be hunted down and dealt with,” but I’m also seeing nothing in the affirmative, and I do move in the liberal intelligentsia circles that like to create vast left wing conspiracies while snacking on brie and sauvignon blanc. [I prefer un-oaked Sauv blanc, by the way.] A usual and deeply held liberal value is toleration for the rights of others to express contrary views. [HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!] That’s toleration as in, ‘you can keep expressing it and we won’t shut you up’, not as in ‘you can keep expressing it and we won’t shout you down.’ It’s a subtle but important distinction for those who love democracy.

  20. rodin says:

    There has not been much time to follow your blog so I have only just found the email option for forwarding items. Many thanks. Just one problem. I can only forward to one address at a time and your blog is really worth a lot of sharing. Oh, well, brick by brick.

  21. chantgirl says:

    Let me just say that if on the off chance Obama ends up being the antichrist, I want my money back. He’s not a worthy adversary for the real Lord and Saviour, and definitely not smart enough. This isn’t to say that he won’t cause people of faith some severe problems and might crash our country’s economy, but on the potential antichrist grading scale, he scores poorly.

  22. poohbear says:

    Well, if he did this with some other religion’s god they would be killing Americans. Lucky for him all we’ll do is pray for him.

  23. eulogos says:

    I hereby hit the “like” button on chantgirl’s recent comment!

  24. benedetta says:

    “The third term” will be carried out by some annointed heir. The footprint of terms one and two will be so large as to effectively govern terms three, four, etc., remotely.

  25. happyCatholic says:

    Post Catholic,

    I would love to think you are right, but I fear you are too optimistic about your brie crowd and give them too much credit, at least if they also post on the Washington Post website. When that site posted the Chaput video about how Catholics need to vote their Faith, well, to a man (to use that “sexist” term) the posters wanted his citizenship surrendered and his removal from this country — all in the interests of separation of church and state, don’t ya know. I suspected they were basing their bigotry on his “foreign” sounding last name, so I did take some pleasure in finally informing them that he is “native American,” so probably ancestor-wise predated them all. But seriously, they really were strident in their calls for him to be shut down, and they eerily echoed precisely the bigotry of the “Know-Nothings” of our past. I used to try to take comfort that maybe liberals would exhibit the “tolerance” you say they do about freedom of speech, but as I scan the society, I am thinking that will not in the end be the prevailing view. Tyranny in the form of the HHS mandate, for example, is at the door. Cardinal George, Father Z, and Father Calloway of the Marians have all now expressed similar concerns of sensing the beginnings of priests being “targets”, as well as I think Pope Benedict may have in an oblique way, and I respect their sense of concern and ponder it.

    The serious Catholics I know all have grave concerns, and even my parents, who are past seventy, and who have never been “alarmists,” are expressing grave concern. My hope is you are right; my head tells me you are not and that it is wise to prepare. Not despair, but prepare. And maybe re-read Tolkien, an astute commentator on the decline of the West. And above all, stay close to Jesus in the sacraments and the Church.

  26. joan ellen says:

    It, for me, is a great comfort to belong to the Church and have available the Mass, Sacraments, the Rosary, daily prayers, and the Saints, etc. during this time in the Church and in the world. How people survive the daily deluge of news without what the Church has to offer is beyond my understanding. It is difficult enough with it.

    Help ALL of us Lord, lest we despair.

  27. joan ellen says:

    Charles E Flynn – Thank you so much for the link.
    Supertradmum – Thank you for yours above as well.

  28. dominic1955 says:

    The liberal “elites” (I’m not going to call them the brie crowd because I love brie) are “tolerant” because most of them are also sheep. Given the right Glorious Leader and they’ll be concentration camp commandants in no time.

  29. moon1234 says:

    Father, men like you, Priests, will be defended by people like me with .50 caliber BMG anti-material weapons. Not until WE are dead will they be able to come after you. A projectile with the force of 13,000 lbs coming at you at 5000 feet per second (that is over a mile in a little over a second) will give ANYONE pause about coming any closer to you.

  30. Peggy R says:

    The ND photo:

    All hail the pow’r of Barry’s name
    Let angels prostrate fall.
    Bring forth the royal diadem,
    and crown Him Lord of All…

  31. StJude says:

    we are doomed.

  32. fiona8757@yahoo.com says:

    As high as he holds his nose in the air, I expect he will drown in the rain before he has a chance to run for a “third term”.

  33. The Masked Chicken says:

    “A projectile with the force of 13,000 lbs coming at you at 5000 feet per second (that is over a mile in a little over a second) ”

    For all of you pedantic number-lovers:

    Your typical handgun bullet travels at about 860 miles per hour. Rifles can travel as fast as 3000 miles per hour (that’s about Mach 4 for you pilots).

    The 13,000 lbs should be read as foot-pounds of force.

    Personally, I’m in favor of a fully loaded phaser bank.

    The Chicken

  34. CharlesG says:

    PostCatholic said, “A usual and deeply held liberal value is toleration for the rights of others to express contrary views.”

    You have GOT to be joking! What planet are you living on? The Left is as intolerant of free speech as it is possible to be. Just look at the very subjective so-called “hate speech” crime laws spreading in Europe, Canada, and that they are trying to impose here in the US if they get enough “liberal” justices to overturn our traditionally generous First Amendment jurisprudence. Obama and the liberals only care about free speech if it is speech they like, and would otherwise outlaw speech if it offends someone’s sensibilities as defined by them. (And almost any speech of substance is likely to offend someone.) Liberals today are most certainly not followers of Voltaire’s maxim about not agreeing but defending to the death… (although they are devout believers in Voltaire’s maxim “ecrasez l’infame,” meaning the Catholic Church). Obama is more than willing to toss the First Amendment, with the rest of the Constitution (which he says do not give enough “positive rights” to government) under the bus. After all,, what was it our Dear Leader said at the UN, “the future does not belong to those that criticize the Prophet of Islam” or some such thing?

  35. Peter Rother says:

    I share CharlesG’s sentiment: you must be joking. I suggest that you have been overcome by the vapors of the cheese you have been inhaling. Try incense–it is heavenly.

  36. mammamia says:

    Dear Dr. Peters, what an insightful comment. Iconic indeed. I was at ND for a graduation that day, and to see the President of ND display complete adoration for the PERSON, and not just what it should have been, dignified diplomacy towards the person and for the office which that person held, was among the most repugnant things I have ever seen.

    Benedetta, excellent insight: “The third term” will be carried out by some anointed heir. The footprint of terms one and two will be so large as to effectively govern terms three, four, etc., remotely.”

    Happy Catholic: “Tyranny in the form of the HHS mandate, for example, is at the door.” Precisely.

    dominic1955— … “the right Glorious Leader and they’ll be concentration camp commandants in no time.” Believe me, they would become commandants TOMORROW, gleefully. And by Sunday, the camps would have no living prisoners.

    And CharlesG, thank you so much for having the guts to tell the truth to the PostCatholic! I am neither left nor right, and I am truly confounded at the utter incapability of, for the most part people on the left, to see their own extreme intolerance. I believe that this new incapability of self-reflection and critical thinking is the beginning of the end of our country and the freedoms our ancestors gave so much for.

    What is next, among other things, is that Priests will be considered to be committing violence against women if they preach anything that contradicts what the state deems best for “maternal and children’s health” which of course includes the soon-to-be-mandated “proper spacing of children”. Seriously, OB/GYN’s will be required to ask patients if there is anyone in their life, inside or outside the home, that is telling them anything different, as that is considered akin to abuse and must be reported in the electronic central health records.

    Dig deep people, it is in the new regs, you just need to learn to understand what their labels and scores of new cutely –acronymed named departments really stand for.

    So Wmeyer, you are, sadly, spot on: “Yes, Father, you will be an enemy of the state, as will we all, to greater or lesser degree. Cardinal George’s statement was also prophetic.”

  37. PostCatholic,
    Classical liberalism, d’apres Voltaire, did indeed defend freedom.
    Today, Liberalism supports the freedom to hold and express “correct” opinion, period.
    You’re about 200 years behind the times, bro.

  38. This report from Egypt:

    “Suddenly Morsi is issuing laws and becoming the absolute ruler, holding all powers in his hands,” said protester Mona Sadek, a 31-year-old engineering graduate who wears the Islamic veil, a hallmark of piety. “Our revolt against the decrees became a protest against the Brotherhood as well.”

    . . . is very likely to be repeated right here in the U.S. of America, “the land of the free”.

  39. acardnal says:

    Absit invidia, beware the Muslim Brotherhood and their kin. The Coptic Christians are already suffering dire persecution in Egypt. Sadly, more to follow . . . .

  40. acardnal says:

    Post Catholic said, “A usual and deeply held liberal value is toleration for the rights of others to express contrary views. That’s toleration as in, ‘you can keep expressing it and we won’t shut you up’, not as in ‘you can keep expressing it and we won’t shout you down.’ It’s a subtle but important distinction for those who love democracy.”

    Really?! Guess you haven’t been to a pro-life demonstration lately.

  41. Johnno says:


    Tossing about tin foil hats at ease doesn’t help if you’re the one wearing a blindfold. As others have pointed out… have you been paying attention, or is every criticism of whatever it is you subscribe to just being made by some ‘conspiracy guy’? Many conspiracies are real. Wishful imagining and cognitive dissonance of the matter won’t change the facts or the disturbing things that are happening. Nor will any liberal revisionist history fool anybody… well scratch that… it is fooling quite a number of people… are you amongst them? For a recent example, here’s one such fellow in a teaching position trying to deny that Stalin didn’t kill anybody: http://youtu.be/hRPTZF5zSLQ With such increasing appearance of ‘liberal’ types pushing socialism and backing Obama to ludicrous levels, you wonder why we aren’t worried? You wonder why history has a habit of repeating itself? It’s because people delude themselves into believing bad things never happened and can never happen. “No, not to us! Anyone who thinks so is obviously a tin-foil hat wearing lunatic!” Wake up man! Don’t welcome naivete !

  42. Supertradmum says:

    How to get a third term:

    one, create a monetary, fiscal miracle with the help of those for whom you are a puppet and put American in the black, with a boom-time in oil and natural gas;

    two, create a military fiasco, that is a fake war, like WWI, as Americans would never, never change presidents while a real war is occurring;

    three, enter into the Islamic world-stage, either creating a miracle of peace with these groups, which will impress everybody, or by allowing another jihad in the States and, no, I do not think O is a Muslim-he is a narcissist;

    four, take away State’s rights with a series of draconian executive orders for the sake of peace, as America slide into a civil war over States’ rights. I believe in the constitutional right to secede and O does not. Martial law.

  43. Supertradmum says:

    slides; hate European keyboards! (not really-glad to have one)

    And, do not forget, the UN wants to control the Net, so that would cut off all our virtual, conservative, orthodox networks. This is not conspiracy theory. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/un-seek-control-internet_664018.html

  44. StWinefride says:

    @St Jude said “we are doomed”.

    Isn’t St Jude the Patron Saint of Desperate Cases and Lost Causes…??!!


  45. cwillia1 says:

    Taken in isolation this image of the crucifixion of our “savior” is no big deal. Yesterday I got a set of plates for my new used car. There was an icon of “saint” Barack on the wall complete with the seal of the president as a nimbus glowing around his head. This stuff is everywhere. We are seeing a revival of emperor worship. There is worship and there is rule by decree. The tyrant occupying the White House makes illegal appointments, refuses to enforce the laws he finds inconvenient, issues decrees that are incompatible with the law, goes to war without congressional authorization, ignores legitimate congressional subpoenas, denounces Americans exercising free speech rights before the UN and jails a man for offending Muslims on a flimsy pretext. He stirs up racial hatred and vilifies the Supreme Court in a public setting where they are unable to defend themselves. And the worst thing of all is that he was reelected by the American people in a free election.

  46. chantgirl says:

    Supertradmum- There are a couple of other ways to get a third term. He could take advantage of a serious natural disaster or outbreak of some disease. All it takes to implement martial law is a serious enough disaster. I am not so scared at the possibility of living without electricity or grocery stores (although I am on medication that I need to survive). The thing that I find most terrifying is the possibility of needing a priest and there being no priests. Imagine that there is a great natural disaster or plague and people are dying and no priests are available because they have been imprisoned or killed or there is not enough of them to minister to the great masses of people. How many people would be able or even know they needed to make a perfect act of contrition? How many people would die without the sacraments? How many would be in danger of Hell? Unlike Baptism, the laity cannot give absolution. This is the possibility that I find terrifying. Yes, go to confession often!

  47. Hidden One says:

    PostCatholic, your friends may be willing to be so kind to people you (collectively) disagree with as you say. You know them; I don’t. If they are as you say, they are exceptions to the rule.

    On the general stage of the Western World, people who oppose abortion, contraception, same-sex “marriage”, etc. are not only shouted down but also shut down whenever possible. As the Canadian archbishop Terence Prendergast, S.J., of Ottawa explained to an American audience:

    “You are summoned to a tribunal where you cannot have a defense lawyer and you cannot record the proceedings nor have a witness present. The people judging and prosecuting you have no legal qualifications. The accusation is ambiguous, having to do with ideas the state does not like. The penalties could include fines equal to several thousands of dollars, public recanting, and rehabilitation classes. You are a bishop. This is not China. This is Canada. The offense: explaining why homosexual relations are a sin.”

    That bishop, incidentally, was the Most Rev. Fred Henry of Calgary, and what Abp. Prendergast is describing happened to Bp. Henry way back in 2005. I can assure you with great confidence that the ‘freedom’ of orthodox Catholics in Canada to articulate much of anything in the public square – and even in Catholic pulpits in Catholic churches – has only deteriorated – rather substantially, in fact – in the last seven years.

    Fr. Z's Gold Star Award

  48. PostCatholic says:

    I also prefer un-oaked Sauv blanc. New Zealand makes the best, in my opinion.

    And I’m quite sure there will be no Obama 3rd term, and he’ll follow in the footsteps of all recent past presidents and go off to “accolades and easy jobs.” And building a Presidential library, too (or in the case of the most recent former president, a “Presidential Liberry. Liebererry? See, What I’m Saying is there’s a lot of paper and lies play an important part in it.”) Why don’t we lengthen the odds to 100 to 1 against?

  49. frater sejunctus parvulus says:

    There’s a distinct whiff of Nero about the current President of the United States; this accolade from one of his admirers is certainly redolent of Domitian’s liking for the title ‘Lord & God”; and Obamacare surely has the potential for its author to step forth as America’s Decius. …The faithful seem little prepared, and most of their shepherds oblivious to the threat. …It’s like being in the midst of a Michael O’Brien novel!

  50. In PostCatholic’s defense, it is true that the real old-fashioned liberal was more open-minded. Unfortunately I’m not sure that a true, honest liberal exists anywhere today. Liberals today apparently are only angry intolerant mouthpieces of progressives and leftists, and incapable of fair debate. But this is the least of our problems.

    When I first saw this image with the crown of thorns and the obvious cruciform pose, I thought it was a parody. But no, its real. I’m staggering in amazement at how quickly those in power are beginning to reveal themselves and what they have in store for us. Obama may only be a placeholder for what is to come.

    Our problem is much, much bigger than who is President, as it matters little which party or who it is. Whoever is allowed “in” is simply part of the huge worldwide infrastructure that has been in place for decades. Politicians with any discernible power are those who follow orders, and are members of the ‘club”. Our beloved America of the Founders barely exists. Look up Dr. Stanley Monteith.

    Really, its true we are up against evil angels, using the twisted will of men, who work to put their ‘god of light’ in his “rightful place”. We are puny humans and the only protection we have is prayer and penance. Our present dilemmas and our helplessness make me believe in the Catholic Church more than EVER! The Catholic Church has always been the ultimate target because She is truly the only organization that stands against evil.

    When Cardinal Sin told the Filipinos to take to the streets with the rosary, didn’t that defeat the progressives?

    Our Blessed Mother wasn’t foolin’ when she said to consecrate ourselves to her Immaculate Heart and say the Rosary. Yes, do the sensible things, try to earn a living, do the dishes, fix your car, fight abortion and contraception, work at converting twisted wills, maybe prepare a bit for TEOTWOWKI but don’t be distracted from prayer and trust in God. We laugh at the weakness and folly of others while we ourselves succumb to weakness and do not pray.

    This is it. Prayer is our only real weapon.

  51. An American Mother says:


    A usual and deeply held liberal value is toleration for the rights of others to express contrary views.

    Really? Maybe back in the days of Anthony Trollope and the “classical liberals”. It hasn’t been true recently.

    I’m beginning to believe that the left bears more than a passing resemblance to Islam — as long as they are a vocal minority they are relatively harmless, but as soon as they acquire any real power they begin to destroy those with any contrary views. First with the media, then with the law (see Canada), then with the bullet (see Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, et al.)

    You need to check your bedfellows, you may be up against the wall next.

  52. Hey did anybody catch the ‘blessing’ of the turkey by Obama at this year’s pre-Thanksgiving turkey pardon? I’ve never seen anyone do that for the turkey before.

    Near the end at 5:41, Obama makes the sign of the cross over the turkey using the words ‘special dispensation’. He’s laughing, its clearly a joke.

  53. wmeyer says:

    Near the end at 5:41, Obama makes the sign of the cross over the turkey using the words ‘special dispensation’. He’s laughing, its clearly a joke.

    More offensive than his usual photo-ops.

  54. wmeyer says:

    I’m beginning to believe that the left bears more than a passing resemblance to Islam — as long as they are a vocal minority they are relatively harmless, but as soon as they acquire any real power they begin to destroy those with any contrary views. First with the media, then with the law (see Canada), then with the bullet (see Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, et al.)

    As with so many things these days, it brings to mind the (modified) famous poem by Rev. Niemoller:

    First they came for the socialists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

  55. PostCatholic says:

    I notice no one putting money where their hyperbolic mouth is. 100:1 there’s no Obama 3rd term. Who’s up for it? That’s a pretty good payout for your buck. You can buy a lot of tinfoil millinery with $100– I bet you could add the tinfoil zuchetto, the tinfoil biretta, tinfoil saturno and tinfoil galero and tassels to the collection.

  56. acardnal says:

    PostCatholic, You usually behave yourself much better on this site. Why all the vitriol? Bad day? Bad week? Were the Unitarians asleep during your speech or unappreciative? Why do you attend a “worship” service on Sunday if you don’t believe in God?

  57. James Joseph says:

    There is always this book put out by an Episcopalian man-who-wears polyester vestments who was trained at the Jesuit House of Studies in Weston, Massachusetts.


  58. chantgirl says:

    PostCatholic- these liberal friends of your must not teach in universities, as there is no free-thinking allowed on campus anymore. Liberals were all for free-thinking and tolerance as long as they were not in power, but as soon as they took control of the universities they became authoritarians. Liberals in the Church have been just as intolerant. Priests and seminarians have been run out of my diocese for just having an affection for the EF. Several years ago when a priest decided to offer an EF Mass at a diocesan parish around here, liberal parishioners came to the meeting and threw a tantrum. Why? They weren’t going to go to the Mass, and it wasn’t going to replace any of the other Masses, but they didn’t like anything pre-VatII so they didn’t want ANYONE to go.
    All anyone needs to do to witness the tolerance of the left is to pray quietly in front of Planned Parenthood. I have never been treated more like a criminal, idiot, or someone with the plague than when praying for the lives of innocent children.

  59. keithp says:

    Silly post Catholic. As if any amount of money could be recompense for the Obama evils of the past 4 years, the coming 4 years and the next 4.

  60. LisaP. says:

    Can you give me some examples (anonymized, of course) of the experiences you have had of liberals upholding that principle in real life in this decade?

  61. xsosdid says:

    PostCatholic, you’ve so clearly evolved beyond the simple folks here at Fr Z’s blog that I won’t waste your time with a reply of my own.
    I will leave that to P.D. Ouspensky and his Letters from Russia (1919)

    They can be read in PDF here:

    I see in those letters an obvious (to my UNevolved, currently Catholic-thru-n-thru soul) frightening parallel to today’s USA. He writes from a place that could very well be the US in about five years time. Whether Obama takes a third term or not, Fr Z is, as usual, dead accurate.

    You should get over it and listen to Fr Z in my opinion.

  62. Southern Catholic says:

    Why is an atheist troll allowed in com box? Has this place gone the way of Catholic Vote?

  63. AnAmericanMother says:

    Post catholic,
    Whether he officially serves a third term doesn’t really matter – he can do third term by proxy. Ever hear of “Pa” and “Ma” Ferguson? Or for that matter Lurleen Wallace?
    $100 is chump change in any event. You’re betting your health, income, retirement, and possibly your life.

  64. The Masked Chicken says:

    “PostCatholic- these liberal friends of your must not teach in universities, as there is no free-thinking allowed on campus anymore.”

    Oh, you are allowed to think freely. You just can’t say what you think.

    The Chicken

  65. PostCatholic says:

    I think I’ll stick at this point to the easiest answered questions: The Unitarians were awake “during my speech,” as you put it, acardnal. Though I suspect a few may have had hangovers; it was Sunday morning

    It’s interesting to see how well conservatives model tolerance. Clearly liberals have a lot to learn from them.

  66. SKAY says:

    I think that you need to look in the mirror, PC.
    Even Pravda gets it.

    “More offensive than his usual photo-ops.”
    You are so right wmeyer–and for so many reasons.

  67. wmeyer says:

    PC, in this thread you have been quite combative. That may explain some of the replies, though it does not justify them.

  68. Jim of Bowie says:

    This proves trolling is a mental disorder. Someone who would go onto a religious site and ridicule the religion needs some serious self-evaluation. This is why you should not feed trolls.

  69. jaykay says:

    wmeyer: but really, having read the whole thread, I would say the only objectionable comment was that which called PC an “atheist troll”. He’s not a troll, and Fr. Z. has not banned him. As to “allowing him”, well, we’re all of us “allowed” until such time as our comments cross the border of incivility, rudeness etc. None of the other responses to him was uncouth… certainly not so much as to justify his snarky last comment, anyway. More in the way of robust debate, I’d have thought.

  70. wmeyer says:

    Sorry, jaykay, but the tin-foil hats comment was derisive, at best, and certainly not an invitation to intelligent and civilized discourse.

  71. Southern Catholic says:


    I’m not going to sugar coat my statements, and I’m going to call a spade a spade. Most of his/her recent comments in this thread and others have been to get a rise out of the other users here, and not to invite “debate”.

  72. jaykay says:

    wmeyer: what I was saying was that the comments in response to PC’s comment were not in fact out of order, so there was really no need for you to apologise for them.

    Southern Catholic: I don’t think I’d agree with you there. Given, his style can sometimes come across as supercilious but I wouldn’t put him in the class of troll per se, as his comments are generally well expressed and germane to the topic at issue. O.k. the “tinfoil” thing was over the top – and frankly just silly – but it was only one comment. I wouldn’t have thought his previous comments were actually designed to get a rise out of others.

  73. wmeyer says:

    jaykay, my own comment was based on the simple reality that charity in replies has been lacking. On all sides.

  74. xsosdid says:

    Jaykay, the “tinfoil mitre” comment was ad hominem and deliberate, as in Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals #11:
    Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.

  75. SKAY says:

    xsosdid–Thanks for the reminder about the framwork the left uses consistently.

    Another comment from an article about the election of Obama in the former mouthpiece of the Soviet Union–Pravda.

    “The reason America has the trillion dollar war monger Obama as president today is because of immorality and materialism in America. President John Adams once said,

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” -October 11, 1798.

    “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible” – George Washington.

    Thomas Jefferson wrote: “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

  76. Nancy D. says:

    I suppose I have changed my mind. With a simple tweet, Pope Benedict can let it be known that those who deny the personal and relational essence of the Human Person, created in The Image of God to reflect Love, and thus deny the Sanctity of Human Life from the moment of creation at our conception, and the Sanctity of Marriage and The Family, are no longer in communion with Christ and His One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

  77. LisaP. says:

    Nancy D.,
    So, you think we’ll see a ” pres@whitehouse, u r excommunic8ed” tweet now and then? ;)

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