per canon 1210, local Bishops can now approve the use of a parish church for a live performance of Kenny Loggins and Dolly Parton’s classic ballad ‘Islands in the stream’ (1983) but not the celebration of mass according to the 1962 missal https://t.co/ZjVWVHHnIO
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Interesting.
This presents a conundrum, however.
In Quo Primum, (which is an official Papal Bull and not merely a tweet or a bolletino) Pius V expressly states (emphases mine):
“Furthermore, by these presents and by virtue of Our Apostolic authority We give and grant in perpetuity that for the singing or reading of Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal may be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment or censure, and may be freely and lawfully used. Nor shall bishops, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious of whatsoever Order or by whatsoever title designated, be obliged to celebrate Mass otherwise than enjoined by Us. We likewise order and declare that no one whosoever shall be forced or coerced into altering this Missal and that this present Constitution can never be revoked or modified, but shall for ever remain valid and have the force of law.”
So…can a present or future pope actually rescind that?
How do we know which instruction to follow?
*Kenny Rogers…and that is insanity!
Most of my local parishes seem much more like concert venues and comedy shows than places of worship, so they’ll be pretty excited no doubt. :(
Ordained after 16th July 2021?
So in England and Wales… That’s about a total of 6 of them (across 22-24 dioceses)? Zero in that time in this diocese.
Talk about micromanaging.
Where to start? There’s the dramatic injustice of misattributing to Kenny Loggins what belongs to Kenny Rogers and then there’s the expected injustice of the Vatican being a bully.
There are several things wrong with the picture. Islands in the Stream is a Bee Gees song that was sung by Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton. Dolly’s old duet partner is no longer available for live performances although Kenny Loggins may be able to assist if it be Dolly’s pleasure.
Very sad that secular entertainment is allowed in front of a tabernacle but not divine worship.
My apologies for previous post. It turns out that in 2021 there were 21 priests ordained, and projected to be 26 in 2022 (final figures not confirmed).
https://www.ukvocation.org/statistics
So, going to a TLM will be a trip to the….DANGER ZONE!!!
Seriously though, this is B and in B, S as in S.
[Headin’ to the Old Mass
setting all the ribbons right
Got my missal ready
Got the chapel veils pinned tight
Highway to the Danger Zone
I’ll take you right into the Danger Zone]
@roma
I’ve heard it said that to accept it as forever binding is to deny the validity of, for example, the reforms of Pius XII. I prefer the pre-55, but I don’t find the 1962 Holy Week to be Protestantized either.
However, based on the language of Quo Primum, I do wonder if the 1570 version could hypothetically enjoy a pride of place.
I doubt I’ll ever be able to attend a Mass according to the 1570 missal, but it sure is fun to dream about.
One thing that is wrong is that the song referred to is actually Kenny Rogers…. but, the point still stands. Theatre of the Absurd coming from Rome these days.
Eureka! This provides us with a solution. Henceforth, the Extraordinary Form should just be referred to (including in parish bulletins) as “Islands in the Stream.”
Problem solved!
I sent this email to my archbishop this afternoon, Father. I hope it is in line with the advice you have repeatedly given us on how to address our bishops:
“Your Excellency,
My family and I attend St. Joseph Church in Downingtown. It is my home parish, the one in which I have received all of my sacraments and in which grandparents and father are buried. My children attended St. Joseph School and Bishop Shanahan High School and my wife and I are La Salle University graduates.
We are happy and faithful Catholics and active in our parish life. More than half of our friends are people we met through our Catholic communities and I am greatly troubled by the Church’s efforts to suppress the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM). If fully suppressed, I don’t know what to do and it weighs heavily on my mind.
I attend the TLM once a month. I would go more often but maintaining a full relationship with my home parish is important to our family. I feel drawn to the TLM, even though I know the Novus Ordo to be valid and often beautiful. Whatever the legitimate complaints against the NO, I have not seen liturgical abuse in my parish.
It seems clear to me that the Spirit is active and alive among the regularly attending TLM families with whom we have regular relationships. These families are wonderfully prayerful, faithful, and honorable. There ARE objections to Vatican II but they are faithfully addressed within the canons and catechism of our faith.
Rejecting these faithful Christians, pushing them out of the Church, and condemning them as heretics for continuing practices which are entirely within the text and context of Vatican II seems to me to be unchristian. Personally, I don’t know what to do here. What does one do when one’s own Holy Father has declared an unholy war on faithful Catholics to whom one owes a duty of faithfulness?
I respectfully ask that you take this message of brotherhood to your fellow bishops. It seems that some fail to recognize that quite a large number of regular parish Catholics have deep roots in, and fraternal concord with, our TLM sisters and brothers communities, and that this suppression of them directly attacks us as well.
Sincerely,
David Spaulding
St. Joseph Parish
Downingtown, PA”
Anyone else find it eerie that the same day ROME does this that Putin scraps the nuclear armament deal?
I know Our Lady of Akita mentioned bishop against bishop and cardinal vs Cardinal and corruption to the top!
I have a difficult time in seeing how these two historical moments are not equally bound up together in a great spiritual mystery.
Fire will rain from the sky, nations will be wiped out, those living will envy the dead.
Sounds like a nuclear statement to me. Rome is limiting its spiritual arms and the temporal world is ramping hers up!
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Perhaps the thing to do is find a local but well known pop singer and have him be the choir for a TLM high Mass. John Doe in concert every Sunday afternoon at st David’s Catholic Church.
Loophole: Just hire Dolly Parton to sing the propers.
I believe that same C 1210 is used to allow protestant rites to be performed on catholic churches.
It just baffles me that in a catholic church, almost any christian rite may be lawfully executed (wether latin catholic, eastern catholic, or even protestant), and even music concerts may be done, except for the Roman Rite of 1967.
I just looked up Title IV on Rescripts in the Code of Canon Law which Fr. Z had mentioned in a previous articles, and it appears to be a huge legal minefield. Canons 59-75 deal with rescripts and present a lengthy list of potential difficulties. This could take years for bishops, their canon lawyers and the Vatican to resolve.
The letter by D Spaulding above is a model of respect, circumspection, and courtesy to the bishop, and charity to all.
I don’t believe there are more than 5 bishops in the US who would take it in good faith and believe a word of it. (Most would dismiss it out of hand, and a goodly share would put Mr. S. on a “watch” list for being a problem.)
I don’t believe there are 2 bishops in the US who would answer it honestly and duly as it deserves. Nor a single one who act on it in the suggested pathway.
In this age, with the cardinals of the world willing to elect a Francis, and with the kinds of bishops he has been appointing, it is no longer possible to believe that the bishops don’t know what’s going on, or understand what they are doing and its natural consequences. After 60 years of it, they almost certainly do know what’s going on, and understand what they are doing. They are wrecking the old church to make a new one more to their liking. They prefer to get rid of the kindly, good Catholics who like the TLM, and they are quite satisfied with the prospect of “pushing them out of the Church”. There might still be a bunch of milquetoast bishops who refuse to admit to themselves that this is the agenda, but deep down they must be at least partly aware of the reality. But more and more of the bishops are outspokenly, brazenly saying what their real agenda is. Others aren’t saying it but are on board.
When the decent archbishop of LA is loudly passed over (again) for a red hat in favor of his suffragan bishop of San Diego, a church-wrecker extraordinaire, you can be sure also that the Vatican, too, is explicitly on board with the wreckovators and not with even thesympathizers of orthodoxy . Letters to “alert” the bishops of all this are probably not going to have much effect. Sadly.