@MadisonDiocese prepares for the transition to @BishopHying – UPDATED

UPDATE 27 April:

I’m very fortunate to know and have worked with a fine graphic artist, David P. Burkart.  You can see my coat-of-arms – my family’s historic arms –  on my right sidebar.  He’s terrific!

David just made a new “stemma” for the new Bishop of Madison, Most. Rev. Donald J. Hying.   He confirmed to me the other day that he would not change his personal arms or motto with his translation from Gary to Madison.

Here is the new stemma.

The diocesan arms on the “dexter” side, which as you face it appears on the left.  It’s called “dexter” because if you are holding your shield, it to your own right.  On the “sinister” side is the bishop’s personal arms.  His motto, “Caritas numquam excidit” is the Latin Vulgate of 1 Cor 13:8, in Greek –  Ἡ ἀγάπη οὐδέποτε ἐκπίπτει – meaning “Charity never fails” in the sense that it never loses its force and effectiveness.  The context of 1 Cor 13 is important.  It may be the most famous thing that Paul wrote, and involves some of his deepest thought.  Paul is dealing with a divided community in Corinth.  Let’s see the chapter:

If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [2] And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [3] And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. [4] Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; [5] Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;

[6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth with the truth; [7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. [8] Charity never falleth away: whether prophecies shall be made void, or tongues shall cease, or knowledge shall be destroyed. [9] For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [10] But when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.

[11] When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child. [12] We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then I shall know even as I am known. [13] And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity.

Love is patient…

I see now as if though a glass, darkly…

If I speak with the tongue of men and angels…

When I was a child…

The greatest of these…

Truly amazing.  You could spend a lot of time unpacking Caritas numquam excidit.

“But Father! … even though Mr. Dew in New Zealand says we shouldn’t say ‘Father’ to anyone!  But Father!”, some of you lefties are blurting, “how dare you talk about love!  Stop that right now!   You have no right to even think about love.  HAH!  You are sort of like Paul… what a misogynist!  And you are a homophobe because you don’t agree with Jasmine… er James Martin about gays and you are a xenophobe because you believe in borders and you are for violence because you defend the 2nd Amendment and… above all YOU HATE VATICAN II!”

Now that you have that out of your system, we can return our attention to the important project of having a chasuble made for Bp. Hying to match what we call our “Madison” set, which has the arms of the diocese embroidered on the pieces.   I needed a good graphic to send to Gammarelli.  His arms will be embroidered thereon.   They thought that they had run out of the matching braid.  That was a problem, because no more is being produced!   So, this is the last piece for the “Madison” set, I guess.


Originally Published on: Apr 26, 2019

The new bishop, Most Rev. Donald J. Hying, will take possession of the Diocese of Madison on 25 June. Transition preparations.

It is always a little challenge when such a transition takes place. I’ve been through it several times, with local bishops and with popes. It is amazing how deeply rooted the routine repetition of a name is. I recall, well into the 90’s, hearing an old priest occasionally slip and say, “Paul, our Pope”.

We won’t be using the name of the new bishop in the Canon until he takes possession. But we can get ready.

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  1. Chuck4247 says:

    Priests who travel: does a similar problem happen when you say Mass outside your home diocese?

  2. Chris Garton-Zavesky says:

    We’re getting a new bishop here, too.

    What is the Latin for Oscar?

    More generally, what does one do in the EF when the name of the bishop doesn’t have an obvious Latin formula (take Wilton Gregory, for example; or, take Fulton Sheen)

  3. When I first came to Berkeley as a doctoral student in 1976, the bishop of Oakland was Floyd Begin. I wondered what Floyd would be in Latin. I wondered if it was “Griseus” because Floyd is Celtic for “gray.” Later I found out that bishops with non-Latin names just picked a similar name with a Latin form: Bp. Begin used “Florus.” So if in doubt, one should just call the chancery.

  4. Jerome Charles says:

    “Why is it if you pray the rosary, you’re considered conservative, and if you work for social justice, you’re considered liberal? Why aren’t you just considered Catholic?”

    The more I learn about Bishop Hying, the more excited I become to have him as our spiritual leader in Madison!

  5. Dan says:

    What is the formula in the Canon in the absence of a bishop? What do you currently say?

    [The priest simply omits that part, as he would if he were in Rome.]

  6. Phil says:

    I had always thought that the sacristy cards had the names of the Holy Father and the local ordinary in the ablative as they would be said in the Canon (papa nostro Francisco, et Antistite nostro Donaldo) or am I mistaken? Since there are some names which might be difficult to “Latinize” as it were, it seems helpful to have the name as the priest should use it at Mass.

    [There are other prayers in which their names require different cases. Hence, I left the names in the nominative. Priests (mainly this priest) will simply have to make the changes as they go.]

  7. AmandaL says:

    Fulton was actually a nickname. His baptismal name was Peter, and his confirmation name was John (thus the J in Fulton J. Sheen).

  8. cengime says:

    @Chris: The Congregation for Divine Worship considers the first name of Oscar Romero to be Ansgarius, Ansgarii. He shares this name with a 9th Century bishop and martyr whose Old High German name Ansgar is cognate with Old English Osgar, but etymologically unrelated to the Irish Oscar, so I find this translation highly questionable.

    Often in Latin, bizarre names from barbarian languages like Beelzebub or Joseph are simply treated as indeclinable, i.e., they have the nominative form Joseph, the accusative Joseph, the genitive Joseph

  9. fishonthehill says:

    As to travelling outside my Diocese; before smart phones I used to say “the Bishop of this place”, now when I travel, one my priest friends looks up the name of the Bishop, but I still have the habit, outside my diocese, of saying “the bishop of the this place” (usually getting eye rolls from my friends), I’m bad with names!

  10. I happen to have a copy of the old Lexicon Nominum Virorum et Mulierum (Lexicon of the names of men and women) done by famed Latinist Carl Egger, which I picked up lo those many years ago in Rome when I had no money and was, then, imprudent to have bought it at the time. It came in handy later when I was writing letters in Latin for the PCED.

    It’s helpful with various Celtic names, etc.

  11. ocsousn says:

    Here in Washington, DC, we currentlt have a Donald, soon to be repaced by a Wilton. Having found three options for Donald (Donaldus, Donivaldus, Dubnovaldus) I have used Donivaldus. To me is sounds more mellifluous. None of my sources give an equivalent of Wilton. Fr. Z, come to the aid the the faithful here in DC! Does the lerned Dr. Eggar have anything to say?

  12. JesusFreak84 says:

    Wait this is the soon-to-be-former Bishop of Gary? I should thank him for inviting the ICKSP in there…

  13. Fr. Kelly says:

    For those wondering about the Latin for Wilton, since there is not an obvious Latin cognate, it might help to be a little creative and trace it back through an older form of it “Willow Town” as in “town among the willows”, or “town of willow”, etc.
    How about oppidum populeus?

    That seems a little long for a name, but I don’t think I want, unilaterally to shorten it to Opie or some such.

  14. Grabski says:

    Does the white eagle on red field signify the Bishop is Polish American?

  15. That’s a good question. I don’t know for sure. I haven’t seen an explanation of his arms. It seems, however, that we have the Sacred Heart, a Marian rose, the background of the arms of Milwaukee and that Eagle, which could be a Polish indication or perhaps … Gospel of John?

  16. Grabski says:

    The red/white motif in the sinister bottom also could be Polish. And isn’t that red rose the same as The House of Lancaster? It’s similar to the rose on Manchester City FC’s badge. English (recusant) roots perhaps?

  17. It’s the background of the arms of the Archd. of Milwaukee, which is where Bp. Hying was a priest and aux. bp.

  18. acardnal says:

    There was an explanation of bishop Hying’s arms in today’s bulletin. The silver/white eagle represents St, John the Evangelist, the patron of the archdiocese of Milwaukee where Hying was ordained.

    The red rose represents both the Blessed Virgin Mary and St. Therese, the Little Flower.

    The other two quarters are as Fr. Z stated above.

  19. FranzJosf says:

    In the old Cathedral (1835) where I was once music director, there are, in various places, all the coats of arms of all the bishops. Many of the older bishops’ arms have at the top a miter and crozier. More recent bishops don’t have that. Were those things officially suppressed with Vatican II? Could a bishop still have them on his coat of arms? I’ve always wondered if there was legislation about that or if it just “isn’t done” anymore.

  20. Joe in Canada says:

    I do believe there is a twitter account for a certain Jasmine Martin SJ….

  21. PostCatholic says:

    No doubt a gremial veil and a set of vimpae with that heraldic achievement, too?

    [We already have the gremial for the “Madison” set and, technically, copes are better than vimpae. However, we will probably also have vimpae made, but not to match the “Madison” set. As it turns out, the trim used for the set is not longer produced. We had some squirreled away, so we can accomplish this (probably) final addition.]

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