HUGE! CDF to LCWR

Will this be the moment the National Schismatic Reporter crowd turns on Francis?

This is new.  It does NOT refer to their meeting of some months ago.

From news.va:

COMMUNIQUE OF THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH CONCERNING A MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENCY OF THE LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE OF WOMEN RELIGIOUS IN THE USA

Today the Superiors of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith met with the Presidency of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) in the United States of America. Most Rev. J. Peter Sartain, Archbishop of Seattle and the Holy See’s Delegate for the Doctrinal Assessment of the LCWR, also participated in the meeting.

As this was his first opportunity to meet with the Presidency of the LCWR, the Prefect of the Congregation, Most Rev. Gerhard Ludwig Müller, expressed his gratitude for the great contribution of women Religious to the Church in the United States as seen particularly in the many schools, hospitals, and institutions of support for the poor which have been founded and staffed by Religious over the years.

The Prefect then highlighted the teaching of the Second Vatican Council regarding the important mission of Religious to promote a vision of ecclesial communion founded on faith in Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Church as faithfully taught through the ages under the guidance of the Magisterium (Cf. Lumen gentium, nn. 43-47). He also emphasized that a Conference of Major Superiors, such as the LCWR, exists in order to promote common efforts among its member Institutes as well as cooperation with the local Conference of Bishops and with individual Bishops. For this reason, such Conferences are constituted by and remain under the direction of the Holy See (Cf. Code of Canon Law, cann. 708-709).

Finally, Archbishop Müller informed the Presidency that he had recently discussed the Doctrinal Assessment with Pope Francis, [FRANCIS!] who reaffirmed the findings of the Assessment and the program of reform for this Conference of Major Superiors.

It is the sincere desire of the Holy See that this meeting may help to promote the integral witness of women Religious, based on a firm foundation of faith and Christian love, so as to preserve and strengthen it for the enrichment of the Church and society for generations to come.

This is big news.

And now we will watch to see how the sisters and their supporters react.

 

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45 Responses to HUGE! CDF to LCWR

  1. Legisperitus says:

    This may indeed be the moment they start to turn.

  2. TNCath says:

    The honeymoon is over, Sisters. I wonder how Sister Joan Chittister will spin this one?

  3. wmeyer says:

    The beauty of this is that the reminders have been given purely in the context of Vatican II declarations, and I would suppose that many of these women believe they are doing what the Council decreed. Wake up call, perhaps the last.

  4. Rocco O. says:

    The good “Sisters” will soon turn on His Holiness. Viva il Papa!

  5. A genuine ‘thank God’ for that. It is a sure signal of the rightness of the assertion that Pope Francis is NOT the herald of some brave new world (in spite of some wishful thinking from liberals), but a true and humble successor of St Peter, speaking in concert with his immediate predecessors.

  6. Skeinster says:

    In other news:
    Yesterday, the local Carmel had the clothing of another new member. Their numbers have doubled, from nine to nineteen in the last two or three years.
    One of our former parishioners will be entering a Carmel in Nebraska soon.
    On Low Sunday, several sister from the local house of the Missionaries of Charity were our guests at Mass.
    This weekend, four sister of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (the Still River ones) were here for the second year to put on two day camps: one for families on Friday, one for girls only on Saturday. They had goodies for sale and I got their denim apron I’ve been “admiring” (coveting) on two of our Altar Guild team. And the tote bag.

    Prayers for the LCWR to recover their lost heritage.

  7. frjim4321 says:

    Does this letter refer to a meeting that just happened (a ‘new’ meeting), or the well-publicized meeting that took place many months ago? It seems like old news. First, we don’t even have the response of the LCWR yet. I don’t think retrogressive forces will have much luck using a letter like this as a wedge between women religious and the new pope.

  8. frjim4321 says: many months ago?

    Nooooo. This is new. This happened today.

    Your confusion probably comes from the fact that the sisters did not know what was about to hit them and, therefore, did not leak the bad news in advance.

    I suggest that you buy Mystic Monk Coffee… and, please… try to keep up?

  9. CatholicMD says:

    I assume “today” doesn’t mean weeks ago Fr Jim.

  10. bposullivan says:

    It was a new meeting–the first with Muller as head of CDF–and LCWR has now responded, saying “The conversation was open and frank. We pray that these conversations may bear fruit for the good of the Church.” ( https://lcwr.org/media/news/lcwr-statement-meeting-cdf-0 )

    “Open and frank” sounds like it might be diplomatic speak for not very friendly. On the other hand, it’s not very surprising that the new pope would show continuity by affirming a recent assessment; we’ll have to wait and see whether there is a change in tone and some kind of tangible progress towards resoving the situation.

    [Pope Francis did not have to approve this. He did approve it.]

  11. Sister H. says:

    Fr. Jim,
    It must be recent because of the statement “Finally, Archbishop Müller informed the Presidency that he had recently discussed the Doctrinal Assessment with Pope Francis, who reaffirmed the findings of the Assessment and the program of reform for this Conference of Major Superiors.”
    Many people were celebrating their false belief that Because PBXVI was no longer Pope, the LCWR reform would be dropped. Thanks be to God (and thank you to Pope Francis!), this MUCH needed medicinal remedy will be continued…let us pray that the disease isn’t too far gone to be cured (though I personally feel that the patient is near death and will require miraculous intervention to survive). Let us pray, also, for those who have been infected by the dreadful disease spread by the LCWR. May we all come to the good health of orthodoxy & orthopraxy!

  12. Sister H. says:

    I see many of us were posting a reply to Fr. Jim at the same time. “Great minds…”! ;)

  13. JabbaPapa says:

    the Presidency of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) in the United States of America

    The fact that this person is not designated by name in the communiqué, but rather referred to by this 16-word evasion, is a CLEAR diplomatic snub.

    I’m unsure if it’s charitable or not to point this out to them…

  14. Long-Skirts says:

    Sister H. said:

    “Let us pray, also, for those who have been infected by the dreadful disease spread by the LCWR. May we all come to the good health of orthodoxy & orthopraxy!”

    A
    NUN’S
    MOM

    My daughter smoked
    Her cigarettes
    My daughter drank
    Her wine

    But suddenly
    She stopped it all
    For something
    More Divine

    Some say she fell
    Into a hole
    Where went the
    Alice rabbit

    By putting on
    That churchy veil
    And brown
    Franciscan habit

    “Oh, my, poor thing
    A modern girl
    How could she make
    That choice?

    Of course you know
    It is the Church
    They give their girls
    No voice.”

    When I repeat
    Their words to her
    She smiles and says,
    “All’s well.”

    But little me
    Oppressed, no voice
    Shouts…
    “They can go to H*ll!” (Amen)

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  16. Bulletin:

    1. Pope Is Catholic.
    2. LCWR expresses surprise and dismay but couches it in nuanced diplomatese.
    3. Fishwrap to parse statement to somehow make a sow’s ear out of a silk purse.
    4. Aging sisters faint with the vapors, and vow to make more papier-mache’ large puppets and preach social justice while wandering through their labrynth chanting paens to gaia.

    Yawn. Stick a fork in them. They’re done. See ya.

  17. majuscule says:

    I just looked at the LCWR’s statement Frank H linked to above. While at the website to glanced at the publications offered by the LCWR and became suspicious of their Systems Thinking Handbook, offered here:
    https://lcwr.org/resources/systems-thinking-handboo

    Well, here’s someone elses’s take on the handbook and it is still on the LCWR’s website even after the CDF asked that it be withdrawn from circulation:
    http://www.praytellblog.com/index.php/2012/06/13/systems-thinking-the-congregation-for-the-doctrine-of-the-faith-and-the-lcwr/

  18. anna 6 says:

    “the sisters did not know what was about to hit them and, therefore, did not leak the bad news in advance.”

    Does that mean that they were “blindsided”?

  19. JonPatrick says:

    Now we know the reason for the lockstep sheep and papist throwbacks on this blog is retrogressive forces!

    May the (retrogressive) force be with you! :)

    Jon

  20. Daniel says:

    JabaPapa:

    The use of the word “presidency” is in place of a group of persons rather than a single individual. From the LCWR statement, it included the president-elect and executive director.

  21. CharlesG says:

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if our new Pope, himself a religious, could start cleaning up the heresy rampant in various religious orders since Vat. II? JPII had no luck in trying to reform the Jesuits, but maybe one of their own could do it?

    As for Fr. Jim and the notion of “driving a wedge” between these heretical nuns and Pope, I think he should apologize for the slander to the Pope, as I am sure our Pope has not “moved beyond” Jesus and the Church as these dissenting nuns have, nor has he promoted the acceptability of abortion and same sex activity as they have, nor has he embraced new age, labyrinths, conscious evolution, chakras and whatever else they are pushing.

  22. Anna 6: there’s another term for it, but yours will do. Sometimes it’s best to NOT give advance notice of the shoe dropping.

  23. robtbrown says:

    frjim4321 says:

    Does this letter refer to a meeting that just happened (a ‘new’ meeting), or the well-publicized meeting that took place many months ago? It seems like old news. First, we don’t even have the response of the LCWR yet. I don’t think retrogressive forces will have much luck using a letter like this as a wedge between women religious and the new pope.

    Retrogressive forces? Interesting choice of words for someone who insists he’s a moderate.

  24. BLB Oregon says:

    Let’s pray that they turn towards the Holy Father, and not on him. Nothing could be a happier outcome, and many religious sisters would welcome it. Besides, orders that do not welcome this correction (and we all need correction, from time to time) are going to die out, because modern women who do not want to marry do not have to join religious communities in order to become school teachers or nurses or social workers. Look at how many religious communities for women the Protestants have! No one wants to make a vow to a NGO. The communities who take the corrections of the CDF to heart may well survive into the next century precisely because they did.

  25. Robtbrown: all part of the ‘newspeak’ that the loony left uses to try to reset the ‘middle of the road’ (ie moderate) to their side.

    All part of the language dialectic taken straight from Alinsky, Marx, etc. All birds of the same feather. While people like that’s blind adherence to liberal thought (whilst saying all along that they are actually moderate…see my first line…) is annoying, and I pray for those stuck in their care, those of this ilk are in retrograde as the forces of history leave them behind.

    But, hey, we all need reminders of how deeply some inhaled in the 60s and 70s….LOL.

  26. bposullivan says:

    Fr. Z said “[Pope Francis did not have to approve this. He did approve it.]”

    That’s absolutely true, and I don’t think that there’s any way to make a case that this statement is good news for the LCWR. Nobody’s going to like every decision the pope makes, and liberals won’t like this one.

    I don’t think liberals should despair over it, though. Having affirmed the assessment, and shown continuity with the pope emeritus, will Pope Francis now see to it that the reform is accomplished in a more mutually agreeable way? That’s what we’ll have to wait and see.

  27. eiggam says:

    @majuscule

    I just clicked your link on the LCWR website; the book is gone now.

  28. Cathy says:

    The great wedge between LCWR and the new pope is not a letter, nor is it their dependence on the Church. The underbelly seems to be their new found dependence, which is not the independence which they claim. When George Soros, Warren Buffett, Bill and Melinda Gates, the Rockefeller foundation, the Ford foundation and finally, the federal government provide a bus and gas it up quite well, one has a duty to question exactly who they are “dialoguing” with. You cannot serve two masters, you will hate one and love the other. The matter is quite simple, Jesus Christ and His Church, or the well-funded bus beyond Jesus.

  29. Sister H. says:

    BLB Oregon “No one wants to make a vow to a NGO.”

    EXACTLY! I said things like this for years and all it did was get me in trouble! I always said, “Jesus Christ is worth your life, mother earth is not!” and “nobody signed on to be a celibate social worker!”

  30. Geoffrey says:

    What?! I am stunned. Stunned! Who could have guessed that the new Pope would be Catholic?! ;-)

  31. VexillaRegis says:

    Schadenfreude. I can’t help it, sorry.

  32. Frank H says:

    eiggam: @majuscule had a faulty link. It’s still there.

    https://lcwr.org/resources/systems-thinking-handbook

  33. Scott W. says:

    This calls for a victory tune: http://youtu.be/r62_qMog1Mw

  34. oldCatholigirl says:

    majuscule & eiggam
    It’s true that the book cannot be accessed at the first link, but if you or anyone still wants to look at it, they can click the second link. It contains a link which still accesses the book.

  35. Basher says:

    I think a lot of people are happy and relieved. I certainly am. It’s cute to see all of the “The Pope is Catholic” talk going on and I certainly join in everyone’s rejoicing, but I think it all shows how worried we conservatives have been over the last few weeks. We really have been living purely on faith, haven’t we?

  36. wmeyer says:

    frjim, I think it is rather silly to refer to “retrogressive forces” when all that has been required of the LCWR is that the return to communion with Rome. Especially as what is required is that they recall (and honor) their vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience.

  37. majuscule says:

    @eiggam @Frank H

    Sorry about the link. My iPad would not copy it so I tried to work around that. Sometimes when this happens (often) I wonder if there is some force trying to keep me from posting…!

  38. JimGB says:

    Love the headline on Yahoo News:
    “Pope Francis supports crackdown on US nuns”

    This is probably the first time the words “Pope Francis” and “crackdown” have been used in the same sentence. Meanwhile, over at Rorate, the tenor seems to be that the LCWR is getting off easy and receiving more lenient treatment that, say, the SSPX (although the latter group is not mentioned by name).

    Clearly, the need for reform of the LCWR (aka the Sisterhood of the Travelling Pantsuit) and its member congregations is beyond cavil. Are these women are so lost that they fail to see that their approach to ” living the Gospel message” has resulted in an aging membership and vocations that have declined to almost nil? In the secular world, anyone selling what they are marketing and finding so few takers would re-examine their approach. Not these gals, which to me indicates that they will continue to dig in their heels (sorry for the pun). The dysfunction in the LCWR member congregations is apparent in my own parish, where a large convent once housing 30+ sisters stands empty, the sisters long ago having abandoned teaching in the parish school. The few remaining aging sisters were called home to the motherhouse a decade ago. In the meantime, more than a dozen women religious from various LCWR member communities live within the territory of the parish, in apartments of 2 or 3, working in secular jobs to support themselves and remit income to the order. But according to the LCWR, everything is fine, move along, nothing to see here….

  39. Emilio III says:

    I would prefer this as a victory tune:
    http://youtu.be/12ETqFuKJAg

  40. LarryW2LJ says:

    Yahoo/Reuters is all over it:

    By Philip Pullella

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – Pope Francis has reaffirmed the Vatican’s criticism of a body that represents U.S. nuns which the Church said was tainted by “radical” feminism, dashing hopes he might take a softer stand with the sisters.

    http://news.yahoo.com/pope-stands-firm-reforming-radical-feminist-u-nuns-153855257.html

  41. jaykay says:

    “(Reuters) – Pope Francis has reaffirmed the Vatican’s criticism of a body that represents U.S. nuns…”

    This “news” organisation can’t even get the basics right – as has been pointed out many times, that body by no means represents all US nuns. Still, of course, that quote fits right in with their lefty kneejerk worldview, so why let those irritating little fact-thingies get in the way?

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