You will recall that our old pal Phyllis Zagano, a writer for the National Schismatic Reporter (aka Fishwrap), promoted her MOOS for the ordination of women.
MOOS means, I understand, a “Massive Online Open Seminar”. It seems it was not entirely “open”. I wonder how “massive” it was.
It seems that Elizabeth has been interested in this topic for a while and knew about the MOOS even before I, helpfully, posted here.
You can – and really should – read the whole thing over at Elizabeth’s place! It is useful, as all autopsies should be. Here are a few bullet points:
- It seems that, from Elizabeth’s exchanges with her, that Zagano “insists” that Ordinatio sacerdotalis does not convey infallible teaching. I take that to mean that Zagano thinks that the Church does not infallibly teach that only males can be ordained to the priesthood. That would be, at least, theological error. The Church does teach, infallibly, that only males can be ordained to the priesthood.
- Zagano cherry-picked, as part of the MOOS materials, something from a talk given by Sr. Sara Butler, a theology prof at St. Mary of the Lake (Mundelein), which gives the impression that Sr. Butler is in favor of the ordination of women to the diaconate. Elizabeth, however, shows that Sr. Butler does not in fact think that. Sr. Butler thinks that deaconesses were not the equivalent of deacons that evidence does not support the “revival” of an ordained diaconate for women. Follow the links at Elizabeth’s place. You have to skip around in Elizabeth’s post for the full impact of how Sr. Butler’s thought differs from what seems to have been the true aim of Phyllis’ MOOS (i.e., promotion of, not just discussion of, the ordination of women).
- One of the people involved in the MOOS “faculty”, at the level of their discussion board, Anne Southwood, is on the board of trustees of the dissident group Voice of the Faithful. Again, follow the links at Elizabeth’s place.
- Both Zagano and Southwood debated Elizabeth’s belief (in fact the Church’s belief) that Christ instituted the Sacrament of Holy Orders at the Last Supper and conferred it on the apostles at that time. Elizabeth recounts that Zagano challenged even the Council of Trent’s anathema about those who deny that the Sacrament of Orders was instituted by Christ at the Last Supper. She quotes the email, which is pretty interesting. May I help? DH 1740, 1764; CCC 1357
- After Elizabeth offered to send Zagano a copy of her own book about the Sinsinawa Dominicans (in which Zagano is apparently mentioned), Elizabeth was banned from the discussion board. Post hoc ergo propter hoc? Who’s to know. (BTW… Elizabeth also has an interesting book about Fr. Samuel Mazzuchelli.)
- Elizabeth posts email.
- A quote from Elizabeth’s summary of the experience: “I had a strange ‘chaotic’ impression of Phyllis Zagano‘s theological thinking. The Faith is orderly and beautifully rational… until you start to mess with it or feel like you have to make it up yourself.”
- In the comments, Zagano posted a response to Elizabeth’s post! I especially liked her neologism “upsetment”: “I cannot answer your upsetment point by point,…”. One of Zagano’s statements to Elizabeth baffled me: “I am especially concerned that you find no need for women’s ministry..”. Anyone who reads what Elizabeth actually wrote will see that quite the opposite is true. [UPDATE: Apparently “upsetment” is part of the dialect of Bayonne, NY, according to How to Speak Bayonnease: The secret language of Bayonne, New York’s sixth borough. HERE]
In any event, kudos to Elizabeth Durack for jumping in! She tried, at least, to participate in the women’s ordination MOOS.
I’ll leave the combox open here, but turn on the moderation queue. Do go check out Laetificat Madison for the full story. HERE