Behold how the Left thinks

At Daily Kos you can find a good example of how the Left thinks.  This is also an insight into how the catholic Left think, too.  For confirmation just watch the combox of the Fishwrap.  You see similar attitudes and tone.

Daily Kos attacked Card. Burke in an especially vicious way.  HERE Why? He stated, clearly, what we know about homosexuality.  Same sex-attraction is an inclination that is not a well-ordered inclination, according to human ecology, the natural law.  It is, as the Church has explained in rather clinical language, disordered.  The Kos writer, probably not up to date on any sort of technical language or the finer points of any language, leaped to conclusion that Card. Burke (or any of us) think that homosexuals are therefore deranged.

So… here is a sample of how the Left “thinks”, which includes also – in many cases – the catholic Left.  Thus, Kos, with my usual emphases and comments:

Hey, Cardinal F*ckwit, listen here: [With an intro like that, imagine what sort of brilliant reasoning and prose might follow!] The only “intrinsic disorder” here is your hatred and bigotry that belongs in the Dark Ages. [I suspect that, for the writer, “Dark Ages” is only a vague trope, a cliché.] The only thing that LGBT people suffer from is the efforts of people like you to condemn their lives at every turn, [Who did that?] and to fight with every ounce of your strength [I suppose the writer thinks that the world revolves around homosexuals.  We don’t really spend much time thinking about them.] their dignity, equality and civil rights. [No.  This is a canard.  Do not be taken in by the claim that this is a civil rights issue, as if it was on par with racial civil rights.] The only thing that makes them “profoundly unhappy” are your constant messages of hostility, animosity and condemnation for nothing else than who they are [?] and who they love. [It seems to me that only a profoundly unhappy person could write this stuff.] Something that actually scandalizes children is the rape and sexual abuse of them, which has been perpetrated, defended and covered up by your church for decades. [A drastic overplaying of that card.]

Homosexuality is not a mental disorder. [Card. Burke didn’t say that it was.  This is a straw man.] The beliefs that the Catholic Church holds about it is. [Try to follow that.  “The beliefs” are a “disorder”?  Does that even make sense?] The cure for this disorder is [This is where it gets really nasty.] to challenge them, shun them, shame them, ridicule them, mock them, condemn them, and make anyone who is considering holding them too embarrassed to do so. [You’ll have to try harder than this, I’m afraid.  This is simply rude slop which only paints the writer as the one with the problem.] And I’m tired of having the meaning of tolerance dictated to me by the right. Tolerance means that I don’t ban you from saying what you just said. [This person isn’t full of herself.  Nope.  Not a bit.] That’s it. I do not owe your sick beliefs one iota of respect. In my mind, they should be shoved to the absolute fringe of society, away from where any half-decent person can give them any consideration at all. They should have no place in mainstream society, in the same category as racism, misogyny and religious prejudice, [Of which the writer is deeply guilty.] and they deserve nothing but profound disrespect.

It’s the only way you’ll learn.

That’s your pitch?

It seems to me that this person may need counseling.

Meanwhile, that other liberal bastion quoted Michael Sean Winters of the Fishwrap, thus demonstrating that the Left and the catholic Left are at work in the same echo chamber.

In response to Burke’s declaration that gay relationships are “intrinsically disordered,” National Catholic Reporters’ Michael Sean Winters called the cardinal”tone deaf” and said such statements “make the Church look foolish and mean-spirited.”

This man’s inability to speak with even a whiff of human compassion is intrinsically disordered if you ask me,” Winters said.

Sound familiar?  Now compare and contrast the above with the Fishwrap’s combox.  You will need a mask and nitrile gloves for this one.  HERE

Cowards.  They hide behind their anonymity to pour all manner of spiritual poison out into the world.

We respond with,

Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you. “You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trodden under foot by men. “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Nor do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 5:11-16)

And to Card. Burke, I say:

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word, be urgent in season and out of season, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. As for you, always be steady, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil your ministry. (2 Tim 4:1-5)

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The aptly-named Daily Beast has a piece by someone named “Barbie” in the same vein as Kos and HuffPo, but with a bit less bile.  HERE  These folks come quite simply unglued at the thought that people should have to rut constantly.

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  1. robtbrown says:

    Is there anything more boring that someone accusing those who adhere to sexual morality of not being “with it” (cf the Dark Ages)? As Chesterton points out, these people who denigrate the Church for not relying on outdated thought themselves use outdated criticism–you would think they could come up with something new.

    I wonder what they think about necrophilia, which was also morally proscribed back in the “Dark Ages”.

  2. McCall1981 says:

    Well, the Synod fathers just elected Card Burke to be the moderator of one of the three English speaking groups, so he seems to have a lot of support there.

  3. Andrew says:

    Some disagreements have to do with right reasoning and right information or the lack thereof. But some disagreements have to do with the rejection of all reason. At that point, rational thought is replaced by violence.

  4. apman says:

    As each day passes, Cardinal Burke, being the patient and holy man that he is, is growing in more and more virtue while his satanic opposition are falling deeper into the plans of Screwtape and Wormwood.

  5. HeatherPA says:

    In the days when I was on Facebook, I was banned from many Catholic groups simply for posting tat same Scriptural passage from 2 Tim.

    These people all need prayers.

  6. iPadre says:

    I think these in which we live are the new “dark ages.” And oh, how deep is the darkness. It pervades every aspect of life and society as we know it. Morality is evil and vice is virtue. The good news is that when we hit the bottom of the bucket, Our Lady will swoop down and save the day.

  7. Andrew is exactly right. When the argument cannot be won on logic or reason, the losing side either exhibits some humility and admits defeat or they exhibit pride and get belligerent. Every state that put the issue to a vote, voted unanimously on supporting traditional marriage. This happened even in states that elected Obama. The argument for gay marriage does not resonate with most reasonable people and that hasn’t sat well with its supporters. All they can do is bully those with opposing viewpoints and manipulate the system such as the courts to get their way. And they’re just upset that Cardinal Burke isn’t playing along with their bullying and manipulation.

  8. aviva meriam says:

    This writer needs prayers and professional help.

    What’s sad is his vitriol reflects the “thought” processes of many on the left. Logical argument does not exist for these people. I cannot help but think they’re lost in a caricature of insanity. They need prayers too.

  9. Lavrans says:

    I read the comments at the KOS and all I kept thinking was, “do not give to dogs what is holy,” and “do not toss your pearls to swine.” That article, and its comments, are nothing but restroom graffiti written by those simply lashing out impotently and irrationally. There is no use engaging it.

    Prayer is all that will help them.

    As for Cardinal Burke, God bless him. May His Holiness listen to him.

  10. Alanmac says:

    Reading that article in Fishwrap, it’s almost impossible for me to believe that it is affiliated or condoned by the RCC.

    [That’s the thing. It isn’t. They crave approval, but they don’t have it. What they do have is the expressed desire of their local bishops to remove the word “Catholic” from their title.]

  11. Landless Laborer says:

    Regarding NCR’s combox:
    If a man hates Democrats, he becomes a Republican. If a man hates tennis, he watches golf. If a man hates manual labor, he goes to school. If a man hates reading, he buys audio books, or just watches tv. If a man hates Christianity, he becomes an atheist, or maybe a Buddhist. This is typical human behavior, but it does not apply to Catholicism. Only if a man is indifferent to Catholicism, does he leave the Church. If he hates Catholicism, he remains a Catholic.

    This is the most surprising thing I have found, since becoming Catholic.

  12. kpoterack says:

    “Well, the Synod fathers just elected Card Burke to be the moderator of one of the three English speaking groups, so he seems to have a lot of support there.”

    Indeed Cardinals Sarah, Bagnasco, Napier and Archbishop Kurtz are good men. And it’s nice to see Archbishop Leonard as a relator who is quite good, too.

  13. Gregorius says:

    I guess in order to have tolerance and inclusion you have to exclude and be intolerant of some people. My heart aches for the people who are capable of writing such vitriol towards ANYONE, let alone someone as gentle as Cardinal Burke They write such stuff because they refuse to get to know him personally other than what they see about his ideas. This is why the sermon posted today on Rorate from the abbot of Fontgombault is really important- we can only love God and neighbor if we seek to know who they are.

  14. Dr. Edward Peters says:

    We need a new take on BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome in political circles, where the mere mention of the man’s name provoked hysteria): nowadays, in church circles, it stands for Burke Derangement Syndrome. A lot of people seem to suffer from it.

  15. JTH says:

    Thinking ‘dark ages’ to liberals are the 1950’s when traditional values were the norm.

    According to Our Lady of Good Success things are only going to get worse. How odd that our current time will be remembered as better days.

  16. JBS says:

    If the seed is not meant for the egg, then what can be their purpose? I fear soon Cardinal Burke will be hated for saying that apples fall from trees to the ground, rather than from the ground into trees.

  17. JARay says:

    God bless Cardinal Burke and all those like him.

  18. devinicus says:

    For what it’s worth, Father, the author of this dimwitted Daily Kos hate-screed is “leftprogressive”. When you check out the issues which leftprogressive writes on, you find that this person is what one might call a ‘professional homosexual’. This person is wholly absorbed by advancing gay “marriage” and this piece is surely a reflection of a deep-seated and deeply disordered need for the world to ratify his/her sexuality. It’s pretty common among the unhinged internet left.

    Matthew 5 indeed.

  19. drohan says:

    The leftists are wicked people for the most part. But we can’t get caught falling with them into the weeds. We simply need to focus on the righteous and the holy. Certainly Cardinal Burke is doing just that.

    Also, look at the measured and quiet, holy manner in which Cardinal Burke makes the case for traditional moral marriage and families. It is that which makes the demons of hell arrive with the fury they do. And of course it wouldn’t be complete if we didn’t have the Fishwrap doing all it could to aid the demons in their efforts. What they hate is calm and reason, and that is why Cardinal Burke is taking all this abuse.

  20. Marc M says:

    There’s an insidious vice that’s very easy to fall into when one identifies all people first as members of assigned groups, wherein you can “know” that you are a good person because you hate all the right people. The left does this as a matter of policy, but anyone can fall prey to this if you see groups and labels instead of human people. So this kind of thing fills about 99% of left-wing commentary, talk radio, etc., but we have our fundamentalists and spittle-flecked nutters too.

  21. Del says:

    Over at The Daily Beast, Barbie has a highlight box that says:

    “The only sexual acts that are natural to homosexuals are homosexual acts. … They cannot perform what the Church would call ‘natural’ acts in a way that is natural to them.”

    But that is our point. To an alcoholic, taking that morning drink feels natural. The addict thinks that the desire to stick a needle in his arm is “natural.” The compulsive gambler, the pyromaniac, the kleptomaniac, the nymphomaniac…. They want to do what they want to do, and that desire always feels “natural” to the individual. And yet… those desires are not natural to human nature. They are disordered.

    Secularists of limited vocabulary hear “disordered” and they immediately think “diseased.” All we mean is that the natural act is ordered toward a natural end. And that act is abused when it is ordered toward some unnatural end.

    Human sex is for marital bonding and procreation. Abusing sex for contracepted pleasure and unnatural bonding is disordered lust, just as forced-mating for the sole purpose of producing children is disordered rape. Those are not what human sexuality are for.

  22. Kathleen10 says:

    Great points, Fr. Z., and how comforting are these comments, all of them. It is so consoling to read these and to know we are in good company. At least, it makes me feel better.
    Spiritual darkness does seem to answer the “why” liberals/progressives think and act the way they do, not just a difference of opinion but there is something much bigger here. Nothing else can explain it, and when you see such vitriol and demonic hatred and vulgarity it confirms it. But it is the dearth of reasoning that most astounds me as well. The person who wrote the above article is writing on a middle school level with just that mentality, and I am not trying to be unkind. It’s immature writing and there is no argument, just threats and rhetoric. Too bad that is all it takes these days. This slop actually influences other people who also cannot reason and that is the real problem, not just an isolated nut. As Andrew pointed out, once reason is gone you are only left with violence, and look how violence has exploded in American culture.

    Cardinal Burke’s interview was excellent. His comments were masterful, not timid at all, just direct. I have grown so weary of squishy answers, generalities, and deflection to safer ground. His calm demeanor is just what is needed. He knows the truth and he states it without apology. Who knew Cardinal Burke was hiding Superman under that Cardinal Clark Kent exterior.
    I especially enjoyed his response to the question about the change in his particular situation. What a brilliant way to speak to that. I pray God be near Cardinal Burke and help him.

  23. dover_beach says:

    All one need do is simply compare the content and manner of Burke’s and leftprogressive’s contribution – no more than a single sentence – to judge which of them is filled with “hatred and bigotry”.

  24. Kerry says:

    Those comments don’t even rise to sophistry; they are all sneer. And those at the Fishwrap, medical waste. Father Z is right about the gloves.

  25. Legisperitus says:

    Landless Laborer: I suspect the key lies in the fact that hatred of Catholicism is the Devil’s own special focus. The Devil knows the Catholic Church is his enemy, so he probably plays a part in keeping the most demonic haters of Catholicism within the walls of the Church, where they can do the most damage.

  26. Dimitri_Cavalli says:

    Where is Michael Sean Winters’ compassion?

    He’s saying that the Church should stop telling people that homosexual conduct is no longer sinful, and as sinful act, can lead a soul to eternal suffering and damnation in hell.

  27. Eugene says:

    I shouldn’t have done it but I did. I went and read MSW post and some of the comments and now I feel physically sick especially reading a comment from a fellow parishioner deriding the good Cardinal. The same person who was publicly quoted in our local paper as hoping that the Cardinals would not elect a “backwards” pope like St JPII, shortly after his death.

  28. HeatherPA says:

    Kerry, that Crisis mag article is excellent, isn’t it?

    One of the few Catholic online mags that still tell the absolute truth.

    That the 1.6% are so full of hate and rage that they would actually target an abandoned wife and mother, trying to utterly destroy her, and are condoned by most of the world (or, most likely, not many are courageous enough to come to her defense) is simply terrifying.

  29. robtbrown says:

    devinicus says:
    For what it’s worth, Father, the author of this dimwitted Daily Kos hate-screed is “leftprogressive”. When you check out the issues which left-progressive writes on, you find that this person is what one might call a ‘professional homosexual’. This person is wholly absorbed by advancing gay “marriage” and this piece is surely a reflection of a deep-seated and deeply disordered need for the world to ratify his/her sexuality. It’s pretty common among the unhinged internet left.

    If you’re saying he’s a homosexual, the opposite seems to be true. He is married with children.

    IMHO, what we seem to be seeing in his article is Sloth, which primarily refers not to an aversion toward work but rather toward the Good.

    Garrigou-LaGrange on Spiritual Sloth:

    Spiritual sloth, disgust for spiritual things and for the work of sanctification, because of the effort it demands, is a vice directly opposed to the love of God and to the holy joy that results from it. Sloth engenders malice, rancor or bitterness toward our neighbor, pusillanimity in the face of duty to be accomplished, discouragement, spiritual torpor, forgetfulness of the precepts, seeking after forbidden things.

    Notice the relationship between spiritual sloth and hatred–that spiritual sloth engenders “malice, rancor or bitterness toward our neighbor “.

  30. Maineman1 says:

    1 Peter 3:15- 15 but in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be ready to make your defence to anyone who demands from you an account of the hope that is in you; 16 yet do it with gentleness and reverence.

    This notion is seemingly lost on countless Christians, and that is a shame. When we were in the ascendant position within society, drunk on secuar political power, too many of us were arrogant and neglectful of basic Christian morals and demeanor.

    I pray earnestly that we utilize this Wilderness period wisely, and allow for the social ostracism to inundate our hearts and minds with humility. We must emulate Christ.

    That doesn’t mean we water down the Truth, which has been the trend of mdoern Western Catholicism for five decades now. The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ; there are false doctrines abounding within Christendom. Souls will be lost for adhering to false teachings. It is a grave sin to turn a lost soul away from Christ and His Bride.

    But we need to defend Truth with charity. And charity is what many lacked during our years of social dominance. May God instill in us clean hearts and generous spirits.

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  32. JesusFreak84 says:

    Dr. Peters’ post has made my morning XD

    And someone here is very intolerant of pyromaniacs *pouts*

    My sisters are VERY much the sort who consider themselves “good people” because they hate all of the “right” people. It’s been very problematic for both of them over their years when their father, and especially I, represent the embodiment of all that, in any other person, they hate with the venom of a thousand snakes.

  33. cyejbv says:

    As someone mentioned, this post ‘made me feel better’ too. I was attacked on Twitter the other day, swarmed, really, by gay activists whose whose anger and vitriol was breathtaking. [The most violent lobby out there, though they haven’t taken to beheading commonly, like some others.] Woe to you who, as Fr mentioned, challenge the nonsense idea that gay marriage (any marriage) is a civil right. ‘Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t have one.’ is as silly as saying ‘Don’t like slavery? Don’t have a slave.’ because the radical left understands neither objective truths nor absolute right and wrongs. I dont think I’ve ever said Thank you for your blog Father. So thank you. It’s a proverbial port in the storm.

  34. joeclark77 says:

    From the Daily Beast article, I was interested to learn that the synod is due to end with the “beautification” of Paul VI…

  35. Fr_Sotelo says:

    The Daily Kos attack on Cardinal Burke was a trashy, low life, character assassination.

    But it did produce from Dr. robtbrown one of the most interesting Garrigou-Lagrange quotes which I will use and reuse. It goes to show that God allows evil to exist that He might bring good from it.

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