Life imitates art! The American Catholic Council’s “Litany of Lament”

From the American Catholic Council’s program.  On the opening day they had a moving and meaningful paraliturgy which included the

Litany of Lament.

Here it is from their program. I add some comments:

(When the female lector reads, FROM THE FOUR WINDS COME, O SPIRIT, Spirit-bearers waving banners enter the assembly from four directions.  As they pass by your seat, please rise up!). [Rise up... get it?  Huh?]

Presider [a woman.  Should that be "presideress"?]: O Holy God hear us as we cry to you.  Our Church is filled with dried bones in a world hungering for your Life.  [Correction: Cobo Center was filled with dry bones.]

Litany of Lament:

Refrain from the Veni Sancte Spiritus [Which turns this whole thing into a form of blasphemy, actually.]

1. Weakened by structures that ignore your Wisdom [I suspect they are using this as a kind of code or shorthand.  Feminists call the Spirit "Sophia", which they say is feminine, and therefore the Spirit is feminine.  Get it?  Huh?] speaking through the people of god, we cry…

2. Angered by church leaders who protect pedofiles and persecute prophets, we cry…

3. (In Spanish): Denied Eucharist because of the failure to address the priest shortage, we cry.

4. Aching for the Eucharist to be celebrated as nourishment for sinners, not a reward for good behavior, we cry…

5. Wondering why we are closing parishes rather than opening ordination, we cry…

6. (In German): Longing to celebrate creative theologians rather than mourn their marginalization, we cry… [Remember... Hans Kung was supposed to be there.  This is pure sucking up.]

7. Oppressed by rigid structures of racism, we cry…

8. Blind to the beauty of God’s image in gay and lesbian people we cry…

9. Betrayed by church structures that promote sexism and misogyny, we cry… [Wow.  Things are pretty bad in these structures. At this point in the Litany you expect someone is going to bring in razor blades so they can all slit their wrists.]

10. Outraged by bishops’ refusal to use structures of their own creation to be accountable to survivors of clergy sex abuse, we cry…

11. Dismayed by our own guild and failure to confront the structures of abuse, we cry… [They really have a thing about structures, don't they?]

12. Amidst the shattered images of godliness and ministry, we cry…

[Then after 2 minutes of silent prayer a women presider in white says :]

In silence, please join in the ancient Christian gesture signifying the presence of the Holy Spirit, the laying on of hands.  Place your hands on the head of your neighbor and pray silently, acknowledging the gift of the Spirit within them.  The allow your neighbor to pray silently over you.

Then they prayed a prayer composed by Pope John XXIII used at the beginning of all the sessions of the Second Vatican Council.

It’s a Council.. get it?  They are the one’s taking the roles of bishops at a Council?  Huh?  GET IT?

I wonder if that blue rinse stuff comes off on your hands.  Dunno.

Dismayed… Outraged… Aching… Wondering… Longing…Oppressed…Angered… Weakened….Denied….Blind… Betrayed… Amidst… oppps that one didn’t fit.

Once again I am reminded of the Little Rascals films where the kids have a show in the big barn.  You know… Darla, Spanky, Buckwheat, Alfalfa.

They too, those little rascals, in their little films, played the role of the poor and the oppressed.  They too struggled against the rich kids of the neighborhood. They broke boundaries of sexism and racism.. and speciesism.  They had their canine pal with a ring around … ummmm… its eye named… I am not making this up… named Pansy.

So, breaking all sorts of barriers!

It was a spirited group.  And this is what most of the participants of the ACC watched when they were kids!  Errr… height-challenged, Mother-Earth-annual-orbit-deprived autonomous persons.

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80 Responses to Life imitates art! The American Catholic Council’s “Litany of Lament”

  1. catholicmidwest says:

    Fr. Z,
    [They really have a thing about structures, don't they?]

    That’s because probably about half of them are church employees now or have been in the past. Lots of laicized married priests, etc.

  2. benedetta says:

    Fr. Z the people in the photo, they are not doing it right. It says, (First) “Place your hands on the head of your neighbor”, then (Step Two) “Allow your neighbor to…” Those people in the photo seem to be playing Twister. That is also very big where I am. For confirmandi on retreat.

  3. a catechist says:

    Simply beyond parody.

  4. benedetta says:

    I would go with video number 2. So sweet those lil rascals. They don’t make kids tv like they used to do they.

  5. St. Louis IX says:

    REVOLTING! Yet sure enough, someone will defend this obscenity, perhaps even with a quote from the catechism of the Council of Trent!!
    Very Sad………

  6. dirtycopper says:

    Father, in the interest of science can you share with us the amount of duct tape used to wrap your head to keep it from exploding while witnessing this mess?

  7. Schiavona says:

    Speechless. Lord, have mercy.

  8. APX says:

    Wow…How can they use the word, “Catholiic” when, even I with my watered-down Catholic upbringing, know what they’re saying is heresy, and can understand why what they say and do is abhorrently wrong???

  9. GTW says:

    My immediate gut impression is that this ceremony has the feel of something positively pagan- complete with the Vulcan mind-meld…

  10. AnAmericanMother says:

    I suppose it’s too much to ask to have Pete the Pup bite some good sense into the whole gang of malefactors?

    This is beyond parody. It’s just evil. The Episcopal Church Welcomes You. Please stand not upon the order of your going, but go – at once.

    For your listening pleasure, here’s a better version of “How Ya Gonna Keep ‘em Down on the Farm (After they’ve seen Paree)” — Arthur Field’s 1919 recording. The words are actually comprehensible:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYflT3h6lCQ

  11. RichR says:

    Sad to see this type of thing. But as I listened to the petitions at my own parish, it seemed like the greatest sin was not actualizing your own potential, or being intolerant of others who are different. While it is easy to sit and point fingers at the nonsense listed above in Fr. Z’s post, how easy is it to serve up the PC pablum that infects our mainstream parishes. I don’t judge any of the people that make these types of petitions, but I can judge the content. There is oftentimes very little substance in these ad libbed parts of a Mass (just as there is very little substance in the above ad libbed “liturgy”).

    The funny thing is, while I was listening to my pastor’s (great) homily about the Church speaking with one voice in contrast to the Tower of Babel, the only thing I could think of was….LATIN. We used to speak with one voice,and it used to be the same prayers that we spoke all over the globe in praise of God…………..but……

    {sigh}

  12. RichR says:

    [CORRECTION] ….how easy IT IS to serve up the pablum….

  13. Joe in Canada says:

    “the ancient Christian gesture signifying the presence of the Holy Spirit, the laying on of hands. Place your hands on the head of your neighbor and pray silently, acknowledging the gift of the Spirit within them.”

    I think they got this wrong. The ancient Christian gesture of the laying on of hands signifies the giving or transmission of the Holy Spirit, not the recognition of it.

  14. Salvatore_Giuseppe says:

    “3. (In Spanish): Denied Eucharist because of the failure to address the priest shortage, we cry.

    5. Wondering why we are closing parishes rather than opening ordination, we cry…”

    As a former seminarian, I saw plenty being done to increase vocations. I saw traditional views of the priesthood being promoted, orthodoxy, a sense of sacrifice, and the joy of a life of service being promoted to young men. I saw “structures” producing videos like Fishers of Men to show what being a priest is all about. I saw those same “structures” celebrating the Year for Priests, where prayers were offered daily that God would call more men, and that more men would hear His call.

    Somehow though, I don’t think that’s what these folks had in mind

  15. Sandy says:

    Oh brother! I just ate lunch – hard to keep from losing it! Have to agree with RichR – the “petitions” at Mass also often make me gag – who writes that drivel? Just heard one petition about social justice, the new god (or not so new; we’ve been hearing it for years). It takes precedence over the supernatural. Yes, American Mother, we wish they would go; but in a book exposing feminism in the Church, one of these feminazis said they didn’t want to go! They want to change the Church from within! Blessed Mother pray for us, and St. Michael defeat the evil!

  16. Random Friar says:

    The men have been far more transparent than the sisters in the Abuse Crisis. Talk about “structures!”. This part is rank hypocrisy.

  17. wolskerj says:

    “I wonder if that blue rinse stuff comes off on your hands”

    Shame on you Fr. Z, you made my wife choke on her Mystic Monk coffee with that one. She laughed so hard I thought she was going to pass out. She’s still getting her breath back and drying her eyes.

    All joking aside, these people are in serious need of our prayers.

  18. Maltese says:

    This “litany” is great comedy! I especially like Longing to celebrate creative theologians. LOL!

    It should be: longing to celebrate manifest heretics like Kung and Rahner! Creative indeed! Great writers of fiction both!

  19. fieldsparrow says:

    What. The. [Redacted]. Why? What? I really don’t get it.

    Failure to address priest shortages? By what, ordaining women? Haven’t we already, you know, had the final word on this? For like, 2000 years?

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.

  20. PaterAugustinus says:

    Their “Litany of Lament” sounds more like a “Concatenation of Blame.” Can they not hear how they pray like the Pharisee: “O Lord, I thank you that you have not made me like those other miscreants with their structures of abuse. Thank you for making me a chosen prophet of peoplechurch. Now sic your avenging flame upon those I here anathematize.” The only time they criticize themselves, is for being too remiss as regards the judging and persecution of others. Why don’t they just have done with the pretense of piety, and show themselves for the Grand Inquisitors they really are (but claim to hate)?

    Presidentrix: “Betrayed by those who dare challenge us to transcend and crucify our petty whims and agendas, and bitterly grieved by their wholly unjust hegemony over authentic spiritual peace and a well-adjusted mindset, let us heap up unjust contumely against them and pray…”

    Peoplechurch response: “Come to us, sophia sprite, twist and kink each thing that’s straight; kindle afresh our aging hate.”

    May the true Spirit of God, Who, cleansing the chamber of man’s heart from its sins, renders it whiter than snow, deign to visit and heal our infirmities.

  21. Bruce says:

    Dismayed… Outraged… Aching… Wondering… Longing…Oppressed…Angered… Weakened….Denied….Blind… Betrayed

    St. Ignatius of Loyola Discernment of Spirits:
    Ignatius believed that these interior movements were caused by “good spirits” and “evil spirits.” We want to follow the action of a good spirit and reject the action of an evil spirit. Discernment of spirits is a way to understand God’s will or desire for us in our life.

    Consolation and Desolation

    The feelings stirred up by good and evil spirits are called “consolation” and “desolation” in the language of Ignatian spirituality.

    Spiritual consolation is an experience of being so on fire with God’s love that we feel impelled to praise, love, and serve God and help others as best as we can. Spiritual consolation encourages and facilitates a deep sense of gratitude for God’s faithfulness, mercy, and companionship in our life. In consolation, we feel more alive and connected to others.

    Spiritual desolation, in contrast, is an experience of the soul in heavy darkness or turmoil. We are assaulted by all sorts of doubts, bombarded by temptations, and mired in self-preoccupations. We are excessively restless and anxious and feel cut off from others. Such feelings, in Ignatius’s words, “move one toward lack of faith and leave one without hope and without love.”

  22. medievalist says:

    Thank you for going to this event Father Z…I sense that it’s provided enough material for the rest of the year!

  23. Jack Orlando says:

    Per Fr. Z’s report, these folk seem mostly to be born between 1945 and 1960 — the generation for whom the defining events were the “duck and cover” of the atomic bomb drills, the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights movement, the Sexual Revolution, Puff the Magic Dragon, and the Beatles appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1964. And as sexual revolutionaries … but we know that agenda. They are rightly called “The Destructive Generation”. Now put self before destructive.

    That those of the following generation, born between 1960 and 1975 — for whom the defining event was the Star Wars Trilogy — can get a good horse laugh out of the Self-Destructives speaks well for it. Perhaps also Star Wars engendered in them a longing for mystery.

  24. Pachomius says:

    ” Feminists call the Spirit “Sophia”, which they say is feminine, and therefore the Spirit is feminine. Get it? ”
    Actually, yes, Fr, I do. So far, we’ve made the mistake of classing these people as liberals or as modernists. They’re neither: they’re gnostics.

    “… pedofiles …”
    Furthermore, they’re gnostics who can’t spell “paedophiles”. Not even in the American manner, without the ‘a’.

    “9. Betrayed by church structures”…
    Who knew a simple nave could cause so much evil?

  25. Charles E Flynn says:

    Were any of the alleged prophets of lament #2 named?

    I recall, years ago, simply refusing to say “Lord hear our prayer” after some dimwitted drivel about our all being oppressed by people with Ph.D.s was read during the petitions. From that day on, I found myself remaining silent on about one out of fifteen of the petitions. I amused myself by thinking (dispassionate voice of Nurse Chapel) “WARNING: petitionary prayers have been contaminated by content of the platform of the Democratic National Committee. Take evasive action immediately.”

  26. Peggy R says:

    All good, except the dog was Petey.

    Also, resentments like these can destroy a person’s soul.

  27. Cantor says:

    Gee, Father. You completely misunderstood their effort to AVOID blasphemy.

    “Refrain from the Veni Sancte Spiritus”

    No. Really. In conjunction with the rest of this trash, refrain from it!

  28. avecrux says:

    “Blind to the beauty of God’s image in gay and lesbian people we cry…”
    That’s a weird one. Are they claiming to be blind???

  29. Mundabor says:

    “Refrain from the Veni Sancte Spiritus”

    because he won’t show up anyway.

    The one with the “banners entering the assembly from four directions” tells you what would become of the Liturgy if the Church would leave it to wymmyn.

    M

  30. Mundabor says:

    A propos “Life Imitates Art”, if anyone has read Tom Wolfe’s “The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test” he will be instantly reminded of the “merry pranksters” 40 years later; and no, it’s not a compliment.

    M

  31. Velle Mere says:

    Although I’m not a member of the SSPX, I think a Rosary Ambush, like the one that occurred here (http://www.sspx.org/RCRpdfs/2004_rcrs/march_%202004_rcr.pdf), would have been a fine sight to see.

  32. Stu says:

    What are these “structures” and how can I get one? They seem very effective.

  33. kittenchan says:

    From the article linked by Tom Smith:

    “They participated despite a strict order from Archbiship Allen Vigneron for priests and deacons to not take part in today’s Mass because it was led by groups considered heretical by the Catholic Church and could violate Church law. Vigneron warned in a letter that clergy could be punished and defrocked for participating in the Mass.

    Rev. Bob Wurm, 78, a retired Catholic priest, presided over the Mass and Eucharistic prayer to some 1,500 assembled inside Cobo Center today. Wurn told the Free Press afterwards he was aware that Archbishiop Allen Vigneron had explicilty warned all priests and deacons to not participate. *But he said he’s not worried being punished.*

    “I don’t see that happening,” Wurm said. “I’m older than he (Vigneron) is.”

    Wurm criticized Vigneron’s letter that told clergy to stay away.

    “He was making a big mistake,” Wurm said.

    A spokesman for Archbishop Vigneron could not be immediately reached for comment.”

    And that is exactly the perpetuating problem – progressives know they can get away with it. They’ve gotten away with murder for decades. Yeah, a letter saying “Don’t do this, or else!” is more promising than no letter at all, but it’s false promise. I’m not going to hold my breath until something happens. In fact I’d take money bets that nothing substantial will happen.

    Never mind me, I’ll just be banging my head against the wall wondering why nothing’s being done.

  34. fieldsparrow says:

    @kittenchan, in re: “And that is exactly the perpetuating problem – progressives know they can get away with it. They’ve gotten away with murder for decades. Yeah, a letter saying “Don’t do this, or else!” is more promising than no letter at all, but it’s false promise. I’m not going to hold my breath until something happens. In fact I’d take money bets that nothing substantial will happen.”

    – I would imagine Archbp. Vigneron has probably been busy in the hours since this happened, so I’m not quite ready to just write it off yet.

  35. inara says:

    please tell us you went to Detroit for some other reason…filling in for the Shadow Priest at RCTV perhaps??

  36. Y2Y says:

    Definitely a Vulcan mind-meld. Live long and prosper.

    Would be interesting to read the statistics of how many of these convention goers pass away from year to year.

  37. Kerry says:

    Did they also hit themselves in the foreheads with 1×6′s?

  38. Glen M says:

    The next few Vortex episodes are going to be can’t miss iTV.

  39. chloesmom says:

    Goodness, such drama! Why on earth don’t these peole grow up and stop whining? They give the rest of us over-60s a bad name!

  40. chloesmom says:

    I meant PEOPLE, of course! (Gosh, must be senility kicking in early – amazing how time creeps up on us, isn’t it? Beware, Father – it happens to EVERYONE (even you).

  41. benedetta says:

    “In German” LOL!

  42. yatzer says:

    chloesmom, my sentiments exactly.

  43. Young Canadian RC Male says:

    Father, How did you end up going to this and getting out not only alive but unconstested, yelled at, etc.??? Surely these people know who’s not a libby as it were on the internet???

  44. yatzer says:

    Um, I meant about the original sentiment, not about anyone’s senility, let alone Fr. Z. Or chloesmom for that matter.

  45. JP Borberg says:

    @Kerry

    That would have involved them chanting in Latin. And having a sense of humour.

  46. Here’s the lastest from the Archdiocese of Detroit. I had to cobble together a post from three different sources, each of which gave the broader picture of what took place there. It includes video from a local ABC affiliate.

    http://te-deum.blogspot.com/2011/06/archbishop-vigneron-responds-to-defiant.html

    Seriously, let’s pray for these people. I’m saddened to see the depth of their defiance.

  47. Peter in Canberra says:

    Carcasonne.

  48. I love a good caption contest! For the litany of lament, photo #1:

    “My mind to your mind. Your thoughts to my thoughts.”

    (-Ambassador Sarek mind-melding Picard in Star Trek, the Next Generation)

  49. Karen Russell says:

    Lord, have mercy on my generation!

    Kyrie eleison. Christe eleison. Kyrie eleison.

  50. Fr. Basil says:

    \\4. Aching for the Eucharist to be celebrated as nourishment for sinners, not a reward for good behavior, we cry…\\

    That’s been my understanding of the Eucharist, for are we not all sinners. One of the classical Syriac liturgies has a Communion hymn, “O food of those wayfaring….”

  51. They are all wearing stoles. Isn’t that MEANINGFUL!

    (With all the talk of structures, you would think that they are frustrated architects.)

  52. EXCHIEF says:

    Fr Erik
    They are frustrated all right–about all of the wrong stuff. Actually they are frustrated that the Catholic Faith is all about God rather than them–after all they are part of the it’s all about me, if it feels good do it, yadda yadda generation.

  53. Detroit happens to be one of the places where true liturgical renewal has been at its strongest. That’s probably why Satan has been harder at work there, trying to resurrect the spiritually and liturgically half-dead to continue the deconstructionist work of the 1950′s and 1960′s.

  54. LisaP. says:

    “Everywhere I go I’m asked if I think the university stifles writers. My opinion is that they don’t stifle enough of them.”
    Flannery O’Connor

  55. digdigby says:

    As for the first photo I can’t decide if it is A) Phrenologists convention or B) How to tell if a Catholic cantaloupe is ripe.

  56. wanda says:

    digdigby, Ha! Good one, ripe cantaloupes! LOL!

  57. s i says:

    @aurorachristine
    I love a good caption contest! For the litany of lament, photo #1:
    “My mind to your mind. Your thoughts to my thoughts.”
    (-Ambassador Sarek mind-melding Picard in Star Trek, the Next Generation)

    OH MY GOSH! I can’t stop laughing!!!!! That is P-E-R-F-E-C-T

  58. JKnott says:

    Tomorrow is the Feast of St. Anthony, “Hammer of Heretics”.

  59. Sandra_in_Severn says:

    Fr. Z, to maybe lift your spirits, the Church is still alive and well and still growing. Our little Catholic Parish celebrated today’s feast with all the bells (chimes) and whistles (well, their was a thurible being swung around a bit). Also a new crop of altar servers, all young boys under the tutelage of our Deacon and his wife, (two are their grandsons).

  60. Gail F says:

    PaterAugustinus wrote:” O Lord, I thank you that you have not made me like those other miscreants with their structures of abuse. Thank you for making me a chosen prophet of peoplechurch. Now sic your avenging flame upon those I here anathematize.” ROTFL!!!!!! I am still laughing!

    I think I like the part about the “Spirit bearers” carrying banners best. 1) Doesn’t the fact that they are carrying banners make them banner bearers instead? And 2) If everyone is supposed to then recognize the Spirit in their neighbors, doesn’t that make them ALL “Spirit bearers”? Continuity, people!!!

  61. pjthom81 says:

    Well…these people are old…and their movement will die. Two cheers for that.

    But not three. The reasons are, I think, evident to all who pay attention. I am normally an optimist and so this is a bit out of character, but it seems to me that many of the 60′s dissented within the Church. Now those who dissent simply don’t show up or bother attempting to debate the Church. Basically, the 60′s gave us a secularized Catholicism. The new century may give us a militantly anti-Catholic secularism….at least if the gay marriage debate is any hint.

    This has all happened before. I think the most obvious candidate is the Jansenist heresy coming about just before the French Revolutionaries….but all of the great rebellions of the Church seem to follow the same pattern. Luther’s revolt and the French Revolution ala the philosophes are I believe the most obvious candidates.

    Here is what bothers me. Beforehand we had educated bodies that rose up to fight back. This time these earlier revolutions are compounded by this latest wave and we are pretty low on ammunition. I do not insult either the Holy Father nor the ranks of the clergy who seem sounder than they have been in quite some time. However, our educational bodies still fall under the sway of secularized Catholicism, and as a fairly young person (I just turned 30) I do not see as much enthusiasm among the youth as I would wish.

    Brick by brick….but it seems clear to me that we can not fight a culture war without our educational institutions. Where are the new Jesuits? The story confirms that one war is drawing to an end…but its effects are still out in the general culture.

  62. Art says:

    @Fr. Basil:

    I with don’t doubt for a moment that the eucharist is spiritual food for sinners but it is for repentant sinners in the RC church. The problem here with that particular statement in this ‘litany’ is how it fits with all the others in the list: they want the church to affirm their sins rather than correct them.

  63. Central Valley says:

    Shades of the three days of darkness annual event in Lost Angeles under Cardinal Mahony.

  64. Widukind says:

    presideress ? – how about a little shuffle, to get CIDERPRESS! Why not give the old gal the sour grapes award?

  65. Fr Deacon Daniel says:

    I never knew the Vulcan Mind Meld was the 8th sacrament…

  66. patrick_f says:

    Look slike a shorter list of a 95 point thesis if you ask me.

  67. eyeclinic says:

    C’mon…give these folks their due. It’s what they always do:”Say the charcoal…do the pink!”

  68. Legisperitus says:

    [Correction: Cobo Center was filled with dry bones.]

    And the head bone’s connected to the … tail bone.

  69. benedetta says:

    My child is actually building a structure right now. He is a male child so it is a structure, constructed, by a male person. I don’t think the structure is inherently evil. It’s just a structure.

    Sometimes the thought has crossed my mind that something such as a Gropius is an inherently evil structure. But I don’t think it has that sort of power. In some aspects certainly it might tend to deaden the senses.

    But why would they care about structures in other dioceses etc. because they say that it a Bishop of Rome is just a Bishop of Rome and nothing more? Who cares what Hans Kung has to say since he is just some guy in another diocese, in Europe, where we do not even speak his language (perhaps plural?) since we are Americans and never comprehend other languages too much. There is nothing special about him. Or is there…

  70. LisaP. says:

    pjthom81,

    I hold out some hope that at least some people will move away from the standard sources of educational knowledge that have become corrupted, degraded, and stultified. There are other ways to learn and know than through an established large university. Here’s hoping folks will understand that education is not dependent upon an institutional system. It would be nice if a Catholic order would take up the standard in that regard.

  71. benedetta says:

    “Y2Y says:
    12 June 2011 at 6:36 pm
    Definitely a Vulcan mind-meld. Live long and prosper.”

    Mind-meld! L. O. L. !

  72. Fr Martin Fox says:

    Father:

    Are you attending incognito? Are you in camoflage?

    Once your mission is complete, will you publish a picture of you in disguise? (Grey pony-tail, purple Nehru shirt, and a tie-dyed head band perhaps?)

    You might as well post the picture, because some creative reader will surely photoshop it!

  73. Patti Day says:

    LisaP.

    I too hold out some hope. We may never get back the bricks and mortor institutions we had, and perhaps these become white elephants over time anyway, but as you say there are other ways to learn (and teach). The internet has taken on an increasingly important role in a few short years, an adjunct to Catholic television programming originally, they may already have exceeded it. If the numbers of blogs by Catholic priests, deacons, religious orders, and laity haven’t increased exponentially, then at least my awareness of them has. I try to introduce others to these sites as a mini-ministry.

  74. I’ll tell you, you guys wouldn’t be so quick to point fingers if you’d ever had a monkey in your bustle. Isn’t that what Fr. Z is really saying here?

  75. Brad says:

    The intense chagrin in reading about this event has been perfectly balanced by the rosary ambush pdf a commentator linked. Now that was beautiful.

  76. chonak says:

    So was this a sort of ordination-by-the-congregation as practiced by certain sects?

  77. Centristian says:

    The NCR features an article about the ACC meeting headlined “Baptism, not bishops or pope, unites Church”. The article focuses on an address by “theologian” Anthony T. Padovano. Mr. Padovano used what I thought was an interesting example to demonstrate his point that “law is not valid unless it is accepted by the community”:

    “When Pope John XXIII in 1962 ordered that all seminary courses be taught in Latin, virtually all seminaries ignored it because many of their professors couldn’t speak it and many students couldn’t understand it, and ‘Rome allowed the contrary custom to prevail’ over the papal order, he said.”

    Well, Father Z, there is the authoritative answer to your perplexion over why Latin is no longer taught in the seminaries: the Sovereign Pontiff’s legislation was invalid because it wasn’t accepted by the community.

    And if we apply the same logic to the Ten Commandments?

  78. Centristian: Well, Father Z, there is the authoritative answer to your perplexion over why Latin is no longer taught in the seminaries: the Sovereign Pontiff’s legislation was invalid because it wasn’t accepted by the community.

    LOL! YES! That’s it.

  79. amenamen says:

    Land O’Lakes, Wisconsin July 23, 1967.
    STATEMENT ON THE NATURE OF THE CONTEMPORARY CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY
    What grade would you give this essay, if it were composed by a sophomore in high school?

    http://archives.nd.edu/episodes/visitors/lol/idea.htm
    SIGNED BY THE SEMINAR PARTICIPANTS
    Twenty six signers. Some interesting names. Where are they now?

    Rev. Gerard J. Campbell, S.J.
    Mr. John Cogley
    Rev. Charles F. Donovan, S.J.
    Most Rev. John J. Dougherty
    Rev. Thomas R. Fitzgerald. S.J.
    Rev. F. Raymond Fowerbaugh
    Most Rev. Paul J. Hallinan
    Rev. Robert J. Henle, S.J.
    Rev. Theodore M. Hesburgh, C.S.C.
    Very Rev. Howard J. Kenna, C.S.C.
    Mr. Robert D. Kidera
    Very Rev. Germain-M. Lalande, C.S.C.
    Rev. Felipe E. MacGregor, S.J.
    Right Rev. Theodore E. McCarrick
    Rev. Neil G. McCluskey, S.J.
    Rev. Leo McLaughlin, S.J.
    Very Rev. Vincent T. O’Keefe, S.J.
    Right Rev. Alphonse-Marie Parent
    Rev. Paul C. Reinert, S.J.
    M. L’abbé Lorenzo Roy
    Mr. Daniel L. Schlafly
    Dr. George N. Shuster
    Mr. Edmund A. Stephan
    M. L’abbé Lucien Vachon
    Rev. John E. Walsh, C.S.C.
    Rev. Michael P. Walsh, S.J.