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  • 28 August 2008

    AP: Pelosi gets unwanted lesson in Catholic theology

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 10:48 am

    The MSM is finally noticing that Speaker Nancy Pelosi fell into a theological outhouse where she has, so far, remained now for days.

    Here is an AP story with my emphases and comments.

    Pelosi gets unwanted lesson in Catholic theology

    By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer Thu Aug 28, 3:12 AM ET

    Politics can be treacherous. But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi walked on even riskier ground in a recent TV interview when she attempted a theological defense of her support for abortion rights.

    Roman Catholic bishops consider her arguments on St. Augustine and free will so far out of line with church teaching that they have issued a steady stream of statements to correct her.

    The latest came Wednesday from Pittsburgh Bishop David Zubik, who said Pelosi, D-Calif., "stepped out of her political role and completely misrepresented the teaching of the Catholic Church in regard to abortion."

    It has been a harsh week of rebuke for the Democratic congresswoman, a Catholic school graduate who repeatedly has expressed pride in and love for her religious heritage.

    Cardinals and archbishops in Washington, D.C., Philadelphia, New York and Denver are among those who have criticized her remarks. Archbishop George Niederauer, in Pelosi’s hometown of San Francisco, will take up the issue in the Sept. 5 edition of the archdiocesan newspaper, his spokesman said.

    Sunday, on NBC’s "Meet the Press" program, Pelosi said "doctors of the church" have not been able to define when life begins.

    She also cited the role of individual conscience. "God has given us, each of us, a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions," she said.

    Brendan Daly, a spokesman for Pelosi, said in a statement defending her remarks that she "fully appreciates the sanctity of family" and based her views on conception on the "views of Saint Augustine, who said, ‘The law does not provide that the act (abortion) pertains to homicide, for there cannot yet be said to be a live soul in a body that lacks sensation.‘"

    But whether or not parishioners choose to accept it, the theology on the procedure is clear. From its earliest days, Christianity has considered abortion evil.

    "This teaching has remained unchanged and remains unchangeable," according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. "Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law."

    The Rev. Douglas Milewski, a Seton Hall University theologian who specializes in Augustine, said Pelosi seems to be confusing church teaching on abortion with the theological debate over when a fetus receives a soul.

    "Saint Augustine wondered about the stages of human development before birth, how this related to the question of ensoulment and what it meant for life in the Kingdom of God," Milewski said.

    Questions about ensoulment related to determining penalties under church law for early and later abortions, not deciding whether the procedure is permissible, according to the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities.

    Augustine was "quite clear on the immorality of abortion as evil violence, destructive of the very fabric of human bonds and society," Milewski said.

    Regarding individual decision-making, the church teaches that Catholics are obliged to use their conscience in considering moral issues. However, that doesn’t mean parishioners can pick and choose what to believe and still be in line with the church.

    Lisa Sowle Cahill, a theologian at Boston College, said conscience must be formed by Catholic teaching and philosophical insights. "It’s not just a personal opinion that you came up with randomly," she said.

    Catholic theologians today overwhelmingly consider debate over the morality of abortion settled. Thinkers and activists who attempt to challenge the theology are often considered on the fringes of church life.

    However, there is a rigorous debate over how the teaching should guide voters and public officials. Are Catholics required to choose the candidate who opposes abortion? Or can they back a politician based on his or her policies on reducing, not outlawing, the procedure?

    The U.S. bishops addressed this question in their election-year public policy guide, "Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship."

    They said that voting for a candidate specifically because he or she supports "an intrinsic evil" such as abortion amounts to "formal cooperation in grave evil."

    In some cases, Catholics may vote for a candidate with a position contrary to church teaching, but only for "truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences," according to the document.

    It is a complex discussion. The Rev. Thomas Reese, [Why do people still contact this guy?!?] senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University, has some advice for candidates who seek to join the debate: Stick to politics — and support programs that truly help reduce the number of abortions.

    "It is a big mistake," Reese said, "for politicians to talk theology." [What if they get it right?  ]

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    14 Comments

    1. Has the newspaper of “record”, the New York Times, carried this on its front-page yet? I’m not holding my breath since it cuts
      against the “Agenda.” Unfortunately, Father Z, the mainstream media probably won’t contact you or any other orthodox Catholic priest
      to rebut Ms. Pelosi. Tom

      Comment by TJM — 28 August 2008 @ 10:54 am
    2. This is a funny picture w/ Pelosi as an expert on the Church Fathers:
      http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/Pics/PelosiECF.jpg

      Thanks Fr. Z for the excellent coverage.

      Comment by Anne — 28 August 2008 @ 10:58 am
    3. I forgot the credit – here:
      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2069171/posts

      Now I gotta run to Mass. I hear the bell.

      Comment by Anne — 28 August 2008 @ 11:00 am
    4. You know, the framers of the Constitution inserted the anti-establishment clause into the Constitution to keep the government from creating a state religion. This is what has become known as the so-called “separation of church and state” in the US Constitution. So, religion is not supposed to be banned from public life but the government is supposed to steer clear of trying to manipulate the worship and religious practices of citizens. So, bishops who instruct the members of their own flock on Church teaching to assist them in their voting during an election year are NOT violating the Constitution. In addition, clergy, who do not give up citizenship when being ordained, expressing their beliefs publicly do NOT violate the Constitution. Then we have the Speaker of the House of Representatives. I realize she was answering a direct question from Mr. Brokaw. However, to so manipulate (or attempt to manipulate) Catholic teaching to advance a political agenda and then, when rightly rebuked and rebutted for doing so instead of simply apologizing to issue a statement attempting to re-justify the argument and lecture Church leaders on the theology of their own Church IS, in fact, a violation of the separation of church and state.

      What Pelosi did is precisely the thing the founders of our nation were trying to prevent when writing the Constitution!

      Comment by Fr. Guy — 28 August 2008 @ 11:04 am
    5. Anne – well, I’m sorry. But when it comes to the church fathers, I’m very much a purist! So, if Pelosi is going to assume the part, then she might as well look it…

      Comment by Deusdonat — 28 August 2008 @ 11:22 am
    6. “It is a big mistake,” Reese said, “for politicians me to talk theology.”

      Comment by Aelric — 28 August 2008 @ 11:30 am
    7. Fr., you know theologian Cahill was in one of Obama’s commercials.
      So what she says there makes me want to choke. She claims, I suppose out of the other side of her mouth, that Obama ” understands the pressures families are under. And what it takes to help families thr