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Univ. of Notre Dame and the TLM
I got this from a reader:
Notre Dame’s weekly Tridentine Mass will be starting up again this weekend (for more information, see the Campus Ministry website). Note the later Mass time which, while still far from ideal, will hopefully make it easier for both the die-hards and the curious to attend.
Why yes, that is my poster design. Thanks for noticing. (the image is, I believe, from the St. Andrew’s Missal)
What’s wrong with 9am?
Cool poster!
Comment by Kradcliffe — 28 August 2008 @ 10:40 amNice poster! But from the resolution on my screen, it looks as if “God” is serving up severed heads.
Also, I know this is a point you weren’t intending to make on this thread, but am I the only one who is EXTREMELY uncomfortable with depictions of God the father in any form?
Comment by Deusdonat — 28 August 2008 @ 10:53 amCollege students have an inexplicable tendency to sleep in on Sunday mornings. This was a greater problem when the Mass was held at 8:00—that all but guaranteed that only “die-hards” would attend.
Thanks to Campus Ministries, Fr. Ayo, and Fr. Blantz!
Comment by Ben — 28 August 2008 @ 11:00 am“These are all low Masses, at the St. Charles Borromeo Chapel of Alumni Hall, and are intended for the students, faculty and staff of the University. ”
This is from “The Traditional Latin Mass in Michiana” blog:
http://tlmmichiana.blogspot.com/
In other words it is not taking place in the basilica. Go figure… perhaps it would interfere with the “contemporary” mass?
Comment by Paul — 28 August 2008 @ 11:14 amPaul, actually the Basilica features a heavy dose of Gregorian Chant and Sacred Polyphony at its Sunday Masses. My daughter was married
Comment by TJM — 28 August 2008 @ 1:16 pmat the Basilica this summer and ALL of the music for the Wedding Mass was in Latin. We had a 4 part choir of student musicians sing the Kyrie,
Sanctus/Benedictus and Agnus Dei from Viadana’s Missa Passa L’Hora in addition to Victoria’s Ave Maria, the Franck Panis Angelicus and
the Schubert Ave Maria. The polyphonic Ordinary was, in particular, exquisite. Over time Notre Dame has been moving in the direction of
recovering more and more of the sacred tradition and music. Hence, the seeds were sown for the re-introduction of the TLM. Tom
Paul,
Given the current numbers (hovering around 50 or less, though we’ll see what the time change does for that), the Basilica would be rather cavernous for this Mass. Also, the new time would run right up against (or even overlap) the 10:00 Basilica Mass (which, incidentally, is a far cry from “contemporary,” often incorporating chant and polyphony into their musical program). The chapel in Alumni Hall is quite beautiful and well set up for the celebration of the usus antiquior (the high altar still intact, etc), and all in all, it’s a very good situation.
Comment by Emily — 28 August 2008 @ 1:26 pmNeat. I was hoping to find something like this, I got spoiled knowing where to find St. John Cantius in Chicago, and wasn’t sure what sorts of masses I’d find in South Bend.
Comment by James Garrison — 28 August 2008 @ 1:56 pmAnd we’ll have Sung Masses soon
Stay tuned!!
Comment by Johnny Domer — 28 August 2008 @ 2:07 pmWhy is a 9:00 am start time for Mass far from ideal?
Comment by Terth — 28 August 2008 @ 2:17 pmPraise be to God. When I was at ND, we trads and conservatives had to huddle around a fire like urchins for support.
Comment by Supertradmom — 28 August 2008 @ 8:26 pmI understand that the basilica has good music and I am aware of the size. I attend mass there regularly- so do a lot of other non-domers in the area(aka: South Bend residents). However, With such a beautiful resource as the basilica, why not utilize it in conjunction with TLM. People from outside the domer community do not necessarily feel comfortable entering into the less public areas of the university. It’s like wearing tennis shoes with a suit; it just doesn’t meet the potential. My sarcastic comment at the end of the last post comes from personal experience of some HC priest and the fact that ND still allows stuff like the Vag. M. in direct defiance of the Bishop of the FWSB Diocese. So basically it all boils down to an annoyance of ND falling short in faithfully embracing its Catholic identity.
Comment by Paul — 28 August 2008 @ 9:32 pmP.S. The link I provided in my previous post is not a link to a bunch of nay saying, it links to mass schedules and locations for TLM in the Michigan/Indiana area. And I realize ND has come a long way…
Deusdonat,
I too am uncomfortable with artistic depictions of God the Father.
It is a beautiful image, but something about seeing the Father in
human form that bugs me. I can’t put my finger on exactly why. Maybe
because it reminds me of Mormonism, or maybe because of the common atheist
canard that Christians worship a big “Santa Claus” in the sky.
To get back on topic, this is a very good development at ND. I graduated
only 5 years ago, but am amazed by how much has already changed as far
as tradition goes. When I was there, there was a decent amount of
sympathy for tradition among the devout undergrads, but we didn’t have
anything like what we’re seeing now. I think a lot of the energy among
the devout undergrads was channeled into promoting orthodoxy in the face of
the heterodoxy that sometimes was quite entrenched at ND. We recognized
the importance of liturgical matters, but that wasn’t the main focus. But
this is really excellent news, and even more excellent is the fact that
Campus Ministry is fully supporting this.
My Latin is very rusty, but in the spirit of things . .
Comment by AJP — 28 August 2008 @ 9:32 pmIte Hiberniani!
Michigania fellat :)
Deusdonat asked: am I the only one who is EXTREMELY uncomfortable with depictions of God the father in any form?
By no means. There are millions of people who are uncomfortable with that, though many of them aren’t Catholic, or even Christian. It is, nevertheless, very much an intregral part of Catholic sacred art. If the Second and Third Persons of the Blessed Trinity may be depicted, there can’t be anything wrong with depicting the Person of the Father (and I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Father depicted except in symbolic representations of the Trinity, usually the Trinitarian Action of the Atonement).
Comment by Jordanes — 28 August 2008 @ 10:05 pmJust a friendly reminder (and a plug):
The Mass at Notre Dame is intended for the University community, and the chapel is in a residence hall.
If you aren’t a student, or a member of the faculty or staff of the university, you are welcome to attend the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite at St. Patrick’s Catholic Church in South Bend. All Sundays at 7:45 am (1st and 3rd Sundays are sung Masses), and Holy Days of Obligation at 7:00pm.
St. Patrick’s is the oldest church in South Bend (there’s actually one older, but when it was built it was not at that time in the city limits). Beautiful St. Patrick’s was designed for the Traditional Latin Mass, and the high altar is intact and in use! The priest who offers the Mass is Fr. George Gabet of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter.
A note about the Mass at Notre Dame… I think the people that need to be thanked are the students, a rather large handful, whose efforts, tenacity, and prayers so quickly brought the Extraordinary Form to the university. Within in only a co