Gov. Andrew Cuomo: conservatives “have no place in the state of New York”

Did you hear the latest about the adulterous governor of New York?

I picked on on this from some commentary pieces at NRO HERE and HERE (Kathryn Jean Lopez is all over this) and traced it back to something at Capitol Confidential:

Cuomo: ‘Extreme conservatives … have no place in the state of New York

Gov. Andrew Cuomo says the current “schism” in the state Republican party is a smaller version of the split causing so much damage in Washington, D.C., and that “conservative Republicans … have no place in the state of New York, because that’s not who New Yorkers are.

In conversation with Susan Arbetter on “The Capitol Pressroom” Friday morning, Cuomo said:

You have a schism within the Republican Party. … They’re searching to define their soul, that’s what’s going on. Is the Republican party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That’s what they’re trying to figure out. It’s a mirror of what’s going on in Washington. The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It’s more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans.

… You’re seeing that play out in New York. … The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE Act — it was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate! Their problem is not me and the Democrats; their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are right-to-life, [!] pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are and they’re the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York, because that’s not who New Yorkers are.  [Will he have people rounded up and deported?  Perhaps he’ll inter them in camps with the help of the National Guard.]


The governor’s suggestion that, for example, those who hold anti-abortion views have no place in the state prompted Dennis Poust, spokesman for the state Catholic Conference, to observe on Twitter, “My governor thinks there’s no place in NY for people like me. Can I get a state grant to relocate?” (And where to — New Hampshire, maybe?)

Cuomo also defended his immense campaign haul of more than $33 million.


It sounds as if pro-abortion adulterer Cuomo is ready to found a new version of the Know Nothing Party, doesn’t it.

In the meantime, while Cuomo talks up this bigoted Party Of Death horse hockey, he and his ilk have also made it extremely difficult for the citizens of New York to defend themselves from the encroaching State and the new menacing governor according to the Founders intentions in the Second Amendment.

Whom does this governor’s rhetoric remind me of?

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  1. Stephen McMullen says:

    I’ll be blunt. This guy is the first pol that actually frightens me. I heard a speech of his one time and he is the kind of person who appeals to raw emotion to get everything done. BUT….this is what the people of NY State want………they voted for him.

  2. wised says:

    At what point does his Catholic pastor( priest, Bishop or Cardinal) take note and address the ongoing and escalating scandal that Cuomo represents and espouses. Sorry for being judgmental. Is that better or worse than righteous indignation? I continue to pray that this will end well.

  3. Del says:

    It started with this spew of hate speech.

    It ends with the Cuomo Gestapo kicking in our doors at night.

    The loss of freedom and dignity in between has been slow and tedious. Turning up the heat, little by little, so we little froggies don’t notice the simmer.

  4. ChrisRawlings says:

    Of course he thinks that. If pro-lifers keep fighting, it makes passing his agenda more difficult. There are plenty of Texans who believe that liberals don’t belong in Texas, but they sure do keep coming. The worst response by conservatives and Catholics would be to take the guv seriously and actually flee. Are you going to let Andrew Cuomo tell you and your family where to live? So, no, New Hampshire (why New Hampshire, anyway?) is not the solution. Winning souls is the solution. We had a liberal legislator here in Colorado tell civil union opponents to “get thee to a nunnery” if we can’t handle modern society–which was ironic since he didn’t want to bring the issue to a statewide vote. And it is also odd that he would say this to a state with one of the more vibrant Catholic communities in the country, which is an integral part of the fabric of life in Colorado. We hosted World Youth Day after all.

    The only way to win is to fight.

  5. Cathy says:

    A tyrant certainly, but would anyone suggest that he is not a Catholic in good standing?

  6. mamajen says:

    Actually, I have quite a nice little place here in NY. And try as they might with their ridiculous taxes, I have no plans to leave.

    Stephen, older generations in upstate are still complaining about his dad! We’ve got two main problems 1) It’s impossible to overcome the voting bloc that is NYC and 2) Republicans/conservatives can’t seem to put forth a viable candidate.

  7. majuscule says:

    I wonder how many young people even recognize the Governor in the picture on the left…?

  8. Kathleen10 says:

    Will the people of New York say anything to counter this statement? Maybe not, since DeBlasio was just elected mayor of New York City, and he is just as extreme as this guy. If the people of New York really have a problem with his frightening opinion, they’ll say so, not shrinking violets they. But I would tend to doubt. We’ll know if they do because a “correction” will come out, but the gloves are certainly off, aren’t they. It gets worse every day.
    I just saw a graphic that shows people are actually flooding out of states like New York, probably to flee the taxes, but may also be because American citizens note the loss of freedom and liberty in liberal states and they fear it. I’m sure jobs are involved as well. Anyway New Hampshire is the only New England state where more than 55% of moves within the state are people moving IN from other states. Idaho, some attached states, and Tennessee and North Carolina are also seeing growth. People are flooding out of what appears to be mostly liberal states, or, at least 55% or more of the moves are people moving out. Texas is being flooded with incoming. We are really a polarized nation. This must be what it was like during our Civil War era. Please God we won’t see anything like that again, but the rhetoric is increasing.

  9. Kathleen10 says:

    And of course every state has a motto and New Hampshire’s is “Live Free or Die”. Then again Connecticut was known as The Constitution State and our legislators just stomped all over that with draconian gun control laws, rushed through almost overnight. Our legislators are also the ones who literally tried to legislate taking over local Catholic churches by electing a council of laypeople. (I’m not kidding. Rep. Michael Lawlor and Rep. Andrew McDonald, both openly gay and very powerful legislators, led the way.) Thankfully, due to the rare show of force by the church and supporters, it was defeated. If it’s liberty you want, don’t move to New York or Connecticut, or for that matter Rhode Island and definitely not Massachusetts, which is every bit as extreme as California. A judge in Massachusetts just found that a man in prison for murdering his wife is entitled to a sex change operation at taxpayer’s expense.

  10. Lin says:

    And this state is 38% Roman Catholic?!? Go figure! Lack of Catechesis? Catholic politicians are given a pass? Should not some of this nonsense be publicly condemned by our Church leaders?

    They all frighten me now because I’m not sure we will ever have another free election EVEN if we do manage to enlighten the sheep!

    Prayer and much fasting is required! Pray for our shepards!

  11. BillyHW says:

    Another victory for the pastoral approach.

  12. Joe in Canada says:

    I always say that we in Canada are maybe 5 election cycles ahead of you. One of our previous Prime Ministers, Jean Chretien, said that the values of the Liberal Party were Canadian values, and if you didn’t share them, you weren’t a real Canadian.

  13. Jean Marie says:

    If I had the financial means, I be out of New York tomorrow! It’s morally and spiritually bankrupt. It’s interesting how some scientists are talking about a potential earthquake in the Canary Islands that may trigger a massive Tsunami across the Atlantic Ocean heading right for New York. If I’m still here when that happens – well, you gotta die from something! Merciful Jesus, just let me be in the state of grace.

  14. MikeD says:

    And to think, people thought Justice Scalia was exaggerating when he said the Supreme Court’s decision invalidating part of DOMA treated opponents of same-sex marriage as “hostes humani generis, enemies of the human race.”

    Cuomo’s rhetoric sounds more like a member of the Khmer Rouge than Joseph McCarthy: “Counterrevolutionaries are not welcome in Cambodia, that’s not what Cambodia is about.”

  15. Matthew says:

    I am pro-life, own several guns, and am opposed to gay marriage. I’m from upstate NY and I love the area, but if NY doesn’t want me I can stay in a state that does.

  16. Jackie L says:

    If not for the second amendment what would be our fate? Remember, the pro-abortion crowd has no problem killing those who inconvenience them, or get in their way, provided they can’t fight back.

  17. I wish Pope Francis would appoint Bishop Hubbard’s successor (he turned 75 last October). I am curious to see what the next Bishop of Albany will have to say about Gov. Cuomo.

  18. benedetta says:

    No one prolife welcome in ny, eh? Sounds like newly elected NY mayor Bill DiBlasio’s hope of a visit from Pope Francis to ny has been scuttled by the pro death NY Governor. I guess if you sell abortions or gambling opportunities you are welcome in ny.

    His support for what he euphemistically (and deceptively) calls “choice” is extreme even in the party of death, the Democratic Party. Even the Roe court would balk at the way he insists that third trimester babies be put under the guillotine in his state for money, by state edict. The only explanation is big money from extreme haters of families and children with deep, deep pockets and big nyc money. Increasingly, ny is a place that is a hostile place for raising families with crushing middle class taxes and broken down schools.

    In nyc, roughly half of babies are aborted. So, half a generation of nyers have been led to slaughter by the barbaric politics of the limousine liberal elite. This is not the Democratic Party of “the little guy (or girl, particularly as girls are at increased risk of death through abortion). This is not the party that looks out for the underdog. This is the party of brutality, torturing humans who feel pain in the womb, conveniently discarding half of the next generation, unwanted. They simply have no credibility on any issue as their support for radical and extreme expansion of innocent human death through abortion at all stages demonstrates a lack of humanity or basic compassion for the poor, devoid of any moral authority.

    How could any reasoned, compassionate, educated, spiritual person be in favor of increasing the numbers of abortions?

  19. eulogos says:

    I want a bumper sticker, “I live in New York, and I’m Pro-Life!” Maybe it should start with “Hey, Cuomo!”

  20. Nicholas Shaler says:

    Good luck New York, you are officially more liberal than CA and OR, where my family’s from.

    Have fun tumbling into nothingness from Abortion, Contraception, and Euthanasia.

  21. Absit invidia says:

    Liberals are anything but liberal. They are really only fascists hiding behind a smokescreen of seemingly good intended words, that are themselves lies when uttered by liberals. Liberals are tyrants of the worst kind because they can overthrow governments, persecute, and oppress in the name of “all that is good.”

  22. JimGB says:

    As a New Yorker I am appalled by the putative Catholic Cuomo’s remarks. I will now wait to see if there will be a response from 1011 First Avenue, and whether Cuomo will remain on the invitation list for the St. Patrick’s Day Parade, the Al Smith Dinner, Midnight Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, etc.

  23. Chris Garton-Zavesky says:

    Next speech he gives, will the word “extreme” be missing?

  24. The Sicilian Woman says:

    He’s not sounding very diverse or tolerant.

  25. John Fannon says:

    As a Brit, I recognise the late Governor Wallace but who’s the bloke on the right?

    Speaking of George Wallace, I wonder whether the Obama crowd are thinking of taking a leaf out of his book? Remember after he had served his term in office and was forbidden by the Alabama Constitution to serve successive terms, Wallace put forward his wife, Lurleen as candidate for Governor. She said that she would pay her husband $1 per year for his advice. She won, if I recall, though the poor woman died of breast cancer part way through her term of office.

    A role for Michelle to give the Obamas two more terms? What a nightmare.

  26. John Fannon says:

    The. Penny has dropped. It’s Cuomo. I’m half asleep this January Monday morning!

  27. bookworm says:

    I’ve posted this on some other blogs and will repeat it here in the interests of making sure we react appropriately to this statement.
    The context in which this statement was made was in relation to Republican party politics in NY State. In that context, Cuomo was, most likely, simply attempting to state his belief that pro-lifers, etc. “have no place” of influence in the GOP because they are (allegedly) seen as too “extreme” by the electorate (“that’s not who New Yorkers are”). I do NOT believe he literally meant “All persons who have pro-life convictions are no longer welcome in this state and should move out.”
    That said, even the most “charitable” reading of his statement is distressing enough. If Cuomo is telling the truth, what does that say about the electorate in New York? If he’s simply repeating the “conventional wisdom” that he’s been conditioned to believe, what does that say about him? And even if he didn’t literally intend to order all pro-lifers/conservatives to move out of state, I can’t imagine him being all that upset if they did… which, come to think of it, they are probably already doing, given NY’s recent population losses.

  28. James C says:

    Ah, Andrew Cuomo. A man Bishop Hubbard is only happy to give Holy Communion to. He sounds like a solid Catholic doesn’t he?

    As a native of Upstate New York, I take great exception to the not-so-veiled swipe this adulterous New York City creature has made against the values of Upstaters. We’re not the “extreme” ones here!

  29. JonPatrick says:

    There is a schism in the GOP between those that still follow Judeo-Christian teachings and that our country was founded on them as our Declaration of Independence states, and who feel these principles important (social conservatives); and those who have gone secular, pay lip service to said principles but want to only focus on economic issues. The dems used to have some of this split but chased out the former a while ago (remember Robert Casey not being allowed to speak at the convention). There is a perception that social conservatives can’t win in spite of evidence to the contrary e.g. Reagan, GW Bush, Paul Ryan. I think there is still a conservatism within the general population that could be drawn out with a candidate who can articulate these principles, maybe someone like Rand Paul, even in a place like New York.

  30. MacBride says:

    @ Stephen this is what the people of New York City(and downstate) want. The rest of us upstate have to deal with this communist dictator.

  31. Jaybirdnbham says:

    As Stephen says, “this is what the people of NY state want… they voted for him.” And, sad to say, that picture of George Wallace reminds me that he and his rhetoric were what the white majority in Alabama wanted and voted for at that time in our state’s history.
    I have to also say that as an Alabamian in my late 50’s, I cringed to see Wallace’s picture on this post. Thankfully no one in my family ever voted for Wallace, but many people obviously just loved him. The white people of Alabama elected George Wallace because he was saying what they wanted to hear. They got what they deserved, just as now New Yorkers have got what they voted for and apparently deserve to have.
    And, to extrapolate further, a majority in this country wanted and voted for a Socialist community organizer from Chicago for president. This country has now got what it deserves and will have to live with the consequences for a long time. (too bad the rest of us who didn’t vote for him have to share in that fate).

  32. djc says:

    This doesn’t really surprise me at all. Cuomo is just more honest and open with what he really thinks. I think most of the hardcore liberals feel this way but cover up saying anything to secure as many votes as possible.

  33. benedetta says:

    Gov. Cuomo’s pro death propaganda that right to life NYers are not welcome in New York State probably connects to the mainstream media’s pretending that the huge Marches for Life every January when millions gather and descend on Washington to register peaceful nonviolent civil protest in recognition of the tens of millions lost to abortion. The reality is that there are huge numbers of prolifers always working to support pregnant women in crisis, typically coerced by others to abortion, throughout New York State. Gov. Cuomo further could benefit from a little mini lesson in his own state’s history. Then Gov. Cuomo might realize the noble New York tradition that supports women from the terrible harm abortion imposes on her health and well being as well as innocent life, stemming from the work of Elizabeth Cady Stanton. The very same woman from Seneca Falls who recognized the importance of the dignity of women (echoed by JPII) and organized and advocated tirelessly for women’s rights to vote recognized that the only position that truly supported the integral rights and welfare of women was right to life. No one who advocates for the killing of infants in the womb of mothers can be styled as a humanitarian, or a humanist for that matter. And, across the country, the younger generations are increasingly aware that Roe v Wade was a grave mistake and do not support the “choice” as previous generations may have. But even the baby boomer generation increasingly is changing its mind on abortion, and sees that the insatiable demand for more and more abortion generated by Planned Parenthood, NARAL, academics and colleges and universities, dubious community organizers, Soros, zero population growth advocates has become a runaway train and a terrible blight on our country’s honor and dignity. People are waking up to the fact that Roe, even as a flawed decision, stated that infants’ rights do exist. Roe never stated that infants had no right to life, as the extreme abortion pushing faction would pretend. People are waking up to the fact that infants feel pain in their earliest ages. Even people of no particular faith or belief in God are acknowledging increasingly that this practice is barbaric and has no place in an enlightened, civilized society. People are realizing that abortion has awful lifelong consequences for mothers. Generations are looking around and wondering about their peers whom they have never had the chance to meet personally. Many wonder what their contributions to our society would have been. People have been horrified at the instances of infanticide committed in our midst under the disguise of “legal abortion” and the early advocates of abortion have withdrawn their support for it seeing what this has turned into. Sadly, young people who buy the abortion equals health and well being bill of goods are walking around stuffing newborns into Victoria’s Secret bags, toilets and trash bins believing that it is all justified after decades of extreme abortion activists have tried to convince all that there is no life there, and even if there may be it is not worth protecting. The societies who adopted the extreme view that Gov. Cuomo wishes his state to adopt are decaying, with no replacement population to support the elderly or the economy, with huge numbers of unmarried men unable to find spouses, and whole cultures becoming callous to vulnerable life and the poor in their midst taking a cue from the culture of death. Of course, it was the Roman practice of abandoning the weakest and trying to dominate violently that the early Christians’ actions most contrasted with, so much so that the Roman empire eventually fell to this new, humanizing, more merciful community which for whatever reason decided that they would protect the life that God gave. I am terribly disappointed that a man who had the finest education money can buy, and a descendant of a noble heritage, could be so duped by an agenda that is hostile to the interests of his constituency. As always, prolifers are praying for Gov. Cuomo, that his heart be softened to the cry of the poor.

  34. Fr AJ says:

    If a conservative governor ever said liberals had no place in his state, the media would destroy the man and keep up the attack until he resigned.

  35. LarryW2LJ says:

    Guess that means my vacation dollars aren’t good enough, either. After all, they are earned by an extreme right wing, Pro Life, Constitution supporting member of the K of C. Looks like I’ll have to spend them elsewhere. Hate to say this, but just maybe if enough of us talk with our pocket books, the people of New York will vote loons like this out of office.

  36. Justalurkingfool says:


    I believe his attitude is quite representative of most democrats/liberals, although I do see some exceptions. The problem is some of them are not frightened by this. That frightens me.

  37. SKAY says:

    He considers himself Catholic — but it seems he is very angry at those he considers “conservative”
    Catholic- that is-those who actually follow the true faith. He married Ted Kennedy’s niece – another “special” catholic family. His father, in a speech at Notre Dame, came up with the idea of Catholic politicians can be personally opposed to abortion but can vote for the “right to choose”. He and Pelosi seem to agree. The list of how he has sold himself out to the left for votes is much longer.
    This article talks about his”catholic “beliefs and I am sure the NYT thinks he is to be admired.
    Interesting opinions from Catholic priests in the article. I suppose it is not surprising.

  38. Netmilsmom says:

    My vacation money will stay out of NY. If I want to see Niagara Falls, I’ll stay on the Canadian side.

  39. TravelerWithChrist says:

    Great! He set the standard. We in Texas can send him all our liberals, he can send us the conservatives, and we’ll all be happy. Then we’ll see who wins in the end. Texas has it’s oil wells, large families, and guns… we’ll be OK.

  40. pmullane says:

    I find it incredible that when a purported citizen-legislator in a free republic condecends to lecture the plebs on what kind of ‘people’ they are, that there is any appropriate reaction other than pointing and laughing. Who the blazed is Andrew Cuomo to decide what kind of people ‘New Yorkers’ are.

    That being said, we who do not subscribe to the modern values of the effete liberal elite cant say we havent been warned when the pink-shirts kick our doors in and take us away to the gulags. We have tolerated ‘hate speech’ and ‘hate crime’ laws and stood silent when our fellow ‘free citizens’ have been singled out by our increasingly capricious governments for the crime of saying or doing something that disturbed the refined sensibilities of our liberal overlords or their carefully cultivated special favour groups. And by our very existance, fellow Papes, we tweak the nose of the liberal (read socialist) elites that hold power in the west. So we old bigots will be done for ‘Hate Speech’.

  41. ChesterFrank says:

    I agree with all of the above comments. New York does seem to have a particularly sleazy form of politics, and that most powerful political party is hoisting Andrew Cuomo on its shoulders as their leader. Unfortunately all of the derogatory illustrated references that Fr. Z makes are quite accurate. Their tactic of painting their opponent as the bully has unfortunately also been quite successful.

  42. teomatteo says:

    He just may be Hillary’s v.p. nod…..

  43. LeslieL says:

    Pray for us. That’s all I can say….it is true that nothing can overcome New York City in voting – and politicians have learned to cater to the element that lives there. But PLEASE – do not lump all NYers together – we are not all city folk. And please do not say this is what the people downstate want – out here in Eastern Long Island, it is not at all what we want. We are being inundated with spill over from NYC – and people are trying very much to make us into an appendage of the City. But there are many of us digging our heels in and trying our best to buck the trend – it’s disheartening to be written off like some of you have seemed to do. Please don’t do that to us….
    Pray for us – and remember, Cuomo has much higher aspirations….the entire country may very well have to deal with his agenda and vindictiveness.
    And pray that Cardinal Dolan say something about this – I’ve been waiting, but not heard a word yet.

  44. thefeds says:

    Governor Cuomo should have his statement handed to
    Him the next time he presents himself for Holy Communion!

  45. Traductora says:

    @Benedetta, It would be wonderful if Gov. Cuomo’s evil, threatening words and the Marxism of de Blasio had any impact on the mind of Rome, but since just last week I saw a photo of Cardinal Dolan embracing de Blasio, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    I still haven’t heard any comments from anyone in the hierarchy about this. A lay Catholic group did issue some kind of statement, but the people who should be saying something are strangely silent.

  46. bookworm says:

    “this is what the people of New York City (and downstate) want. The rest of us upstate have to deal with this communist dictator.”

    A similar dynamic applies to California (SF and LA vs. the inland regions) and Illinois (Chicago and collar counties vs. downstate). Conventional political wisdom in those states also holds that pro-lifers can’t win statewide office; sadly, it is quite true that pro-life candidates in those states have an uphill battle, even within the GOP, due to this perception.

    Were I governor of a state neighboring New York (*cough* Chris Christie *cough*) or of a more distant “red” state, I would respond thus: “Anyone who wishes to visit, live in, work in or start a business in my state is welcome regardless of their political preferences, or their convictions regarding abortion, same-sex marriage, gun control, or other issues. Those who disagree with my state’s current laws on these matters are welcome to try to change them fair and square through the political process.”

  47. benedetta says:

    bookworm, And why do you think he did not style his remarks thus in the first place? After all, he knows well that prolifers have been living here and working to support life from conception to natural death since the days of pioneering feminist Elizabeth Cady Stanton, as we know that a true feminism that recognizes the real dignity of women also doesn’t pit mothers against the children in their wombs. It is curious that he did not take the rhetorical tack you describe given that he is a lawyer, second generation lawyer at that, and well knows that Roe v Wade such as it is does point out the right to life of the preborn, that buses teeming with young people board in the late night from Buffalo, Rochester, Ithaca, the Southern Tier, and from Malone, Plattsburgh and Ogdensburg, as well as from Albany where he is currently situated, and from Kingston, Newburgh, Poughkeepsie, and from the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens, Staten Island and Long Island, and that these young people then ride through the night to arrive at the crack of dawn in D.C. as will happen this Wednesday to participate in the March for Life, a huge event drawing hundreds of thousands and which the fearful media deliberately blacks out and censors from national and local media outlets. As a lawyer he further well knows that Obama’s recent aggression to attempt to force practicing Catholics such as the Little Sisters of the Poor to fund greater numbers of abortions is a plain and uncomplicated violation of civil liberties. As a politician he surely knows that prolife people send letters and emails to his office continually begging his change of heart. And he is surely aware that not only the Catholic Church but other Christians, atheists, Jews and Muslims advocate less abortion in order to bring about a more humane and just society. As a Catholic who seems to desire the Holy Eucharist, he is surely cognizant that many women in crisis pregnancies, most not Catholic or of any particular faith affiliation, turn to the Church to support them when they feel coerced to abort their babies against their will, and that the Church extends financial, material, and spiritual help to those women tirelessly. As a person who appears to read the news he is surely aware that Pope Francis who the mainstream media and his constituents seem keenly interested in right now in the first days of his papacy stepped out of the Vatican to join a March for Life in Rome very similar to the one that young people will be taking part in a couple days from now on a mass scale. Further he seems to not be taking the cue that Pope Francis asked of Catholics like him, to stop obsessing about a lot of abortion and more of it.

    He must have his reasons.

  48. OrthodoxChick says:

    Cuomo’s just the start. Progressive fever is all over these parts. Massachusetts and Vermont are already talking about moving to single payer healthcare. It’s probably still a few years away, but it’s coming. Maine is no better than NY. So many of the Massachusetts liberals have taxed themselves out of their own state. That has forced them to move to Southern Maine and Southern New Hampshire for affordable housing while still being commutable to Boston for work. Maine and New Hampshire are experiencing the same phenomena as NY. The liberals downstate control the policy and legislation that everyone must live under. At least N.H. has a small but growing libertarian element in Keene. Time will tell if that will help NH in the future or not.

    As someone born and raised in RI, moved to CT and living only miles from the MA border, I feel completely trapped. But, thanks to the high cost of living, we’ll likely be homeless soon. Not kidding or being sarcastic either. And while that’s ordinarily cause for panic, after seeing this thread and pondering it a bit, maybe it’s just the Lord’s way of opening our minds to the idea of relocating somewhere more affordable and Catholic-friendly. Feel free to email me privately if you have any idea as to where that place might be: (sweetpeaandbooboo-At Sign-msn-Dot-com).

  49. Seamus says:

    It wasn’t that long ago that people on the left were claiming that “violent right-wing groups” were particularly inclined toward “eliminationism,” defined as “the belief that one’s political opponents are not just wrongheaded, misinformed or even acting in bad faith,” but that “that they are a cancer on the body politic that must be excised.” (See Now it seems that people on the left are embracing rather than deploring eliminationist rhetoric.

  50. lmgilbert says:

    When are we going to take the gloves off? We don’t have to argue with this guy or his supporters. One word will do it. Just show up at his every appearance and drown him out with one word: “Bigot!” Not “Anti-Catholic bigot.” Just, “Bigot!” This, after all, is an argument that every American can understand. Perhaps, for that matter, it is the only argument American voters understand at this point.

  51. LeslieL says:

    Hard to believe I’m going to quote Jim Morrison here, but….here goes: “Whoever controls the media controls the mind.” The media, aided and abetted by the more extreme left, has told us that this is a woman’s issue and anything less than easy, affordable, encouraged access to abortion is tantamount to discrimination. And we have let them do it. We have been quiet too long – even Edward R. Murrow said “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.” And so, Cuomo has his soapbox, the left applaud, rare coverage will be given the march Wednesday, most people will sigh and remain silent and the danger grows unchecked.

  52. LeslieL says:

    By the way – have anyone seen much coverage of the tolerant Cuomo’s intolerant remarks in the mainstream media? Not much at all….a brief mention in the NY Post was about all I saw and a snippet from a FOX report. It would appear the media may be covering for him as he tries to dance around what he said….

  53. jml says:

    The Pro-Life movement started on Long Island. So many of us are still here. They can shout us down but NY is our home.

  54. jml says:

    Besides, on the political side, who do they think pays their taxes?

  55. catholictrad says:

    Those priests who are supposed to be guiding souls to Christ will pay an eternal price for failure to rebuke hardened sinners. They are guilty of every known sacreligious reception given to public sinners.

    As for George Wallace of my beloved Alabama, he was not Catholic and had no hierarchy charged with correcting his errors and declaiming hid public scandals. He did, however, suffer terrible physical suffering from an assassination attempt. That suffering opened him to the grace the grace of bitter repentance. He begged the forgiveness of all he offended from his death bed.

    I pray that governor Wallace is in purgatory, and if he is I know he is pleased to be there.

    I also pray that Cuomo et. al. find the same bitter tears of repentance before they give Satan the victory. Christ gave His body and blood to Judas. One can only imagine Judas regret when the devil showed him his sin.

  56. benedetta says:

    Bookworm, Now I understand what you are saying…that other, non fascist type governors should take the opportunity to demonstrate how democracy really works. Good point.

    Generations from now will look back on leaders like Cuomo with horror.

  57. Angie Mcs says:

    The Cuomos – another family whose slimy tentacles have stretched out into the realms of politics and the media and who support each other in the arrogant belief that they should run our lives when they cant keep their own houses in order.

  58. DisturbedMary says:

    Reminds me of Rwanda. The Government incited the Hutus against the Tutsis. 24 hours a day on radio urging hateful mayhem. We know the bloodbath that resulted. Cuomo either is too stupid or too wicked or both to recognize that this kind of agitation can easily run amok. He is disgusting.

  59. benedetta says:

    Is the clarification that is coming down from the Governor’s office really that “it’s ok for right to life people to live in NY State, they just cannot have any constituency in state government”?

  60. tealady24 says:

    The hubris of these “progressive” pols should frighten us all. They truly believe the garbage that spews from their mouths; like the devils pawns they are. This guy has been dangerous forever; yet he continues to enjoy high poll #’s and re-elections.
    People in this country are so ignorant; after all don’t we have the Super Bowl and the Grammys and tomorrow’s designers scents to worry about, why think critically??
    God help the man should he ever come to my parish for Holy Eucharist! These demented souls are in my prayers daily; may God enlighten them. But if they refuse to acknowledge what we all know to be God’s truths, then not only should the road to Hell be paved with the skulls of bishops but Hell itself should contain these accursed ones for all eternity!

  61. benedetta says:

    I guess what Cuomo “really thinks” given these statements is that not only is there no room for right to life in the Republican party which he demonizes for political gain, but further he seems to be saying straight up that right to life will NEVER have a voice in HIS Democratic Party either, which he apparently feels he owns and runs to the exclusion of all others.

    One hopes that every generation produces real leaders and statesmen, with humanitarian interests at heart and even though partisan in many cases still able to work together with those with whom they disagree to bring about a more just and compassionate society. With this one Gov. Cuomo is showing that this will not be his aspiration, nor in the near future the Democratic Party in New York.

  62. Sword40 says:

    Is it wrong for me to say, “May he experience the Beatific Vision sooner rather than later” ?

  63. Legisperitus says:

    majuscule: Probably no young people will recognize George Wallace, unless they’re from Alabama. I am in my late forties and had to click on the picture to find out who it was.

  64. Gail F says:

    Here is the letter that was sent to the New York Post by the governor’s office. It mostly reprints the entire transcript, in which Cuomo is SLIGHTLY less wacko but still, IMHO, extreme in his views. I mean, if that is what you have to prove how “moderate” you are, it’s pretty pathetic. But I guess that must be all they have:

  65. Tantum Ergo says:

    The Cowardly Lion (updated)
    If I were King of the Forest, Not Governor, not Duke, not Prince.
    My liberal robes of the forest, would be satin, not cotton, not chintz.
    I’d command each thing, be it fish or fowl.
    With a woof and a woof and a royal growl – woof.
    As I’d click my heel, the pro-lifers would kneel.
    And the Tea Party bow and gun owners kowtow.
    And the Constitution would take wing – If I – If I – were King!

  66. Dienekes says:

    As Pajama Boy is reported to have said, “We have no morals and will attack you.”

    Maybe these people are getting desperate and blurting out their real intentions. And them so caring and all.

  67. tufty says:

    A few people have said that Governor Cuomo and liberals are Fascist. Fascists are right wing. Fascists are conservatives. Fascists are traditionalists. Mussolini was a Fascist and was in favor of strong Church State relations, the family, and traditional values. Fascists are anti Communists.
    Communists are Left leaning. Communists are atheistic and socialistic. Communists are liberal, or progressive or radical. Communists are about collectivism. They like slogans like unity in diversity. They talk about man as a member of a community and squash any sort of deviation from the approved group think. They say one thing to one group and another thing to another group but they always have one end in mind, world domination and human enslavement. Or I guess you could say, the souls of men. Governor Cuomo is a Communist. Democrats are Communists. America is Communist and has been for awhile now. Other things are Communist too, but you have to be awake and aware to notice.

  68. benedetta says:

    tufty, the current Dictatorship of Relativism we live under in America does not neatly fit into either of those oppressive categories of totalitarianism you mention, and is certainly showing certain aspects of both fascism as it was displayed in our times (“you are not welcome”) as well as the thought controlling/propaganda and government worship aspects displayed by communists in our times. In America, the opposite of communism is not fascism nor do any proponents of strengthening families advocate it as it is not consonant with America’s democracy. I have observed that in Europe there are political parties advocating for strengthening families. Perhaps this is an idea whose time has come in America.

  69. Kerry says:

    Breitbart reports that Sean Hannity is leaving NY, and, in so many words, tells the son of Mario the Pious to ‘pound sand’. Further, Hannity said that if some of “my employees” are out of work, he is sure the guv will take care of them. Heh.

  70. SKAY says:

    It does sound like Gov. Cuomo is one of President Obama’s expert advisors about the catholic religion and the ACA(Obama Care). As a high profile Catholic, look at what he has been able to do without much consequence. .
    From the 2011 article–

    “He goes to Mass, though not every Sunday. He considers himself a practicing Roman Catholic, yet avoids calling himself devout. He opposes the death penalty, as church leaders do. But he is divorced. And he supports same-sex marriage and abortion rights, stances sharply at odds with church teaching. ”
    He is now trying to walk his comments back of course. That is what happens when you realize you have opened the curtain a little too much on what the real intentions of the Party and this White House are.

  71. jml says:

    In NYC 40% of pregnancies end in abortion. In the Bronx specifically, it’s almost half of all pregnancies. It is peculiar to me that our governor is worried about those few of us who are pro-life. Does the cry in the wilderness trouble him?

  72. RJHighland says:

    It has been a couple of days since this statement hit the news wire. Any word from Gov. Cuomo’s Bishop Hubbard, from Cardinal Dolan? Hello is anybody out there. He fundimentally said any one that holds Catholic doctrine to be true has no reason to be in New York and especially in New York politics. Well are they going to pack-up, fight or just remain silent like cowards. Did Gov. Cuomo go to mass on Sunday? Did he recieve communion? The heirarcy has no problem saying the SSPX is in de facto schism with Rome but not a word about a pro-abortion, pro-same sexu marriage, divorced adultoror who continues to recieve communion? Who is running this place shepherds or wolves. Until one of the shepherds of the Church or preferebly the Holy Father comes out and states that any Catholic that materially supports abortion and same sex marriage, votes for laws that promote or legalize these acts or votes for canidates that promote these agendas are de facto in a state of mortal sin and are not to approach the altar to recieve communion until they have confessed and repented of their sins. In the case of public officials they would have to do a public confession. Letting these heretics continue to come foreward to recieve communion is not helping their eternal judgement one bit. That is just my humble opinion. So let us pray that our shepherds find the courage to be holy men of God and stand up to those that cause confusion in the Church, cast them out and knock the dust from your sandals.

  73. tufty says:

    I see you like to use buzz words and catch phrases rather than precise meanings. According to you, America is both a dictatorship and a democracy and Fascism doesn’t oppose Communism. It’s obvious that you don’t understand the meaning of any of the words, or feel “relativistically” that you can imbue them with your own personal meaning.

    In fact Fascism does oppose Communism as Right opposes Left. Cuomo is a Communist, not a Fascist. The term fascist, or fascistic has taken on a certain meaning based on propaganda since WWII.
    Here’s a quote from Mussolini which might surprise you since history is written by the winners:
    “The Fascist State does not remain indifferent to the fact of religion in general and to that particular positive religion which is Italian Catholicism. The State has no theology, but it has an ethic. . . . The Fascist State does not create a “God” of its own, as Robespierre once, at the height of the Convention’s foolishness, wished to do; nor does it vainly seek, like Bolshevism, to expel religion from the minds of men. Fascism respects the God of the ascetics, of the saints, of the heroes, and also God as seen and prayed to by the simple and primitive heart of the people.”
    You won’t find Marx, Lenin,Stalin, Trotsky or Mao saying anything even close to that.
    But, in fact, 66 milllion white Christians were murdered in Russia and millions more imprisoned under their Communist/Socialist ideology. I wonder why Communist hasn’t become an adjective for evil as fascist has. Can you figure it out?

  74. benedetta says:

    tufty, This seems another one of those rabbit holes however I think the feature that most struck me about your first post was that somehow fascism supported “family values”. Yours, etc.

  75. danidunn says:

    The church will become small
    The church will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning.

    She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built in prosperity. As the number of her adherents diminishes . . . she will lose many of her social privileges. . . As a small society, [the Church] will make much bigger demands on the initiative of her individual members….
    It will be hard-going for the Church, for the process of crystallization and clarification will cost her much valuable energy. It will make her poor and cause her to become the Church of the meek . . . The process will be long and wearisome as was the road from the false progressivism on the eve of the French Revolution — when a bishop might be thought smart if he made fun of dogmas and even insinuated that the existence of God was by no means certain . . . But when the trial of this sifting is past, a great power will flow from a more spiritualized and simplified Church. Men in a totally planned world will find themselves unspeakably lonely. If they have completely lost sight of God, they will feel the whole horror of their poverty. Then they will discover the little flock of believers as something wholly new. They will discover it as a hope that is meant for them, an answer for which they have always been searching in secret.

    And so it seems certain to me that the Church is facing very hard times. The real crisis has scarcely begun. We will have to count on terrific upheavals. But I am equally certain about what will remain at the end: not the Church of the political cult, which is dead already, but the Church of faith. She may well no longer be the dominant social power to the extent that she was until recently; but she will enjoy a fresh blossoming and be seen as man’s home, where he will find life and hope beyond death.

  76. benedetta says:

    Meanwhile Gov. Cuomo is hiding out and has sent his General Counsel to attack the messenger, the journalist who broke this story. According to this GC’s letter published in the same column that excerpted Cuomo’s earlier unbalanced and off the rails remarks, the Governor was merely saying that New York State is a state with “moderate” and not “extremist” politics. He does not go on to state how in the world Cuomo’s radical agenda to expand abortions at the terrible cost to women’s health fits the “moderate” moniker. Nationwide, that sort of expansion of abortions does not resonate with the general population and can not by any means be considered “moderate”. Closer to home, for a Governor of a state to be willing to sacrifice roughly half of the next generation in some localities to slaughter instead of trying to find a way for the next generation to live and flourish within his own state’s boundaries, and call this “moderate” is a terrible reflection of just how far from humanitarian this NYS Democratic Party’s focus has become.

    By the way tufty, the Governor’s General Counsel states that the Governor is “a Catholic” and promotes religious diversity and tolerance. So, maybe according to your schema, he is in actuality, a “moderate” (not extreme) fascist?

  77. RANCHER says:

    Conservatives have no place in New York….and heretics have no place in the Church

  78. tufty says:

    Fascism, in fact, did encourage all of the values of the right including strong, healthy, large families.
    The Fascist regimes did not go in and kill enormous numbers of their own people. Did you know that the Communists murdered so many white Christians in Russia that there is speculation that the collective IQ of the entire country was reduced. That is because the Communists always select the most intelligent and influential to murder first….They wiped out 66 million of the highest functioning population. Mao murdered 77 million Chinese, 45 million in 4 years.
    Did I mention how the Communists burned all of the Catholic Churches and killed thousands of nuns and priests in Spain, in the most horrific ways, during the Spanish Civil War? Franco, the “Fascist” preserved the Faith. Leftist, read Communist, America considers this a huge travesty.

  79. tufty says:

    I’m not sure if you are doing it on purpose Benedetta, I assume that it is your job, but you have intentionally or otherwise, completely failed to grasp the point of every entry I have made.

    I said that liberals, like Cuomo are COMMUNISTS , not Fascists. YOU stated he was a Fascist and I corrected you.

  80. frjim4321 says:

    I think he crossed the line into impropriety with that comment.

    I haven’t been able to figure out the context … was this some kind of talk show?

    I can see that a governor could be very concerned about destructive, fractious elements creeping into the legislature, but I don’t think he put it very well here. I think he misspoke.

  81. RJHighland says:

    Gov. Cuomo may be Catholic by having recieved his sacraments but he neither believes what the Church teaches or is Catholic in his actions. But do you see how he has crumbled simply by the push back of the press. If his bishop or Cardinal Dolan denied him communion and even excommunicated him for a time it actually may do his soul some good. By letting a man continue in his sins with-out punishment does not allow for a conversion of the soul to Christ.

  82. Unwilling says:

    tufty, you show some historical knowledge or interpretations shared perhaps more widely than you think by the readers of this site. Many are frustrated by the fact that the political perversions of the “right” (e.g. fascism) have become the bywords, while the monstrosities of the “left” are ignored and even admired. One of those strange aspects of the madness of crowds. It is an illusion fostered by (the concurrence but not conspiracy of) professional PR efforts. It’s not “fair”, but…

    To disconcert people’s intelligence, the “left” points to the slightest misstatement made from the “right”. I think benedetta’s reaction (mine too) was not hostile to your basic values, but a gentle reminder that suggesting “fascists” [read: early-20thC Italian & German Fascists] championed “family values” plays directly into the hands of the enemies of those very values.

    I guess you only mean to say that we on the “right” support those values — and no one a friend of this blog will disagree. Respectful regards…

  83. Unwilling says:

    danidunn, your quotation from Ratzinger’s “Faith and the Future” is apt to many stories of increasing hostility to the Church, or more exactly to religious believers. I have posted before links to the dramatic fantasy, The Last Priest. Here are the closing lines:

    One plane is now low over the roof of the tower, so low that the crew can make out the figure of the Cross on the priest’s chasuble. A bomb is made ready…
    And now the priest comes to the words that shall bring Christ to earth again. His head almost touches his altar: Hoc est enim corpus meum… This is indeed my body…
    The bomb did not drop. No. No. There was a moment of awful silence. Then, a burst of light beside which day itself is dusk. Then, a trumpet peal, a single trumpet peal that shook the universe.
    [Myles Connolly, from “Mr Blue” (1928)]

  84. BillyT92679 says:


    I assume you’re not familiar with a book called Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg.

    Fascism, is, superficially, a “right-wing” construct, but it really is a sham use of traditionalism by collectivists. It’s economically socialist and authoritarian. It was anti-Communist in the sense that radical anarchism was also anti-Communist, but it’s totally opposed to the Church.

    Fascism is best described as a syndicalist ideology… it’s Socialism but focused internally on the state/the nation, or in the German case, the volk, as opposed to the international proletarianism of Marxism-Leninism.

    Goldberg nails it that these liberals ARE fascists. They believe in a marriage of big government with big business, they demonize the “other” in superficially classist terms (like Communists) but really more in the terms of social ideology. They believe in a Real America, or Real New York that’s a collective of like minded people strung together around a specific belief system (the fasces).

    [This digression has played itself out, I think.]

  85. RuralCatholic says:

    There was a time (not that long ago) when it was said that New Yorkers felt that way about Italians who were referred to as Dagos. The same can be said for the Irish, the Poles and Puerto Ricans, et al.
    It only exposes those who feel such bigotry as the mean-spirited and unloving hypocrites they are. I feel sad that such a one as Cuomo is allowed to take communion and be such a highly visible representative of Catholicism.

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